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     Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.234.98 |
News today, that this film is delayed until February 2010 release, and the studio's arguing the economy. Too bad, because this trailer looks really enticing... sure, it kinda tells you too much (imho)... and all trailers LOOK good, even if the movie's crap... but heck, this one sure reeled me in.... http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3052536345/ | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.148.248.62 |
I fancy this one too. I have great fondness for Scorsese's 'lesser' works. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.210.209.169 |
I'm currently reading the novel. Never read any Dennis Lehane before, but I'm enjoying it very much (although I'm told it's quite different to his usual work). | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.210.201 |
I stopped watching the trailer half way through. Not because it looked bad, but because it looked good. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.148.248.62 |
Fantastic isn't it? I've just this second watched it too! I love stuff like that. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.163.6.13 |
I'm sort of optimistic about this as well. The studios arguement about not pushing it for oscar season because of budget and that Leonardo was not available for PR etc is a strange one. Honestly I can't tell if it looks crap or if its going to be excellent. Same with Cameron's Avatar trailer which was just released. Crap or excellent? Sure some of the images were stunning, but in my opinion some of the imagry was just too smooth and therefore artificial looking. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.165.182 |
The book is absolutely brilliant. It is quite different from Lehane's other novels- Mystic River and the Kenzie & Gennaro- but they're still well worth reading too. This looks like hell of a good adaptation of the novel. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.215.52 |
I think the delay can only help SHUTTER ISLAND. Films need more time to gestate, as they had in the past. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.248.209 |
Although I love the trailer, you were I think very smart to stop watching it Proto - I now wish I had....  | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.210.209.169 |
The trailer does look a bit too spoilerific. Just read that The Wolfman has been delayed until February, too. Shaping up to be a good month. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.155.48.98 |
I think the world of the horror film lost out when Scorsese stuck to his gangsters. And Bloody hell! Feel like I've been hearing about Wolfman for years. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.183.160 |
I wasn't too impressed with the book but I'm mildly curious about the film. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.110.83.73 |
Lehane's weakest novel for me, I'm afraid. But maybe because of that it will turn out really well on screen. Read his books. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.210.209.169 |
Mark, I'm loving Shutter Island so far, so it sounds like I'll enjoy the rest of his work. What would you recommend as his best novel? | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.109.251.78 |
MYSTIC RIVER. There's some fine stories in CORONADO, his slim collecion. Of the Kenzie/Gennaro books, I'd go with A PRAYER FOR RAIN and DARKNESS, TAKE MY HAND. He's writing a new Kenzie/Gennaro book at the moment. I've yet to read his latest opus, though, which is a possibly too American for me, being something of a baseball novel. But I will read it, cos he's so damn good. . . | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.176.7.50 |
Forgot to say I read Shutter Island (and Michael Marshall's "Bad Things") on our hols last week - both very good, I thought. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 213.158.199.128 |
Yes, this does look good. Scorcese doing old school techniques to bring us a good dollop of old fashioned creepiness. Fantastic. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.171.129.69 |
The ending sucks. It's so obviously signposted in the novel to folk who read the kind of stuff we read. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 213.158.199.145 |
Good job I haven't read the book. Sometimes I pick up the endings to films quite early on. Other times I seem to switch off my radar and don't see the end coming at all, even when it's painfully obvious. I prefer the latter, even when the film's a dud. I get more enjoyment out of it that way. I once guessed the ending to the Sixth Sense simply when somebody told me about the plot of the film, and it was only me making a throwaway comment, not at all expecting it to be so blatant. They thought I'd seen the film and that I was trying to impress them. I explained to them in the genre it was only second to 'and it was all but a dream'. They didn't believe me anyway. Not that I don't like the movie. I think the Sixth Sense is much more than it's twist ending. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.171.129.72 |
Same with me. I've still not seen it. But someone said it's a ghost story about this kid who sees ghosts and this character played by Bruce Willis. Not hard to figure it out. As for Shutter Island, Gary Fry published a short story in the second issue of Fusing Horizons with the same corny twist as Lehane's novel. Lehane does it better. But yeah, same old... | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
I see Scorsese is quoted in the new Sight and Sound to the effect that he had Tourneur and Lewton in mind while making Shutter Island. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.176.126.207 |
Just read S&S myself - I have high hopes for this film, although we'll have to wait until February to see whether he's made high tea or a dog's dinner out of it. | ||
| Stephen Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
I take it that means he's going for psychological noir-horror then? I am intrigued... although Scorsese's last attempt to make a straight genre thriller - 'Cape Fear' - left me cold. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
Scorsese's incapable of making a cinematic dog's dinner, IMHO. I prefer his grand guignol version of CAPE FEAR to the superb original; although I'll take Mitchum over De Niro as Max Cady any day of the week. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
Sphen CAPE FEAR was far from a straight genre thriler - there were elements of horror, comedy, thriller and even fairytale in the mix. It has more in common with AFTER HOURS than any of his other films, IMHO. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.176.126.207 |
I prefer his grand guignol version of CAPE FEAR to the superb original; although I'll take Mitchum over De Niro as Max Cady any day of the week. Can't argue with any of that although I think Scorsese's CAPE FEAR works much better in a cinema than on DVD. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.176.126.207 |
Scorsese's incapable of making a cinematic dog's dinner, IMHO. So far that seems the case, but THE AGE OF INNOCENCE was the most recent film of his I saw which didn't leave me with a faint sense of disappointment, much as I've really loved some of his more recent stuff, although maybe it's me rather than the films themselves... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
Like every great director, Scorcese reached a peak, and since then he's floundered a bit. But Scorsese's floundering is better than the best work of many, IMHO. THE DEPARTED is a case in point: a superior remake of 3 incredible Chinese films, yet it still won him an Oscar. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
ps- he peaked with TAXI DRIVER. I mean, where the hell could he go after that? It's the greatest film ever made.  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
a superior remake of 3 incredible Chinese films Of course, I meant to type "inferior remake"...that'll be the whisky. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.179.207.45 |
I did wonder!  | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.253.82 |
I think THE DEPARTED highly overrated, myself. He seemed to have peaked at GOODFELLAS. I've seen it all, but have yet to see GANGS OF NEW YORK - I just feel like it will be a glorious and spectacular waste of my time. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.253.82 |
But SHUTTER ISLAND does look grand, I might add! | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.109.39.8 |
>>As for Shutter Island, Gary Fry published a short story in the second issue of Fusing Horizons with the same corny twist as Lehane's novel. Lehane does it better. But yeah, same old... Should just point out, Gary didn't write that particular story . . . | ||
| Stephen Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Saw 'Shutter Island' the other night and I still can't make up my mind about it... it was certainly a brave stylistic experiment from Martin Scorsese but I don't think it can be called wholly successful. Any genre fan worth his/her salt will have worked out the "twist" in the first five minutes but the film still managed to engage my attention throughout and did provide a few surprises - not least the aftermath of the twist which I didn't see coming... and believe I have read right. This is one that I suspect may get better with repeated viewings while the grandstanding direction, nicely judged performances and nerve-jangling soundtrack were all pretty much spot on. One major quibble I have was in the use of saturated colour which seemed at odds with the doom-laden atmosphere the plot demanded... I really believe this film would have been close to perfect if Scorsese had opted to shoot in black-and-white with noir chiarascuro effects. The flashbacks and hallucination sequences would have been all the more horrifying as a result instead of looking "not quite right" imo. I had similar feelings after Scorsese's other big OTT thriller 'Cape Fear' which I still see as a fascinating failure. 'Shutter Island' is much better and, even with its flaws, still the best new film I have seen in the cinema this year. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
Hmm - I LOVED the first three quarters, absolutely loved them, but then...we get three dream sequences in a row and it's grip has gone for me. It's so well crafted, so sumtpious and just-right it's quite tragic to me it didn't keep it up till the end. So frustrating. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I had the same problem, Tony, the "reality" sequences were brilliantly done but the "fantasy" sequences just didn't gel with the rest of the movie - black-and-white cinematography would have helped, I mean have you ever seen blood quite so red! I'm still reserving final judgement on this one as it has stayed with me and I believe further viewings may improve the overall effect. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.56 |
Arterial blood is bright red. venal blood is a much darker shade. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
This seemed to be blood pumping from every orifice, Weber! Scorsese got it right with 'The Daparted' but here the copious "fantasy" bloodletting just didn't sit easy with the sombre tone of the rest of the movie imo. See 'The Shining' for comparison... BTW have you seen 'Shutter Island' yet? I highly recommend it... and reserve the option to be proved completely wrong, as it was a very good movie. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
MAJOR SPOILERS Stephen - don't you think it would have worked better if he'd been sane, that the place was up to all those things he'd imagined? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
EVEN MORE MAJOR SPOILERS!!!! Tony - but was he insane? After all, the flashbacks only started morphing into waking hallucinations after he had been there - eating the food, drinking the water, smoking the cigarettes - for quite a while. Then again my own reading is that he WAS in there for "radical" treatment and I read the ending of the film as him committing deliberate suicide of the brain. He didn't want to remember what had happened, they elaborately shocked him into remembering and once he had accepted his own guilt he pretended not to have been cured so that they would be forced to lobotomise him and hence wipe out the memories and the guilt forever... actually, the more I think about 'Shutter Island' the better it gets! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
Oh yes! I'd not thought of that. It makes sense given his 'Good man' remark at the end. My only quibble is that lobotomies don't remove memories, just make a person placid... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
And what is a Shutter but something that blocks things out? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
Some scenes were amazing, weren't they? The scene with the rats, and the cave. I'd hoped we'd see that woman still in the cave at the end, you know. And that guy in the landrover! He was nuts! | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I agree, the sequence in the Landrover was the most creepily effective for me... reminded me how damn scary that actor was in 'Silence Of The Lambs'. What I really liked, though, is that the slim chance remains that our hero wasn't really mad and the whole conspiracy was real - this is never categorically ruled out - so the film can be read both ways. One to watch again and that I believe may grow in stature with time. Yep, my film of the year so far...} | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
Reading the bio of PKD recently this makes me realise this movie falls into the Dickian universe. Seen that way it works entirely. NON-SPOILER: Funny, but PKD has been well served in non-sf movies; Truman Show, Eternal Sunshine, Synecdoche New York, and now this. He should sue. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.133.88 |
This review seems to nail it; http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100217/REVIEWS/10021 9980 | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The best evocation of the Dickian universe I can recall seeing was last year's 'Moon'. |