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Tony (Tony)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.149.124
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:29 pm:   

Big Brother's been axed.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:38 pm:   

Another series next Summer though. BB 11.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted From: 91.143.178.131
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 02:41 pm:   

YES. WOHOOOOOOO! AMEN!

Sorry, not a fan.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:15 pm:   

See my BB internet commentary (from 2004) linked from and situated here:
http://www.ttapress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=182

I'm actually going to be in BB 11.
des
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:55 pm:   

You're really going to be a contestant on it Des? If that's the case I shall actually watch it. Otherwise it's not really my thing. Seems too much to be this culture of cruelty telly that's so popular now.

J
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Mark West (Mark_west)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:56 pm:   

About time too, though knowing it'll be the last year, can you imagine the wannabees and never-will-be's that'll end up in next years house (excluding your good self of course, Des)?
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   

Tell you what, if Des WAS going to be in it I'd not miss an episode, and it'd be the first time I'd ever seen it too...
Des, please please don't say you're kidding!
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:25 pm:   

Des Lewis in Big Brother could be the greatest telly in telly history. Please let it be true.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:30 pm:   

IMHO Big Brother is the biggest pile of steaming turd ever to pollute the airwaves. It is the prime example of how much TV has dumbed dowen when someone like Jade "ignorant fat ugly stupid racist bigot" Goody can be held up as a role model.

Just think, if you combine the IQ's of all the worms that are eating her, she's more intelligent now than when she was alive.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:34 pm:   

Those of us with superior intelligence, of course, demonstrate it by making comments like that.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:38 pm:   

Indeed, even for Weber, that was a biting comment - filled with bile - it didn't digest well with me.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 86.12.129.226
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:45 pm:   

That's quite mild by the standards of what I actually think of the Daily Star's version of the Express' Princess Di. I could go further but what shreds of decency I'm trying to cling to prevent me.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 04:51 pm:   

I could go further but what shreds of decency I'm trying to cling to prevent me.

The worm has turned....
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:10 pm:   

Tell me I'm not dreaming... is the start of a new Renaissance?

Will 'The Sun' be next and headlines about who Jordan is shagging NOW be relegated to the dustbin of history?

Just woke up...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:16 pm:   

Poor WeberCraig. One day he'll learn the difference between good attention and bad attention.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:18 pm:   

Don't be naive, people (by which I mean those who don't think it's ok to mock those who have recently died young from cancer) -- BB is merely resting until it makes a comeback, like Doctor Who. And TB.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:30 pm:   

I hope that wasn't a disparaging comment about 'Doctor Who' Proto?

If I had to pick my favourite TV Show of all time that had the most profound effect on my life it would be that one. I enjoy the revival but it ain't a patch on the Pertwee-Baker years of the 70s. Televisual bliss...
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:39 pm:   

Yeah, I love WHO too. The new one as well.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:40 pm:   

I love WHO and was lucky enough to grow up in the Tom Baker era (though the new one does need a rest now). Just picking up on Thomas Harris's point that the same God made both swans and typhoid. And CraigWeber.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:40 pm:   

Hartnell was the best era.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:42 pm:   

To each their own - my favourite was Troughton.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:44 pm:   

Nay, the pre-Hartnell doctor embodied the platinum era of the show. They were broadcast in morse, from one room to another.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 05:55 pm:   

Pre-Hartnell Doctor?
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:01 pm:   

Tin cans at each end of a taut string.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:06 pm:   

Wow, I've gone to heaven! A Doctor Who thread on the RCMB! OK, I know it didn't start out as a Doctor Who thread, but who cares.

Now, did I ever tell any of you that I'm a card-carrying member of the Doctor Who Autograph Collectors' Club? And we have a DWACC convention planned for October? And would anyone like to read the interview I did with Dick Mills of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop?

Best Doctor? Well, I know he's not everyone's favourite (far from it) but I have a soft spot for Sylvester McCoy - I even named my cat after him!
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:07 pm:   

Hey, Des - are you really going to be in the next BB? I think I'd watch it too if you were.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:14 pm:   

You could always claim the cat was named after the Warner Bros. cartoon Sylvester if that was less embarrasing...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:18 pm:   

.. and I bet you didn't know that Sylvester McCoy goes around the conventions carrying his photos for signature and sale in a battered old case with Tweety Pie on the front?
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:18 pm:   

Did you know that Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:27 pm:   

And "Rot Doc Who".
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:28 pm:   

Weber - that was one of the worst things I've ever read. I hate death humour.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:13 pm:   

Me too, Tony.

Caroline, when I was around seven or eight, my mum took me to a Jon Pertwee Doctor Who signing in a big park somewhere (I forget where exactly). I got to sit inside 'Bessie' with Jon Pertwee and came out with his autograph. I was the happiest kid in the world that day, I reckon!

Er, you can probably guess who my favourite Doctor is (Patrick Troughton is close behind at number 2).
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:20 pm:   

... but somehow I got castigated alongside....

*sigh* - you can't win for losing in this world.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:26 pm:   

I don't think you're going to get very far if you're relying on everyone else losing the ability to read.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 09:27 pm:   

It is possible to use gallow's humor as one gently chides another - I know it, because I've read it - oh yeah, up there above.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 09:28 pm:   

>>Caroline, when I was around seven or eight, my mum took me to a Jon Pertwee Doctor Who signing in a big park somewhere (I forget where exactly). I got to sit inside 'Bessie' with Jon Pertwee and came out with his autograph. I was the happiest kid in the world that day, I reckon!<<

I know just what you mean, Huw. The problem is, someone my age should have grown out of it by now!

I've just realised, any credibility I ever had on this forum has probably been blown sky-high now you all know I'm an 'anorak'.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 09:52 pm:   

One of us! One of us!
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:13 pm:   

My favourite Doctor was Jon Pertwee, but you knew that didn't you - I mean, the velvet jacket, the pretty assistants, even the initials......
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:43 pm:   

Does anyone have a favourite Doctor that doesn't coincide with their formative years growing up?
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 11:46 pm:   

No, I was 65 when Hartnell was doing it.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:17 am:   

>>Does anyone have a favourite Doctor that doesn't coincide with their formative years growing up?<<

Just how young do you think I am, Proto? McCoy was in the eighties, and I was way past my formative years then. That was actually my second childhood (I'm now onto my third or fourth childhood). My first Doctor was Patrick Troughton. Well, I'd seen a few Hartnell's, but I found him a bit scary as I was at such a tender age then. Troughton was the one who really got me into it. Yetis, daleks, ice warriors, cybermen - they scared me silly and I loved it!
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:22 am:   

Well, since there are obviously Doctor Who fans here, I can't resist giving you this link to my interview with Dick Mills:
http://nzdwfc.tetrap.com/dickmills.html

There's another one about the monster-makers of Doc Who on the BFS site if anyone wants to see it?
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:44 am:   

Jon Pertwee will always be my favourite Doctor Who and the series in which he was exiled on Earth with the TARDIS out of commission and the gorgeous mini-skirted Jo Grant as his assistant while working for the Brigadier and UNIT was the absolute pinnacle of the show's history for me.

Favourite story... probably 'The Green Death' or maybe 'The Claws Of Axos' or 'The Sea Devils' or... an ambition is to get all the Pertwee DVDs and watch them one a week at tea-time on a Saturday with the cliffhangers re-experienced all over again.

The biggest flaw in the revival if you ask me is the lack of continuing storylines and the cliffhanger endings.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:37 pm:   

I think that continuing storylines can be a real curse in an SF show. I like the fact that new WHO isn't tied down with continuity. When they did that in Davidson era and more obviously in the Mccoy and Colin Baker era it was utterly absurd. Trial of a Timelord was particularly woeful
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:52 pm:   

I stuck with 'Doctor Who' (painfully) right up to the end of the Colin Baker era but I'm afraid Sylvester McCoy and Bonnie 'bloody' Langford killed it stone dead for me!

I've really enjoyed any of the Hartnell and Troughton stories I've seen. Also let us not forget Peter Cushing's two entertaining stints in the role.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 12:55 pm:   

By continuing stories I mean one story told over 4 or 6 half hour episodes with a memorable cliffhanger at the end of each one followed by THAT music.

The single biggest thing I miss most in the otherwise inspired revival.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:18 pm:   

>>By continuing stories I mean one story told over 4 or 6 half hour episodes with a memorable cliffhanger at the end of each one followed by THAT music.

The single biggest thing I miss most in the otherwise inspired revival.<<

Me too, Stephen. Although I think some bits of New Who are more inspired than others.

I agree with you about Bonnie Langford - if Mel hadn't been replaced by Ace so soon in the McCoy era I might not have stuck with it either. But the Eighth Doc and Ace have to be the best Doctor/companion combination ever. People forget, when they go on about Rose being the first independent female companion in Doc Who, that Ace got there first.

But I must admit, I love different stories from all eras of Doc Who. Although I think they lost it with Davison and Colin Baker, on rewatching some of those, I've found great stories in there. And Colin Baker is the most lovely chap when it comes to doing things for fans and for his special charity (research into cot death).
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:44 pm:   

Oh I think Baker is good enough as an actor and a fine human being, he was just handed something of a shit pie in the Nathan Turner era.
Davidson is one of my favourites, although having three companions on the go at once was a bit of a mistake. And I do really like Ace as a companion. Especially like the stories Ghost Light and The Happiness Patrol from the McCoy era. Rarely has television been so experimental and inventive since.
The thing that annoys me about the revival (and it's about the only thing) is the rushed credits and music at the end of each episode. Mind you, that happens in all shows now with continuity announcers talking over the end of everything.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:57 pm:   

Jon, they have to talk over the end of everything. So people don't realise it's the end of everything.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 03:26 pm:   

>>Davidson is one of my favourites, although having three companions on the go at once was a bit of a mistake. <<

I always thought there was something strange going on in the TARDIS there. I mean, he had two girls who went in fully clothed and, after some time in the TARDIS, were scantily clad and dropping their skirts at every opportunity. Not to mention an overgrown schoolboy and a very pretty young boy in Adric. I reckon the Fifth Doctor was a bit of a pervert to be honest!

(only kidding - BTW did I tell you about the time I ran into Peter Davison in the ladies loo at a convention?)
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 03:49 pm:   

My earliest memory of being terrified rigid (to the point of causing bad dreams for weeks much to my parents consternation) was at the horned devil in the Daemons story with Jon Pertwee. It was broadcast May-June 1971 when I was six years old.

Also at that time I remember thinking Roger Delgado was the most evil man who had ever lived. In fact I still consider him the most memorable villain TV has ever produced. I'm talking myself into starting to buy those DVDs... oh dear.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 03:49 pm:   

Tell you who has aged very well from that era, Nicola Bryant. In the latest Doctor Who Magazine she's looking very nice indeed. Always strikes me as a very lovely person too.
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Stu (Stu)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   

Ah, Nicola Bryant. *drools*

I caught an old episode of Randall and Hopkirk the other day. Guest-starred not only Nicholas Courtney and Roger Delgado but also Brian Blessesd who ended up marrying Nicola Bryant's character in Trial of a Timelord.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 04:20 pm:   

And now I have that scene from Trial in my head. Noooooooooo! VAROONI!

Actually, as shite as that story is, there's some very nice lighting going on. This in an era of WHO when everything is usually lit to within an inch of its life.

Watched Enlightenment for the first time last night. Despite some panto villain posturing from Lynda Baron it has some truly lovely moments and the script is just superb.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 04:23 pm:   

Oh God yes, the immortal Peri <sigh>

Many's the fantasy... in fact she kept me watching almost single handed through the show's painful decline.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 05:52 pm:   

"Poor WeberCraig. One day he'll learn the difference between good attention and bad attention"

You really do go out of your way to try to be patronising don't you Proto.

I had no respect for that vile woman while she was alive, it would be hypocritical of me to show her any respect just because she died from the same illness that thousands of other women die from - but without a sick and tacky, vulgar three ring publicity circus ramming every stage of her illness down our throats.

IMHO the rat fleas of 1665 had a more positive effect on society than Big Brother has ever had. And Jade personified that whole turgid tedious moronic drivel more than anyone.

Apologies for interrupting what had turned into a pleasant Dr Who thread

My favourite Doctor is still Tom Baker - although I do think David tennant has done an excellent job against some goddamned awful scripts.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   

BB and its accotrements present a slant on human frailty.
All grist to the writer's mill.
Jade Goody just another victim. RIP.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 08:54 am:   

Weber - so you'd make sick jokes about those other people who died of cancer too?
'BB and its accotrements present a slant on human frailty'
We were all children once. Jade just did the best she could with the cards she was dealt; her life was pretty tough you know.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 09:24 am:   

Sorry about my typo: accotrements = accoutrements
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 10:01 am:   

Jade Goody just another victim. RIP.

Wise words, Des.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 11:20 am:   

"You really do go out of your way to try to be patronising don't you Proto."

The alacrity with which you oscillate from bilious attacker of the recently dead to delicate wounded flower is quite remarkable.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 11:28 am:   

Thing is, Weber seems smart but choosing to 'act' like this. I really can't fathom it.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 11:45 am:   

Weber, actually I feel roughly the same as you do about the BB/Goody thing...however I also see the poor girl as a victim and think the death of anyone that age from cancer is simply terrible. Save your rage for those who truly deserve it, mate.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 11:49 am:   

I'll mention this: Goody could have sued the hospital that continually got her diagnosis wrong, and for considerable bucks. She declined to, feeling that the money would just be taken from patients who were reliant on the NHS.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
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Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 11:50 am:   

>>My favourite Doctor is still Tom Baker - although I do think David tennant has done an excellent job against some goddamned awful scripts.

I agree. And think early
Peter Davison was good too. (His cyberman tale was one of the best cyberman tales, wasn't it?) I'd've liked Paul McGann to have played Christopher Ecclestone's series too.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:06 pm:   

>>Weber, actually I feel roughly the same as you do about the BB/Goody thing...however I also see the poor girl as a victim and think the death of anyone that age from cancer is simply terrible.<<

I think that's just about summed up my feelings on the subject of Jade Goody. I couldn't stand her from what I'd seen/read of her in the media (and I thought the way she let the media in in her final weeks like that was just plain sick).

But anyone dying way too young like that is tragic. Though I also see where Weber is coming from in saying that if he couldn't stand her when she was alive, it would be plain hypocrital to say how great she was once she'd died.

But, Mark, was it that the hospital got the diagnosis wrong? I'd read that she'd got the letter asking her to come back to check things out after the first test and she ignored it - which, if true, was a pretty silly thing to do.

She has done quite a bit of good in fact - although I'm not sure she intended her final weeks to work in that way. There was a big increase in take-up of cervical smear tests (particularly amongst the young, who'd previously thought "it can't happen to me as I'm too young"). She's probably saved a few lives!

So, I couldn't stand her when she was alive from what I'd seen of her, but, like I said, it's a real tragedy that she died so young, and with a young family too. Her legacy, though, is that she's probably saved a few lives, so I reckon she deserves a bit of respect for that and to RIP - no matter what we thought of her annoying posturing, etc, when she was alive.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:08 pm:   

.. and back on the subject of Doctor Who:

>>I'd've liked Paul McGann to have played Christopher Ecclestone's series too.<<

Oh yes, that would have been wonderful!
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
Username: Mark_lynch

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 88.110.58.21
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:15 pm:   

Yeah, I'd heard that Goody claim too, Caroline. But she did go back, over a series of three years, I believe. And the scans were repeatedly either botched or misinterpreted during that time.

Not one to quote the beast often, but I must here, Max Clifford in all likleihood rightly said if Goody had seen his private doctor she'd probably still be alive today.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
Username: Mark_lynch

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 88.110.58.21
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:16 pm:   

Ecclestone's accent in that new GI JOE movie sounds very funny. Funnier than Scotty in Star Trek (James Doohan AND Simon Pegg versions.)
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:26 pm:   

>>Yeah, I'd heard that Goody claim too, Caroline. But she did go back, over a series of three years, I believe. And the scans were repeatedly either botched or misinterpreted during that time. <<

Ah! That actually puts a slightly different slant on my impression of her then - I thought she'd been daft enough to ignore the original warning signs.

It doesn't surprise me at all that the NHS would botch things like that. I've had many dealings with them myself over the years, and I don't trust them one bit. I've heard terrible "horror stories" from other patients about what's happened to them with the NHS.

It's noticeable that we've probably all got different impressions of Goody through media reports and so on. There I was thinking she'd been in idiot for ignoring the hospital when she hadn't. It's worth remembering that we get impressions of people like this, whom we've never met, simply from the media (often, twisted media stories too). She might actually have been a really nice lady in real life! BB warps and twists people's behaviour too, of course - with people playing to the cameras to get the celebrity status they're trying to achieve.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
Username: Mark_lynch

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 88.110.58.21
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 02:31 pm:   

It's all in the editing. The best advice is "Don't sign the consent form."

We've had the Grand NHS Argument before, and come to the conclusion that there's good and bad in it, both compounded by various political and private interests.

Interesting to watch the US health care arguments, my favourite of which was the widely publiiccised comment that had prof Stephen Hawkings been British, the NHS would've killed him by now . . .
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

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Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 03:54 pm:   

Oh, don't get me wrong on the NHS, Mark - I'm very glad we have a National Health Service. It's just that they're under enormous pressure to deal with everyone and that means mistakes can be made.

But mistakes are made in private health care too. There was an ex-footballer's (Colin Hendrie? I might be wrong there though) wife who recently died due to complications following botched cosmetic surgery.

No, I'm all for the NHS, and the idea of health care only for those who can afford it bothers me tremendously. But there is a quandry here - which is, I guess, what the arguments in the States are all about at the moment. Great healthcare for everyone costs a lot to deliver, so should people who can pay be asked to pay? I don't know the answer to that (and I don't want to start an argument!), but I, for one, am glad of the healthcare the NHS has provided me with as I couldn't afford to pay - even though it's been lacking in several respects it's been far better than having no healthcare at all!
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 217.37.199.45
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:01 pm:   

"But mistakes are made in private health care too."

And when they're made, the patients usually end up being taken on by the NHS. Solihull Hospital near me has a steady stream of incoming patients that the local Spire/BUPA hospital has passed on, either because it lacks the resources and expertise or because there isn't a high enough profit margin in retaining them as patients.
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 217.37.199.45
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:05 pm:   

A few years after Michael Moorcoack and his wife moved to the USA, their life savings (including all the money Moorcock had earned from his fantasy novels) had disappeared in the cost of urgent hospital treatment. Money they had hoped to live on for the rest of their lives.

I suppose the upside is that Moorcock just kept on writing...
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.11
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:16 pm:   

Some tory or other is in the news today saying he thinks that anyone with a job should pay every time they have a GP appointment - therefore everyone who struggles along on low pay rather than scrounge off the state would suddenly no longer be able to afford to see their doctors.

I'm scared shitless of the Topries getting in at the next election. I work in an admin role for the NHS now so my job would be gone. I really don't want to go through all that shit I went through last year again quite so soon.

"Thing is, Weber seems smart but choosing to 'act' like this. I really can't fathom it."

I just hate everything to do with BB and Jade Goody. It pissed me off so much when everyone around me was practically canonising the stupid ***** because she was ill. Some of these people had castigated her for the racist thing a couple of years ago and suddenly she was a saint in their eyes because she was ill. I did get taken to one side at work and asked not to express my opinions on Jade one day when I was disagreeing with someone about her sanctity in my normal tactful (sic) way. The whole media circus around her illness and death is one of the most vile things I've ever seen.

"The alacrity with which you oscillate from bilious attacker of the recently dead to delicate wounded flower is quite remarkable"

My comment about you being patronising was just a general observation not a wounded flower act. You really are a patronising sod when you want to be.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.149.114
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:22 pm:   

Weber - you are talking about the people who went on about Goody, not Goody. She would not have reached our spheres of existence without them. Is it so hard to recognise that what you said was quite revolting?
Anyway, I've decided you dig this attention, so this probably doesn't matter.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.149.114
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:24 pm:   

I'm gonna build an island in the sea and bring in all the nice people to live with me on it. No internet allowed, mind, and they'll only show seventies telly. The world is starting to suck too much.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:34 pm:   

>> ... and they'll only show seventies telly.<<

If you expand that to 6os telly too, can I come and join you? Or if I'm not nice enough, maybe I'll just go on the island next door and do the 60s TV from there!

But seriously, Tony, I sense some deep issues here (and from another post of yours I've seen). I don't know you from Adam (who ever he is), but you seem like a nice chap. Hang in there, lad. Things can only get better, as they say.

Actually, I know we've had a few disagreements here, and some people are getting a lot more flack for expressing their views than others, but I can honestly say you all seem like good, decent folk to me. Let's be nice to each other, accept each others' rights to express viewpoints - even if they upset us, and enjoy ourselves here, eh? Life's far too short to be getting uptight about - as Jade Goody has proven.

Big hugs, everyone.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.72.14.113
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   

Weber, I didn't watch Big Brother, never read the tabloids and only by social osmosis have some idea who this person is - who apparently was famous despite being devoid of talent and died of an illness that several people in my own larger family and a few other acquaintances and work colleagues have also died from.

I think about them and don't have the time nor the inclination to get worked up about anyone I didn't know and by the sound of it wouldn't have wanted to know anyway. Or is this me falling prey to the cancer that is lowest-common-denominator media "news" mongering?
Either way I choose not to let her life (and death) impact on my own - even as much as to think overly about her and I'd advise you to do the same. Life's too short man and there's too much good stuff out there to be enjoyed...
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.241.223
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   

I'm gonna build an island in the sea and bring in all the nice people to live with me on it.

Clearly, Weber and I won't be there... we're one level below typhoid....
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.149.114
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:43 pm:   

Hey! I'm still speaking to ya! And weber can be, um, ok.
Thanks, Caroline.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.149.114
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 04:43 pm:   

Till he starts typing.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:21 pm:   

Hey, y'know what? I think I'm going to start up a "happy thread"! We all need a bit of happiness in our lives, methinks ...
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
Username: Mick

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.177.173.198
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:26 pm:   

I want an island where they just show The Avengers...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:32 pm:   

>>I want an island where they just show The Avengers...<<

Are you coming to FantasyCon then, Mick - to see Brian Clemens? Even if I don't manage to get to much of FCon, I'd really like to get there for his bit.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   

Nobody' perfect, folks. Except me, of course. And maybe Strantzas, on a good day (just don't tell him I said that).
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
Username: Mick

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.177.173.198
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   

Oh yes! I was going to come along anyway, but that put the final seal on the deal!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 06:41 pm:   

What, me being perfect? But you already knew that.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.236.16
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   

"I'm gonna build an island in the sea and bring in all the nice people to live with me on it."

Let's do a list.

Johnny Ball
Michaal Palin
Jack Lemmon
Jimmy Stewart
Albert Schweitzer

See how they get more A-list as I thought about it? Hmm, no women yet.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.236.16
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 07:25 pm:   

Cronenberg™ sounds like a beer. Chilly, crisp, does terrible things to your physiology.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.236.16
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 07:34 pm:   

"Well, I had a Kronebberg, and they each had a Dry White Wine Spritzer (with soda)."

You mean he IS a beer? What's Raimi? Sounds like seafood.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 08:35 pm:   

Proto - are you on the right thread? Your last two comments belong elsewhere, I think.

And don't you know any nice women?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 89.19.73.45
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 08:49 pm:   

I'm afraid I let threads confine me as much as lines of longitude do.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
Username: Mick

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.177.173.198
Posted on Friday, August 28, 2009 - 09:40 pm:   

What, me being perfect? But you already knew that.

You bloody interstitial poster, you!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 89.19.83.252
Posted on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 06:16 pm:   

Is this the future of the cinema? Will it disappear as we know it, and become just another place that sells the experience of meaningless flashing lights and techno music?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090829/ap_en_mo/us_cinema_remake
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Saturday, August 29, 2009 - 09:41 pm:   

>>Is this the future of the cinema? Will it disappear as we know it, and become just another place that sells the experience of meaningless flashing lights and techno music?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090829/ap_en_mo/us_cinema_remake<<

I think the problem is that if cinemas don't evolve like this, then they will ALL close down completely anyway. Like the article says, with most young people watching films on laptops, etc - and, clearly from the quote they provide, not seeing how the "big screen" experience is any more enjoyable than the small screen one - cinemas are doomed unless they do change with the times.

I was very sad to see so many cinemas close down a while back - only to be replaced by the awful multi-plexes.

In Leeds (as some of you here will know, I expect), there's an amazing old cinema still surviving - Hyde Park Picture House. Honestly, go to see a film there (they operate as an art house cinema now) and it's like stepping back in time - wonderful! I'm a bit old-fashioned when it comes to cinemas - I love the old style. Nothing's better than watching a great old movie, in a great old cinema.

(having said that, I haven't been to HPPH for ages - is it still going? I confess most of my old films are viewed at Bradford's National Media Museum now - more modern, but still a nice atmosphere)

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