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Tony (Tony)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.155.203.110
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 07:22 pm:   

I really really like and rewatch often Psycho, but have realised, flaws and inferior technique and all, that I love Psycho 2 more.
Discuss.
I think it has something to do with the fact that Bates is very sympathetic in this one, even more a victim than Marion Crane was in the first. And it gives the characters time to breath, for us to get close to them.
And is it me, or have the Psychos been done ok by by the sequel people?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 89.19.83.234
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:46 am:   

I've watched II and III over the last two nights and so far they're entertaining, but really the first one, despite its flaws, is the only one with classic status I feel.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:56 am:   

That is true. But it made me wonder if classics are always close to us. It's just a thought.
I've just watched 3 - it's a bit wrong, the tone misjudged. It has it's moments but it feels like it didn't quite matter so much to those involved. And Bates lost the spark he had for the others.
4 actually looks ok - I've just given it a look. Yeah, Mike Garris directed, but I've always a curiosity about very bad things.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 01:02 am:   

Maybe the opening few seconds of 3 (which I love) made me see its flaws as deliberate choices. It feels canted to one side a bit. But yes, it does feel like a "product".
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 81.155.203.110
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 01:05 am:   

Basically, and somewhat dumbly, it just wasn't so damned cosy...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 01:23 am:   

Yeah. [SPOILER] And what kind of policeman doesn't notice someone is carrying a corpse's hand when he arrests them?
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted From: 218.168.178.26
Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 08:24 am:   

I like Psycho 2 (I like Meg Tilly in anything), but I don't think any of the sequels can match the original.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 05:53 pm:   

Psycho 2 was the last one that had any surprises in (unless you count the similarity between Elliot from ET and the young Norman Bates in IV).

Number 1 is by far the best. 3 was OK. the best thing about it was the tagline on the poster - Norman Bates is back to normal, but Mother's off her rocker. Again.

I've actually got the poster on the wall in my bedroom.

Number 4 isn't really worth bothering with for any reason more than a sense of completeness.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 86.170.178.214
Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 10:38 am:   

No! Me and Proto spent late last night texting/emailing one another while watching it and found it entirely beatiful, appropriate and affecting! If the film wasn't called Psycho 4 it would be being revered in the annals of horrordom, or rather at least nodded affectionately about in conversation. I thought it was the best written since the first (well, it was Stefano), as well as perhaps the most beautifully filmed of them all. It completely bowled me over, apart from a couple of musical plops in the finale, and a tad more running about than I would have liked (I wanted to hear Norman and the other person talk more). A completely overlooked gem of a film, it's discovery (for me and Proto) a reason to celebrate, especially as it must surely mean there's more jewellery out there.
I won't go into how parallel and painfully close it was to my own childhood, however...
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 12:11 pm:   

I can't remember much about Psycho IV other than Olivia Hussey was in it, and it was directed by (ahem) Mick 'master of horror' Garris (surely 'master of bland Stephen King adaptations' would be a more fitting title).
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 01:38 pm:   

And young Norman WAS Elliot!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 04:01 pm:   

I should warn everyone that it contains the most disappointing pair of breasts in screen history.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 04:02 pm:   

But yes, considering its title, its director and the fact it was made for TV it's surprisingly affecting in places.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 05:00 pm:   

...it must surely mean there's more jewellery out there.

I'm watching EXORCIST II: THE HERETIC for the very first time. I'm about 40 minutes in, and it's completely nonsensical - it's closer to Italian horror, like Fulci - but it's eerily compelling, hypnotizing even (literally), so far... will it ultimately produce gem-like qualities as well, I wonder?...
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 12:19 am:   

I liked Exorcist 2! I thought, once you stopped expecting 'Exorcist 2' you were ok. I was memsmerised by it.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 02:57 pm:   

The only remarkable thing about Psycho IV (IMHO) was the likeness of young Henry Thomas (Elliot) to the young Tony Perkins. Otherwise it was a mostly forgettable effort. There is one scene that I sort of half remember and I sort of remember liking seeing the Bates house painted up in bright colours and a young(ish) good looking woman playing Mrs bates.

I also remember thinking that they broke the golden rule of sequels and threw in details which contradicted established fact in the series. Norman Bates had killed only one person, his mother. After that Mother killed the rest of them. In this Norman kills Mother AND her boyfriend. He had never been mentioned before.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 03:01 pm:   

"And young Norman WAS Elliot!"

I did know that when I wrote the original comment. My point was that the only surprising thing about the film was how much he looked like Bates/Perkins.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 03:30 pm:   

When did you see it Weber?
I felt moments teetered on being a bit Heavenly Creatures, the intensity of their relationship. It wasn't a hugely sophisticated film by any means but it had *something*. Moments just really shone for me, and it was, in several places, quite beautiful.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 03:43 pm:   

A couple of years ago. It pops up on telly every now and then. It did precisely nothing for me except annoy me at breaking the series' continuity by inventing the boyfriend.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
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Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 03:57 pm:   

Did it invent the boyfriend? It's been a while since I've seen the film, but in Bloch's novel I'm pretty sure Norman murdered both of them.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 04:07 pm:   

I don't remember him being mentioned in the first film and I re-watched that fairly recently. If he had been mentioned I'm sure it would have stood out as an "Aha, that wasn't wrong" moment.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 89.19.88.137
Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 05:24 pm:   

In the first film, the sherriff's wife says that Norman discovered them (sotto voce) "in bed".
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.4.246.23
Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 04:10 am:   

Indeed, Tony, I got great enjoyment from EXORCIST II: THE HERETIC. It's more like an Italian horror film than American, and looking at it that way, I was able to "get it" - it did in the end make a kind of sense, and had a more novel-ish plot, than a movie-ish one: I'm always happy to give points, when they try forms other than the standard feature film's form - anything daring, and different, I do appreciate. Good fx, good story too, really. Hell, I've seen a LOT worse.

Fascinating tangent, are the locusts mentioned. Knowing little about them, really, I went scurrying for my Wikipedia - where I found - ever hear of the Rocky Mountain Locust? - what an amazing creature - er, creatures, this was! And what a thing of majesty and horror, it must have been to see, back in that year of 1874....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_locust
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Tony (Tony)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.170.178.214
Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 08:23 am:   

'One 1874 sighting famous to entomologists recorded a swarm 198,000 square miles (513,000 km≤) in estimated sizeógreater than the area of California'
Woah...

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