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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.47
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 03:53 pm:   

For those in the UK, HMV currently has the box sets of seasons 1,2 and 3 of Alfred Hitchcock Presents for only 18 each - that's 50p an episode.

I picked up season 1 on saturday and very good it is too. I'll be grabbing seasons 2 and 3 ASAP.

Was it an AHP where a man tries to escape from prison by hiding in a coffin while another prisoner will dig him out later that night, unfortunately, when he's buried he starts to wonder who he's sharing the coffin with and it's the man who's supposed to rescue him...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:11 pm:   

>>Was it an AHP where a man tries to escape from prison by hiding in a coffin while another prisoner will dig him out later that night, unfortunately, when he's buried he starts to wonder who he's sharing the coffin with and it's the man who's supposed to rescue him...<<

Oooo, I remember that one! Lovely tension-building, claustrophobic atmosphere - scared the life out of me. I can't remember if it was an AHP though, but I've certainly enjoyed these over the years. I love the theme music too!
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   

Yes it is Weber!

I have Season 1 and thanks for telling me about this as been itching to watch the rest at an affordable price. Then again I get paid on Wed and already promised myself that this month (come hell or high water) I'm getting the BIG Laurel & Hardy box set.

Then again I also need Season 2 of 'The Twilight Zone' and Season 9 of 'The X Files' and Season 4 of 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' and Season 6 of 'Family Guy' and 'Psychoville' (if its been released) and Series 7 of 'Steptoe & Son' and, etc...

I worked out once that 3 portmanteau style movies could be assembled from the episodes that Hitchcock directed himself (with the same creative team responsible for 'The Wrong Man' and 'Psycho').

The original gloriously B&W 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents', 'The Twilight Zone', 'The Outer Limits' and (apparently) 'Boris Karloff's Thriller' are the absolute pinnacle of this type of TV Show. Never shall we see their like again...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:18 pm:   

I just watched The Birds last night for the first time. From the piecemeal way I'd seen it over the years I assumed it was lower-tier Hitchcock, but, obviously, it isn't. Only 46 years after its release I can confirm that it's good, like poem with claws.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   

like _a_ poem with claws.

I think my favourite shot in all of Hitchcock could now be the God's eye view of the burning gas station. And it has some of the best matte paintings I've ever seen.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   

>>The original gloriously B&W 'Alfred Hitchcock Presents', 'The Twilight Zone', 'The Outer Limits' and (apparently) 'Boris Karloff's Thriller' are the absolute pinnacle of this type of TV Show. Never shall we see their like again...<<

There have been some later attempts at these kinds of shows - eg. Nigel Kneale's "Beasts", "Chiller" from YTV (I think Steve Gallagher had quite a bit to do with that short-lived, but excellent, series), and, most recently, Mark Gatiss' resurrection of "Ghost Stories for Christmas".

I love anthology series like these, along with the portmanteau films from Amicus, etc. I guess it stems from the fact that I prefer short stories to novels. The same principle seems to apply when I'm watching film or TV!
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:20 pm:   

Thanks for the info, Weber - I have series 1 on region 1 DVD, so I'm looking to pick up seasons 2 & 3 as well.
Btw, Amazon are doing them even cheaper, seasons 1 & 2 are 16.68 each, and season 3 is 14.98.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:23 pm:   

Funny, I was just looking at buying that series yesterday. They're cheap on Play.com too.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:47 pm:   

I just watched The Birds last night for the first time.

Coincidentally, I just watched LIFEBOAT for the very first time.

...'sokay....
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   

I think the confined space makes Lifeboat a masterclass in blocking and framing.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:05 pm:   

It's just a tad too stagey and stale is all. To me.

But even a stale Hitchcock is better than most fresh fill-in-the-blanks.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   

Michael Bay's?
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 05:33 pm:   

I think Lifeboat is one of Hitchcock's most interesting films. I can't recall where I read it, but I'm sure one of the actresses had some connection to Arthur Machen. Of course, Machen also comes to mind (as an influence) when one thinks of The Birds.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 06:22 pm:   

'Lifeboat' is a great little exercise in claustrophobic suspense with a wonderful cast and script. Only Hitchcock could have made it so memorable though.

Are you thinking of the house besieged by swinefolk Huw?

As I read 'The House On The Borderland' I remember being struck by the similarities to 'I Am Legend' and 'Night Of The Living Dead'. So yeah, the climax of 'The Birds' (my fav Hitch movie) could fit in there too.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 07:28 pm:   

I've commissioned my father to do a painting of the ruin of the house on the borderland hanging precariously over the chasm (see "The Finding of the Manuscript" in Hodgson's novel). He's currently working on a canvas inspired by a favourite early Campbell story of mine. I've seen his preliminary charcoal studies of this and they sure look promising.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 09:43 pm:   

Hubert, they sound great. Any chance of seeing them when ther're done? Does he have a website, etc?
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 10:39 pm:   

Well on the basis of Weber's recommendation, and Mick's insightful Amazon observation, I've just ordered all three series for 50-00. And I've never seen any of them, but I'm sure they'll be worthy additions to the shelf that hold TZ and Outer Limits
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 12:35 am:   

As a fan of TZ and The Outer Limits, I'd say the Hitchcock set belongs on the shelf below, but only just.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 12:51 am:   

Next to the boxset of Dawson's Creek.



(Just kidding).
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 02:40 am:   

LIFEBOAT ended with a strange, disturbing "Let's kill them Nazis!" message, that made the enemy seem like rabid, unable-to-be-converted-so-exterminate-them-first frothing mad dogs... not saying they were necessarily wrong, just that it's not often you see such a naked war-mongering sentiment so blatantly expressed in a film....
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 02:47 am:   

As well, the lifeboaters are all - the enlisted men among them at least would be, today, tried in the Hague as - war criminals, for the brutal mad mob killing they enact (note: they don't know Walter Slezak pushed William Bendix overboard - they just think he didn't give him any water).
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:03 am:   

Stephen, Machen's novella (novelette?) The Terror is what I had in mind. It has a 'humans under attack from animals' theme found in several later works of fiction.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:06 am:   

I think you're expecting rather too much of the film-makers from a film released in January 1944 when London was aflame and France was draped in swastikas.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:24 am:   

Also, Hitch's mother and brother were in England at the time. His country was genuinely fighting for its very existence. Reading the film an an allegory for how countries deal with an aggressor in their midst removes the sting a bit, though, and there's be no excuse to make a film like that today...

...except for propaganda promoting a mob attack on Jeremy Clarkson, who can be considered a terrorist. He's repeatedly used the BBC to dismiss both the existence and effects of global warming. His contribution to the lethargy in dealing with the problem means that he will be partially responsible for the millions of sick and dead people and thousands of extinct species that will result from the what may be the most serious threat man has ever faced. I'm serious.

We ban incitement to hatred but use public money to help someone to promote behaviour that we know will cause disease, famine and mass extinction?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 06:15 am:   

I've never heard of Jeremy Clarkson. I must admit to being on the other side of the global warming issue than you, Proto, though I will readily admit to my extreme ignorance concerning the whole matter. There's but two things that I've never understood concerning the issue:

1) How do we know what a perfect global temperature is? It seems there's an argument from an assume a priori global "condition" that can't be established (btw: 99% of the species that have existed on planet Earth, have gone extinct already, and only a sliver of a sliver from man's doing);

2) How can a country reasonably do anything about global warming, when other, bigger, more powerful, more polluting countries refuse to do anything at all? If you see a giant behemoth spewing goo into the air, you have very little incentive to not spew a spittle's worth, if it's only going to do you ill. Unless you can force the bigger one to stop - isn't it best to "learn to love Big Brother"? Does anyone one really want to force an unwilling populace to go down in some ship of honor for honor's sake, when the jury seems to still be out anyway about man's role in global warming?....

(btw#2: Didn't some European global warming council or other fob out in some recent vote, "allowing" (ha!) the world to increase a few temperatures before worrying excessively?... didn't the staunch global warming community basically throw up their hands and kick the can down the road as it is?... I may not have the facts clear on what happened concerning this a few months back, but that's what I heard. We have swine flu problems anyway:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a8_2nrwYD1kM

...so global warming is hardly of pressing concern at the moment, I would think...?...)
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 08:41 am:   

Hubert, they sound great. Any chance of seeing them when they're done? Does he have a website, etc?

No website, I'm afraid, but I'll certainly show you the result when they're done!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:12 am:   

"I must admit to being on the other side of the global warming issue than you, Proto"
I'm on the side of established scientific fact.


"btw: 99% of the species that have existed on planet Earth, have gone extinct already"
But not at the same time.


"when the jury seems to still be out anyway about man's role in global warming?"
Christ.


"We have swine flu problems anyway...so global warming is hardly of pressing concern at the moment, I would think"
Please tell me you're teasing me. I was going to pull out some URls for you, but you're a big boy and it's your responsibility to educate yourself. I don't mean this to be rude, but the level of ignorance you've demonstrated on the issue precludes you from having an opinion on it. Everyone's entitled to their own well-informed opinion.

Oh, okay, just one:
"Bush Administration: global warming is real and a threat to the U.S. economy"(http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0530-bush.html)
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:15 am:   

"so global warming is hardly of pressing concern at the moment, I would think...?"

Wow. Just, wow.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 12:28 pm:   

I would think global warming is about as pressing a problem as can be imagined.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 12:54 pm:   

Proto - I hate Jeremy Clarkson too, and I'm right with you on how pressing a problem global warming is. The most serious problem the world's ever faced, I reckon, which is probably why so many people (and countries) just stick their heads in the sand and ignore it. The consequences are so unimaginable that we just don't want to imagine them.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:23 pm:   

Huw, Machen's 'The Terror' is a long novella or a short novel. A novelette is way shorter.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:25 pm:   

Proto, you've said more or less what I would say about global warming, much more clearly and effectively than I could.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:29 pm:   

Thanks, Joel - I keep getting the two mixed up!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:33 pm:   

I think my favourite shot in all of Hitchcock could now be the God's eye view of the burning gas station.

Possible my favourite shot in any film ever, Proto. It's wonderful.

Bugger it: I'm rewatching The Birds tonight, just as a little break from the Coffin Joe box set.

Jeremy Clarkson is a knob. He's like someone's embarassing aging dad, trying to wear clothes that were never in fashion (although he believes that they're still current) and a bad hairstyle. His views are juvenile and ill-thought-out, and he's the perfect avatar for the state of British television programming.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:35 pm:   

Btw, I think the term Global Warming adds to the public lethargy on this issue - it's too cosy. Climate Change is better, but not scary enough.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:48 pm:   

The End of the World might stick.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:49 pm:   

That's the problem with the term Global Warming, though: people see it as it getting a bit warmer. You'd be amazed at how many people seem to think it's a good thing rather than an apocolyptic one. Fucking idiots.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:53 pm:   

'Worldly Snugness'?
I've read that if people get too scared by this whole idea they'll freeze and do nothing to stop it, like buns (?) in a headlight. I can sort of get that.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   

I told you I was ignorant on the facts. Still, I've yet to hear this question answered:

-- Why the hell should anyone care, when big bad scary gigantic huge overwhelming powerful countries have essentially said they're going to do dick-all about it? Right? Or am I wrong here too - is EVERY SINGLE GROSS OFFENDER on board to FIX the problem?...

If every single big powerful offender is on board to FIX the problem RIGHT NOW - then you or I, our opinions are moot, because it's being fixed. Right?

And there's dick-all you or I can do if they're not - except writhe impotently in our seats.

...As I see it, if you're being held prisoner and slowly poisoned and there's naught you can do about it but pray - then pray at night, and live it up like no one's business during the day. What's the flaw in this approach? Too giddy?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:26 pm:   

Or are we supposed to care anyway, even when we've not a damn thing we can do about something?

If so - I'm on board. I care deeply, if the countries of the world are polluting and globally-warming and destroying the environment. It sucks, and it's awful, and it's heartbreaking.

There. Now I'm just as caring as everyone else.

Or do I have to care for a longer period of time? Do certain things? Read certain books? Think certain thoughts for longer periods of time and more intensely?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   

Which species have gone extinct so far due to global warming? Is there a running list, that can be traced back indelibly to global warming as the culprit?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:54 pm:   

Again: what is Earth's perfect temperature? How do we know this?

Or is it not about temperature? I seem to get the impression, from the vitriol I've culled, that I've been wrong it's about temperature even, anymore....

What was that last thing everyone used to worry about again?... I can't remember now, it's been so long... the world got 100% peaceful since we would all sit around worrying about it back in the good old days... everyone was worried it would wipe out the planet it mere moments, instant death, destruction, horrors on an unimaginable scale... some say this horror could still be unleashed at the flick of a whim, and still wipe out the planet! (shudder)... but Earth got SO peaceful and SO loving, that no one had to worry about it anymore, let's see, what was it again... oh yes, it was

TOTAL NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION.

Which I guess I can now put up with world pandemics as not worth my time worrying about anymore? Or - what's the worry levels on all these? I do so want to worry the right way, after all....
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:20 pm:   

I don't think worrying about it is going to do any good - we need ACTION (from governments), not worry. You're right, Craig, there's sod all we can do about it if the largest polluters won't do anything about it. As individuals, we can only do so much to save energy, etc.

Perhaps it's fate anyway? After all, the dinosaurs managed nicely before they were wiped out by the Ice Age or what ever it was that wiped them out. Mammals (including humans) are bound to go the same way eventually, and perhaps something else (other than humans) will become the dominant creature on the planet?

My guess (and this is where I probably start to sound completely crazy) is that it will be insects of some kind, or maybe sea-dwelling creatures since most of the Earth will be sea (if not desert) by that time.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:21 pm:   

Stephen, Machen's novella (novelette?) The Terror is what I had in mind. It has a 'humans under attack from animals' theme found in several later works of fiction.

Doh and double doh... I always get Machen and Hodgson mixed up in my mind. Maybe because they were the two greatest horror-fantasists of their era and literally changed the boundaries of supernatural fiction between them.

M.R. James may have been the guy who perfected the Victorian tradition but they were the innovators who moved it on to a whole new arena. Lovecraft was their James imho.

Must read 'The Terror'...
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:39 pm:   

I agree with you, Caroline - there's sod-all we can do.

Or, we could organize marches, and protests, and groups that FORCE themselves into the public eye CONSTANTLY, like they did over nuclear annihilation in the 60's/70's/even 80's... these people were honorable in their convictions, because they didn't just beat people over the head with it, they went out and did their utmost to change things, even when it all seemed futile... they weren't elitist fucking hypocrites in armchairs, they were real activists....

We need a Czar of Caring here in the U.S. - in the U.K., it could be a Minister of Caring. Since no one would ever DEIGN to live a 100% "green" lifestyle - no, an LCD screen is too much fun to watch "True Blood" on - we can't have the "fucking hypocrites" label plastered over us - se we'll have to measure it in "Caring Units": depending on how many Caring Units you've accumulated, you get to walk around thinking your shit doesn't stink.

So I'm going to go out today and buy a little azalea tree from Osh, and bring it home, and replant it outside. I'm going to green-up my environment. So, according to my Caring Offset Units, how long do I get to not give a shit about global warming?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   

Add up the emissions from every car on the planet and you have just 2% of the greenhouse gas emissions. Why the f*** should we be priced out of our hard earned cars onto overcrowded, dirty, dangerous (I've seen at least three fights started by complete idiots on buses and innumerable stones and bricks thrown through the windows by passing thugs), unreliable and just generally shit public transport - just so that out country can achieve a miniscule drop in it's own emissions. If everyone in britain left their cars tomorrow two things would happen. The public transport system would completely collapse because it can't cope with the numbers using it now and - 2 - the emissions for the world would drop by about 1% of the 2% that cars produce globally (i.e. about 0.02%). It really isn't the right tack to be taking on the issue. We as individuals can do jack shit. Get China and the States to reduce the emissions from their industries and we might see some change start.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:46 pm:   

But then if everyone thinks "there's sod all I can do", we're well and truly doomed. On the other hand, if every individual went out and DID something about it, there might be a chance. But that's not going to happen, is it, because humans are so used to their cosy lifestyle - fuel-guzzling cars, and so on - there's no way everyone's going to change. Or can we ...
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:47 pm:   

Indulge me all - the silence is deafening, anyway....

So the United States government (not the people in it: the philosophy, etc., that still runs the State Department, etc.) is an evil malicious war-mongering war-fomenting pig. And this grunting malicious evil-spreading pig, has nuclear weapons at its fingertips. (This is just the U.S.: other evil war-mongering countries have nuclear weapons at their fingertips - and forget global-warming, this is destruction you can BELIEVE IN.)

... But, that's on the back-burner now: now, we're supposed to worry about the world getting warmer over centuries, well past our lifetimes, and MAYBE damaging the environment....

Okay.

Let's analogize: It's March, and a malicious psychotic crazed killer has just moved onto the block - he's proved himself to be murderous numerous times in the past, countless times. It's come to light that he's just accumulated an entire arsenal of weaponry: bombs, AKs, you name it.

It has also come to light that it might be a tad colder come next January. And there might be a shortage of heating oil by then.

From now on, worry about THAT, just ignore the psychotic loading his gun in his front yard... 'cause (AAAUGH!) it might be a cold winter, you idiots!!!!
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.238.34
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   

Caroline, I agree with you again - we should all do what we have to do, and I have no problem with that. I admire that. I honor that. I think it's a bit of humanity in a sea of indifference. It's heartening.

And Weber... Christ, do I HAVE to agree with you, too?...
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.11
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:04 pm:   

"But then if everyone thinks "there's sod all I can do", we're well and truly doomed. On the other hand, if every individual went out and DID something about it, there might be a chance. But that's not going to happen, is it, because humans are so used to their cosy lifestyle - fuel-guzzling cars, and so on - there's no way everyone's going to change. Or can we ..."

Trying to force all the little people who are responsible for miniscule amounts of greenhouse gas is pointless when the big players don't give a damn.

I don't drive a gas guzzling car, I drive a 1L vauxhall Corsa and currently I walk to work because it's only a mile. But without my car, I wouldn't be able to do any of my St John Ambulance or any of my other voluntary work. When I was without a car for a month a couple of years back, it took an hour and a half to get to my most regular St John event on public transport - that takes me 20 minutes in the car. Given that that event alweays finishes between 11:00pm and midnight - that's really not an event I can cover without a car. Especially seeing as there's a strong chance of missing the last bus home so having to walk through Manchester and Salford (in my St John uniform which looks like a police uniform and can attract unwanted attention from drunken idiots) in the early hours is a strong possibility.

When people tell me "You don't really need my car - it's not an essential, it's a luxury " I generally tell them to fuck off. If they don't want their car, I'll have it.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.211.188
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   

If I could, I would seal this thread into a pod and fire it into the Sun to prevent further contamination from willful idiocy.

Craig will no doubt chose to interpret my refusal to entertain his laziness as some sort of victory. Why let mere facts slow you down?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.211.188
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:21 pm:   

"I told you I was ignorant on the facts."

Then stop having opinions on them.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.11
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:21 pm:   

That last sentence of mine was supposed to read

"When people tell me "You don't really need YOUR car etc"

I agree that there may well be a problem with global warming but me needing an extra 3 hours to get anywhere really isn't going to help anything.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.26.90.161
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:32 pm:   

Steady on, guys. OK?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.11
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 05:51 pm:   

"And Weber... Christ, do I HAVE to agree with you, too?... "

I think I've explained this before Craig. You are allowed to agree with me, that just shows some slight maturation and that you brain is starting to work correctly. Who klnows, you might pass the Turing test someday.

I, on the other hand, will never agree with you except on subjects where you have come round to my way of thinking.

I hope that settles that one.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 06:16 pm:   

>>Steady on, guys. OK?<<

Yep, we're getting a bit heated here (ooops, sorry!)

Just to clarify, I'm no saint. I have a car (albeit a little Micra) and hubby has a car. We both work in different places at different times of the day. I teach evening classes, and there's no way I'm going to use public transport to get back home on my own at that time of night (I was on a train from Manchester to Leeds on a Saturday night on my own a couple of years ago - boy was that scary!).

I'm just making the point (or trying to) that I think it's unrealistic to expect every individual to do their bit, or, indeed, every government. We're humans after all; we like to think we're invincible! I reckon the world would be much better if insects and fish were the dominant creatures anyway.

Now, come on, group hug everyone. I only do this so that I can get a virtual hug from you young fellas.


Anyway, what would Hickcock think of the turn this thread - originally in his name - has taken?
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 06:19 pm:   

That was meant to read "Hitchcock" - where on earth did "Hickcock" come from?

I can't stop giggling now ...
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.15.145
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:05 pm:   

"Master, I'm thinking of becoming a Communist, but I know nothing about it - what should I do?"
"Here: read the collected works of Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto by Marx & Engels, and the collected writings of Vladimir Lenin, and also watch Eisenstein's OCTOBER. When you're all done, then make up your mind."
"Got it. But I've heard --"
"Nah-uh. You've just said you know nothing about it - therefore, you are not entitled to an opinion, until you read and watch what I want you to read and watch."
"Okay, got it... it's too much work, can I just BE a Communist like you, and agree with everything you have to say?"
"Sure - THAT uninformed opinion, is perfectly fine with me."
"So are all the people that agree with you as well-informed as you are, or do they just say they agree with you, Master?
"I don't know and I don't care - I only ruthlessly check out the credentials of those who don't agree with me - ignorants like you who are on my side, are quite useful idiots, as far as I'm concerned...."
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.211.188
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:10 pm:   

"I only ruthlessly check out the credentials of those who don't agree with me"

If someone makes a statement that violates established scientific fact, then yes, I am more sceptical sceptical of their opionions than someone who doesn't.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.15.145
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:11 pm:   

I'm lost on the rules here - so article on Bush/global warming trumps article on swine flu pandemic fears?

Which articles are okay to get panicked about, and which are not?

It's so confusing out here, when you're ignorant and all, I mean....
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.15.145
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:12 pm:   

Weber, I'm glad you think I'm coming around to your way of thinking - it means my mind-control master plan is working.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.15.145
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:16 pm:   

If I could, I would seal this thread into a pod and fire it into the Sun to prevent further contamination from willful idiocy.

So I didn't love LIFEBOAT - so sue me!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.211.188
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:16 pm:   

I wouldn't worry about any of it, if I were you.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.5.228
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 09:10 pm:   

Trust me, I don't.

Worry in one hand, no worry in the other, weighs about the same....
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.12.129.226
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:24 pm:   

Swine flu BTW is no more dangerous than normal flu.

Speaking of swine flu, how are you Mr Bestwick? Do you want to meet for those bevvies?
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.246.159
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   

What's "Swine flu BTW"? Must be the Brit version.

Why do they seem to want us to panic about it then, Weber?...
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.12.129.226
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:38 pm:   

Because they do. Fear controls the populous.

BTW = By the way - you ignorant fool.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.12.129.226
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:38 pm:   

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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.246.159
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:40 pm:   

The "theys" are a powerful organization - the theys seem to control everything!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.12.129.226
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   

That's right. they do control us, or try to. If they fail to control you they will try to dispose of you instead. Not that I'm trying to make you paranoid or anything...
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.246.159
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:53 pm:   

Where did that phrase originate from: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"? I've always liked that one....
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 217.37.199.45
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:01 pm:   

It originated from reality.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.246.159
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:10 pm:   

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