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     John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.208.214.36 |
Anyone else watching this? I missed the first ('Spectre') but I've just seen the second - 'A Christmas Tale' which was actually rather splendid. Starting off like an episode of ITV kids' show 'Shadows' five 12 year olds find a woman dressed in a santa suit trapped in a pit in the woods. The ending, where the woman has become a psychopathic axe-wielding zombie chasing the kids around an abandoned fairground while Baccara's 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' blares on the soundtrack is frankly inspired. This one's so cool one of the kids has the poster for 'Tombs of the Blind Dead' in his bedroom. The series is called '6 Films to Keep You Awake' and the coordinating producer is none other than Ibanez Serrador, back doing horror after the classic 'Would You Kill A Child' back in the seventies, before he created the gameshow 3-2-1 and made so much money he never really needed to work again. Set the SkyPlus | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.156.247 |
Bollocks. Never knew this was on. What night(s), John? My pvr thingy has been set for the new series of Peep Show for over a week! Roll on friday! | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.208.214.36 |
BBC4 haven't advertised it at all, and there doesn't seem to be any sign of repeats at the moment. It's on Tuesdays at 10-30pm. Four more to go. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.156.247 |
Cheers for that, John - I'll set me gadget up... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.147.50.90 |
Might replay have it? Mine has all sorts of things. I have that Bacarra track on my ipod! I love it. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.147.50.90 |
Or you could just buy this; if you can find it. http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/6-films-to-keep-you-awake-recieves-english-subti tled-boxset-dvd-release/ | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.156.247 |
http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/films-keep-awake-dvds-p-13365.html http://www.dvdgo.com/product~catgid~0~list~0~prodid~123718~typeproduct~1~dvd~Pac k+Films+to+Keep+You+Awake.htm http://www.diabolikdvd.com/category/Horror-[sl]-Thriller/6-Films-to-Keep-You-Awake-DVD-(PAL-Region-2).html  You'll have to copy & paste the Diabolik DVD one. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.192.196 |
Looks good. My God, I remember 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie'! My parents still have that Baccara LP somewhere (along with similarly dubious ones by Boney M, Sailor, and the like). | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.156.247 |
"Boogie-voogie..." | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Don't forget Jaume Balaguero's 'To Let' is one tonight - apparently it's a cracker | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
on | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Thanks to you, Lord P, I've set this to remind me to watch it. Can't wait. I watched REC again last night, and it still scared me second time around. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.244.67 |
AW! I was going to throw a party. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
I really enjoyed TO LET last night - a terrific little chiller, half black comedy, half urban nightmare. Cracking stuff, actually. Lord P? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Lord P!!!!!!!! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 129.11.76.229 |
Oh, bugger. I was going to watch that as well. But I ended up crashing out to Air Force One, which was pants even with Oldman in it. | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Sadly I'm not going to be able to watch this until next week sometime  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.23.225.121 |
I've missed 'em all. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
I've finally caught an episode, the one about the little girl. This has been a wowser, and like the Dark Descent book has reminded me afresh why I loved horror to begin with. The whole thing was just so professional, treated with a respect and seriousness and skill with which we are actually nowadays unused to seeing, especially in horror but also elsewhere, other genres. There was a sense of the real meaning in 'adult' that is so painfully missing from our tv and film now. There was no irony, thank the gods, and it wasn't way gory and didn't need to be; it had a sense of menace all the way through, a sure-footedness that again, we see rarely. The atmosphere was astonishingly vivid, and I'm kicking myself for missing the previous eps. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Once again, Tony, I agree completely with what you say. This one - "A Real Friend" - was yet another little gem, and a fine antidote to self-reveremtial, too-knowing Hollywood horror. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 212.97.200.24 |
Does BBC 4 put episodes online? This sounds great. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
http://www.dvdgo.com/list_search.htm?pagetoshow=1 How much is this? | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
How much is what? The link doesn't show anything with a price on it... | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
Ah... From the links I posted near the top, if you mean this:- http://www.dvdgo.com/product~catgid~0~list~0~prodid~123718~typeproduct~1~dvd~Pac k+Films+to+Keep+You+Awake.htm ...it's around £48 or so. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
Jesus! That's a bit steep for six tv movies! | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.203.130.237 |
'A REAL FRIEND' was one of those stories where literally the last frame makse you want to watch it all over again. By the way Tony, it's a pleasure to hear you enthusing so. I also feel as if I'm rediscovering my love of horror at the moment, especially cinematic and televisual horror | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
Jesus! That's a bit steep for six tv movies! Possibly, but I guess it depends on quality - after all, look upon it as being six films, and it appears to be of slightly more value! | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
I live in such a remote area we can't even get Channel 5 | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Or full stops | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
I also feel as if I'm rediscovering my love of horror at the moment, especially cinematic and televisual horror Ditto, my good sir. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
It's been great John. I feel almost like I did in the late sixties, when watching a film I'll never know the name of had a hand appear and chase a room full of terrified ancient egyptians, an odd memory that could have been a dream for all I know. Watching and reading good horror always feels like an awakening of sorts; an important thing, something not negative at all or fearful but rather enlightening. Hey - Proto met and had a long chat with Kim Newman today, in a pub in Dublin. | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.203.130.135 |
Tony, I suspect those of us RCMB members with special abilities (ie a psychic link) are probably subconsciously sharing our rejuvenated love of things horrific, and good thing too! By the way that movie you mention - it's not 'Blood From The Mummy's Tomb', is it? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
'Blood From The Mummy's Tomb' is the film that immediately crossed my mind. The severed hand at the start - it rocked my world at an early age, too (part of a Fear on Friday double bill). | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
You know, I keep thinking it's that one and it must be, but my memory of it is from the late sixties on a black and white telly, around 68-69 (Jeez but mentioning those years chills me), and surely that was too early for it? Oh, those childhood memories. What's odd is so many films from then seemed like horror but weren't - Peyton Place, Rich Man Poor Man, things like that. | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.203.130.164 |
Blood from the Mummy's Tomb was released on a double bill in 1971 and received its first TV showing as part of a BBC2 Saturday night double bill about eight years later. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Ah rememeber the Friday night horror films on BBC2? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
Like I said: Fear on Friday. I lived for those Friday night horror double bills when I was a boy. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Me too!!!! When I was allowed to. Did you watch them in the dark, Zed? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
I watched them on my own. Once I wet the bed while watching my portable (tiny black and white) when a bloke locked a guy in a glass cabinet and turned him into a skeleton with this gas. Another time - a Cushing Frankenstein - I was convinced the monster was in the kitchen in the dark, and had to run to be leaving the telly on. But then Bride of Frankenstein made me cry, and horror suddenly seemed like the maddest, most fascinating genre on earth. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Although many people enjoy horror, there is something different about those who are really into it. I'm not talking about those who like sadism or even the frights and tension, I mean the dark tone and atmosphere. I obsessed about things like the backstory of the thing, where did he come from, what was the history of the area? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
Griff - I did watch them in the dark, and still do. I have a tendency to ritualise films: after dark, lights out, headphones on, no distractions. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Have you ever watched a horror film that really put the heeby jeebies up you, I mean really scared you in the dark, made you fear noises in your own house afterwards or when you have to walk home from your mates house? | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.100 |
Have you ever watched a horror film that really put the heeby jeebies up you? I mean really scared you in the dark, made you fear noises in your own house afterwards or when you have to walk home from your mates house? | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
Yep - when I first saw DON'T LOOK NOW at the cinema... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
Most recent might have been The Ring, the original - it just jarred on me like fingers down a blackboard. Oddly enough The Exorcist 'version you haven't seen before', too; the new bits made the film seem new, and the spider walk absolutely shook me to the core. And not all of Rec at all, but those last ten minutes. | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 90.208.48.116 |
In my area I have fond memories of the following: Friday night for me was the ATV horror season. They did Vincent Price one year, Christopher Lee another & Peter Cushing after that. Saturdays were the BBC2 double bills - 'Dracula Frankenstein & Friends', 'Monster Double Bill', 'Masters of Terror' and 'Horror Double Bill' - which was the best and last in 1979 which ran for 10 glorious weeks over the summer, starting with a double bill of Night of the Demon and The Tyburn Ghoul, and finishing with The Beast Must Die, with From Beyond the Grave in there as well as loads of others. My best summer ever. Like Zed I bloody lived for these. Who cared how shit or dull school / life / home was when you knew something called The Creeping Flesh would be on at 11pm on Friday, or that there was a double bill of The Fantastic Disappearing Man and The Man With X-Ray Eyes on Saturday night? My dad stayed up with me to watch that one but usually I was on my own. Which was also brilliant. Years later BBC1 did 'Dr Terror's Vault of Horror' with Guy Henry dressed up and introducing double bills like 'Beast with Five Fingers' and 'Horror Express'. But no - none of them actually scared me. I just thought they were all marvellous. Except ASYLUM - the first time that was on TV was a Bank Holiday Monday in early 1979 on the BBC and the Frozen Fear episode did me in. But that's about it. What's more scary is my detailed memory of all these things. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.20.239 |
I remember those days, too. I also remember ogling the Radio Times (I still have the Ghoul/NOTD one, John) with its lovely, scant list of films. Does anyone remember that they also used to show sci fi on a Wednesday on BBC2? InCredible Shrinking Man, the Time Machine? I loved those, too. And the Tarzans! I loved those, you know. They felt like horror's distant cousin. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
Gawd - you'll all be talking about DAKTARI soon! | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.236.13 |
FLIPPER, anyone? Er, how about VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA? | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.10.174.65 |
"Yep - when I first saw DON'T LOOK NOW at the cinema..." I haven't seen the film yet but I do have the short story - which I haven't read either. Which should I do first - film or book? | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
Hard to say, Griff - I saw the film long before I read the story. The film really did it for me, but then the narrative of the film is very close to the story, as I recall. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA Yes! Film was awful; tv series slightly less so in a camp 'sixties way... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
>>Have you ever watched a horror film that really put the heeby jeebies up you? I mean really scared you in the dark, made you fear noises in your own house afterwards or when you have to walk home from your mates house?<< Back in the day: The Thing The Evil Dead The Exorcist Halloween Black Christmas Rosemary's Baby Don't Look Now The Crazies (on a b&w portable in a holiday chalet) The Ghoul (in a creaky old cinema on a holiday camp; when we got back to the chalet we watched The Crazies on the b&w portable - best double bill ever) X: The Man with the X-ray Eyes Recently: The Blair Witch Project Session 9 Ringu Kairo Rec (last 10 mins) The Exorcist (still!) The Exorcist III | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 61.216.38.247 |
Anyone else remember the TV show Banana Splits? I think it must've been on in the late '60s or early '79s. It had these guys in goofy suits dancing around at the start (I remember there was an ape named Bingo) and then the show split up into different segments - one was about dinosaurs or giants or something. Anyone else see it as a kid? Or am I just imagining it? It's all very vague and distant after all these years... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
The Banana Splits was great - it also featured the cartoon The Arabian Nights. "Size of an elephant!" I have a Banana Splits T-shirt. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.10.174.65 |
I loved the theme tune. Tra lala la la la LA tra lala lalala la! They each did their thing in the intro. Then MADNESS! I just couldn't understand what followed, it was completely radio rental. I kept trying to remember their names and features from the intro. WAM! Then the show was over. | ||
| Griff (Griff) Username: Griff Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.10.174.65 |
As I wrote that I realised the show either played a formative part in my interest in horror or was the first indication of an indication that I would. Looking back there's the same facination and interest I associate with horror. Zoiks! | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 61.216.38.247 |
One banana two banana three banana four... I remember now - The Dickies did a version of the theme song! | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.48.60 |
"Fleegle, Bingo, Drooper and Snork"! | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 61.216.38.247 |
You remember it, Mick! Good man! I wonder if it's on DVD? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
Oi! You! Don't read this, watch that! (Er, the Spanish thing is on in ten or so mins) | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.249.146 |
Bugger, I forgot all about it! I was watching an episode of Nigel Kneale's Beasts on DVD. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.93.30.31 |
The Banana Splits: The sunglasses freaked me out. I completly forgot about them- repressed childhood! | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.186.173 |
Didn't they each wear some kind of helmet as well? It's so long ago I can't remember for sure. I just remember it being weird and that tra-la-la theme song... I wonder if it might actually spoil it to watch again something I only remember vaguely from childhood. Would it taint the memories, I wonder, make them feel less real (no matter how distant and nebulous)? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
It wasn't quite as good as last weeks; more realist. The sad thing is, the bits at the beginning were better, when there was no strong suggestion about a 'monster' (whether there was one or not). The story could have gone off in stranger directions at one point but it went where you expected, which is always a shame for me. Still miles better than our stuff, though - even drama stuff, let alone horror. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
Banana Splits formed my sense of horror too. Very odd. It had the look of something bigger, like a feature film, but you would only see them for a few seconds before they put a shit cartoon on. And they would move about so jerkily and exaggerated. TO YOUTUBE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0 Who can watch Mister Blobby or It's A Knockout and not feel a weird surreal chill? | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
And that rip off show Animal Kwackers? Brrr. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNk4fFn9FQ0&feature=related | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
"A very dirty, little star." | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYx9kGElJkM&feature=related BRRR! | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
Mary, Mungo and Midge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diDadrWW4_w&feature=related Imagine starting a story like the guy introduces their world. There really should be a major subgenre of horror dedicated to the mental scarring these shows caused. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_tVxvnEJko&feature=related Imagine if you lived with these people! | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/11/17141650_d3128be8f6.jpg?v=0 | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXP_TUZqsk | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.244.67 |
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sch/cn/v/v0/w295/100879_400_300.jpeg | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.176.240 |
I received the 6-disc box set of Six Films to Keep You Awake today, and have just watched and enjoyed the first film, La Habitacion Del Nino ('The Baby's Room'). It's so much better than the tepid, unintelligent fare that most of Masters of Horror consists of. Mick Garris and his pals should be forced to sit down and watch this and takes notes. I've just noticed that it's scheduled to be released as a 3-disc set in mid-August, for about $25.00 - less than half the price of the set I bought, in case anyone was thinking of getting it. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.153.186 |
The Baby's Room was the last one broadcast here, and very good it was too. | ||
| John_l_probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
I'll be getting it - even though the only one I missed was 'Spectre'. I hope they do another series. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
I thought TO LET was brilliant. I don't watch many films these days - so not much to compare it with. Strangely, all the films in this series reminded me vaguely of the 'House of Leaves' book. des | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
Ligotti has a mental illness. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.153.186 |
I thought TO LET was brilliant. I don't watch many films these days Yes, that was the first I saw of the series and it's still my favourite of the ones I caught (just)... | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
Albie, 'The House of Leaves' is not by Thomas Ligotti but by Mark Z. Danielewski. And whether Ligotti "has a mental illness" or not, it is deeply inappropriate, I feel, for someone to announce this publicly, baldly, glibly. Mick, I came away from that film thinking: Wow! I might be watching more films and see what I have been missing. :-) des | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
I think Albie's message might seem odd to the uninitiated; if you read the posts he made on the forum in question you'd see he was being quite sensitive. just to put you straight - this board can get a bit random! | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.188.132 |
Tony, Des was a participant in that very thread on the Ligotti forum... ;-) | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
Tony, My message was meant for those reading this Spanish film thread in isolation. des | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
BTW, "sensitive"?? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
Yes. To say suggesting a person has mental illness is an insult is to actually insult people with mental illness. It's like saying you can't bring up that a person has a broken leg. Albie was not suggesting Ligotti was any less of a person for perhaps suffering mental problems - just pointing it out. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
Sometimes - and I'm not suggesting this is the case here - a writer is so beloved of their fans that the fans cannot comprehend that views about them are quite humane, and that the writers might take offence. The fans have the feeling that the writers want them to protect them, or that they might frown on them if they don't support them. Sometimes it feels like yes, the writers do want this wall of support, and that any 'threat' or criticism of them must be shot down. Forum folk never think that maybe a writer wants to speak out for themselves, and even should. I think it was wrong Albie was banned, unless Ligotti himself decreed it. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
>>Albie, 'The House of Leaves' is not by Thomas Ligotti but by Mark Z. Danielewski. >>And whether Ligotti "has a mental illness" or not, it is deeply inappropriate, I feel, for someone to announce this publicly, baldly, glibly. I have a mental illness. That's a polite euphemism as far as I'm concerned...well, it's pretty much in the grey area of being appropiate. The man has said much worse about himself in public. "Without tranquilizers, I would exist in unending nightmare." If that isn't mental illness, what is? I could have called him mad, or crazy, or a lunatic, or Bucks Fizz, or Timothy Spall... And I know Ligotti didn't write House of leaves. You just need to get my sense of humour. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
I've come over all TTA board. Ugh! Say it won't happen! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
I'll have nowhere to go. Maybe a good thing. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
If Ramsey said to me "Without tranquilizers, I would exist in unending nightmare." I would have to wonder if he was mentally sound...or just trying to seem that way. I certainly wouldn't adhere to any philosophical teachings he came out with after that, especially anything like this... "Whenever I’ve wanted to write something, I’ve always been able to write it. The problem for me is not being unable to write, but not caring at all about writing . . . or anything else. In a state of anhedonia, everything is revealed in its true purposelessness and inanity. You can argue with my use of “true” in the last sentence. But you’d also have to argue with spiritual traditions such as Buddhism, which have no use for anything, let alone short stories. Buddhism isn’t my point of departure, but I’m in a similar place. I’m completely detached from anything, including myself and anyone around me. Doing anything just seems plain stupid, which in my opinion it ultimately is." He talks about Buddhism a lot. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A MISERABLE BUDDHIST? Nope. So he can't very well use that as an argument to back his mentally ill view of the world. Let's hope he stops being so Timothy Spall and writes some more brilliant stories.  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
Ack! You've quoted someone without permission. You'll be cut and pasted outta here. I wish boards felt more like rooms; we don't physically kick people out of rooms for raising issues not everyone agrees with. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
The words of Francis Bacon (another atheist)smash Ligotti's view to bits... "After all, life is nothing but a series of sensations, so one may as well try and make oneself extraordinary, extraordinary and brilliant, even if it means becoming a brilliant fool like me and having the kind of disastrous life that I have had. That is it." | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
You can legally quote anyone, Tone. So long as you don't use too much from one piece. I can legally post up an entire chapter from a book and no one could touch me. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
It's like this anti anxiety group I went to again; I got angry at them and realised I wasn't doing so bad, that gloomy is the way I am. In fact no - I'm not gloomy; I just get worried about different things to other folk. In a lot of ways I'm incredibly happy, and am equally as cheered by small things as big. I wish I could teach depressed folk this simplicity. Sorry - we were bashing forums. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
Maybe having the group itself is making you happy. Maybe when it stops all the lessons you learned will stop working. I sound like Ligotti now! Tone, did you get my email I just sent you? About the novel. Send it to me in rtf, in case I can't open the file you sent me. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
Me: BTW, Sensitive? Tony: yes ============= You don't know half of it, Tony! On-thread and off! des | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
All I know is that for around six years albie has been on this board, and while he's been 'tricky' now and then (to put it mildly) the bonuses of his being here have been huge. Anyone new here seems puzzled by him, and it always pains me to see new folk criticizing him, in what feels like his/our home. I know forums don't 'belong' to people but when you've used one for so long you start to feel it is an extension of your home. I think we are friendly here but new folk should be aware that there is some permanent furniture, and if it makes them uncomfortable they should try and fit round it, not vice-versa. Does that sound harsh? Sad thing is, I get the feeling Ramsey might prefer the way the board seems to be morphing; the new guys seem a bit bright, and a sense of order seems to be being put in order that there never has been. Has the TTA board folded or something? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
As I say, Tony, you don't know half of it. Believe me. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
He can get riled when he thinks people aren't listening, or when he thinks there' a level of pretension going on. Might these have been triggers? I'm not trying to excuse his behaviour, if there's been any other than the examples he posted btw. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
I think we should let it rest. He has posted a link to the thread elsewhere on this forum. What happened outside that thread is maybe 'just life' these days, maybe not. But I hear he has genuinely distressed a number of Ligotti fans not for his criticism of Ligotti, but for his direct treatment of them (in whatever manner justifiable or not). And I don't say that lightly. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.145.131.242 |
Fair enough. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.42.111 |
I have read some of these comments concerning Des/Albie with interest. Having been all too involved with a similar situation before, and regret to say, it still comes back to haunt me even now...guys....just don't...Let it become a big row. Its just not worth it. Its a negative energy, and NOBODY ever wins. I know, you won't listen, and a row will happen, but..Sigh... It just ain't worth it. gcw | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
I've not had a row with Albie, personally. And I do not intend to do so. And that includes on and off-thread. I'm just dismayed at events. Thanks for your concern, gcw. :-) des | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.42.111 |
Cool. GCW  | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 86.161.241.208 |
I'm used to the rough and tumble of forums having been a very active member of Shocklines for the last three or four years.  |