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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.10.157
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 07:06 am:   

I just stumbled across someone online that claims it's apparently possible to get a copy of the film ADDIO FRATELLO CRUDELE (1971) nearly uncut! This is like finding GREED semi-uncut, to me. There's a 100 minute version out there, this guy claims (from a posting earlier this year), that is still not the original 105 minute version, but better than the butchered/wretched-quality U.S. 90 minute version. I'm assuming it's an Italian dvd, but maybe it's a Japanese import, because there's supposedly Japanese subtitles. Unfortunately, they say it's untranslated into English. Could you check whomever you'd think'd have it for me?... I've been scouring online sources, but can't find any readable information....
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 01:11 pm:   

There again, is this uncut?

http://www.unilibro.it/find_buy/Scheda/dvd_film/regista-/sku-12403436/addio_frat ello_crudele_.htm
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 01:14 pm:   

Aargh! Sorry, Craig! Not the Griffi film. But this is, and appears to be running closer to the original length:

http://www.allmovie.com/dvd/tis-pity-shes-a-whore-156997
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 01:26 pm:   

Oh dear again. I've just checked the online chapter listing for the above version, and I'm afraid the chapters add up to 89 minutes 55 seconds, despite the listed total running time. Sorry!
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.236.110
Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 03:38 pm:   

Thanks, Ramsey, but yes - there was a version released here in the States a few years back, and it listed it as "uncut" and that it had the 105 full minutes - but when I got it, it was in fact a 90 minute version that was culled from some truly terrible film stock. How could this dvd company get away with that kind of false advertising?!? I It had a different cover than the one you found, and I got excited thinking, maybe that's it, maybe that's the one... but you seem to say it's in fact not, sadly....

There is a tantalizing post online, though, from someone who's seen this version spoken of in my original post. Maybe it's then a Japanese import?... I mean, via Japanese import, at least here in the States, is still the only way to get a copy of Disney's SONG OF THE SOUTH... and probably others....
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:28 am:   

Is Song of the South Uncle Tom's Cabin? Is it racist?
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:29 am:   

And Greed sounds excellent; one of these films I've read about but never gotten off my bum to actually watch.
I think film should go silent and black and white again till it refinds its mojo.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 147.252.230.126
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:42 am:   

"Is Song of the South...racist?"

We won't know because it's effectively banned. Saw a clip which looked full of southern USA stereotypes who were black, but then that's what Disney does to every culture. I mean who'd seriously be offended by DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE? I suppose it would be more sensitive in America than anywhere else though, since they're so obsessed with race.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:45 am:   

We can't accept innocence, can we? There's none left and we know it.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:47 am:   

And it's not like we want a horrible Spike Lee film but with cartoon bunnies. It just wouldn't sit right.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.234.46
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   

SONG OF THE SOUTH is considered racist, but I'll be mystified if I can figure out how. As far as I know, it just depicts a time and place in history. The film is quite good, and for long was considered one of Disney's finest; a kid's film like this you won't see again, ever (mixing low comedy with animal animation, and a live-action dramatic portrayal of the post-Civil War American south [not forgetting, its an adaptation of a famous American story-cycle]). "Zip-ah-de-doo-dah" or however it's titled, is a song everyone's known and heard seemingly from before birth... I don't care how jaded you are, how can it NOT put you in a good mood?....
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:06 pm:   

It sounds like a utopia.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.234.46
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:14 pm:   

And filled with a gentle wisdom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ak4vjiNzw

"This is just the place I belongs away from!"
"Don't you know you can't run away from trouble?"
"Why, they ain't gonna be no trouble."
"They ain't no place that far...."

(Of course, judging by a lot of the posts below this clip, I'm CLEARLY a raving hateful racist for even liking this film... let alone transcribing it....)
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.245.232
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 04:51 pm:   

btw: SONG OF THE SOUTH is widely considered racist, and Disney won't release it... but BIRTH OF A NATION is widely available?... it used to be found commonly at our local 99 Stores, it was so readily at hand?... and no one complains?!?... You don't have to analyze the film to find the racism in BOAN - it's right in front of your friggin' face!!!

The world is thoroughly consumed with its own political agendas and prejudices, and it knows nothing of being consistent. "Be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." -- Eph. 4:14
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.150.116
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 04:55 pm:   

You remind me of the Mosquito Coast guy sometimes. Not in a bad way - just a touch scarily. :-)
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 05:04 pm:   

It irritates the feck out of me when bleeding heart liberals come along and try to rewrite history.

What is the sense in blinkering ourselves to the mistakes of our ancestors when the accepted wisdom is that we should learn from our mistakes.

For that reason 'Ten Little Niggers' will always be 'Ten Little Niggers' to me, the sight of Laurel & Hardy blacking up in 'Pardon Us' will never fail to make me laugh and films like 'Song Of The South', the original 'King Kong', all those magical Johnny Weissmuller Tarzan movies and even the likes of 'Birth Of A Nation' & 'Triumph Of The Will' should be preserved for all time.

And that's not even in my humble opinion, it's plain common sense!!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 05:33 pm:   

It's like casting a black girl as Nancy in the last version of Oliver Twist. Bill was racist. He would never have lived with a black girl. It doesn't matter how good an actress she was, it's completely inaccurate for the story. It was as bad a mistake as the scriptwriters giving Oliver the ability to read... who taught him that in the workhouse? Rewriting the social history of the country is just wrong.

Look at the respect shown to Martha Jones in the 20's set episodes of Dr Who (especially when she was a servant in the school). They kept certain bits accurate, the Dr allowing the boys to beat one of the smaller lads for example, but it went against the grain to then have anyone other than the Dr treat her with the level of respect she had.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.14.216
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:22 pm:   

I've never seen THE MOSQUITO COAST... is that the one with Harrison Ford?... and River Phoenix?...
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   

THE MOSQUITO COAST is a terrific film. I can't believe you haven't seen it. Wow. I thought everyone had. Except Gary Fry.
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Giancarlo (Giancarlo)
Username: Giancarlo

Registered: 11-2008
Posted From: 85.116.228.3
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 08:06 am:   

Hi Craig,
I will ask around DVD shops but I doubt more can be found than available on the Internet, and I don't know what version of the movie, if any, they would have to offer. The movie was cut prior to showing in theaters and, though unjustly, it's an almost forgotten movie even in Italy.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.240.231
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 08:34 am:   

Thanks, Giancarlo. I'm going to keep looking... a good detective doesn't ever give up... well, unless the killer gets to him first....
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:38 am:   

The book Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux is even better. He wrote another called Millroy the Magician which is a companion piece (instead of running away to build a new america the protagonist tries to change america instead) and is possibly the best thing he's ever written. Disturbing, funny, surreal and fantastic in turns.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:40 am:   

Have to agree about 'The Mosquito Coast'.

It's the only time Harrison Ford has actually impressed me as an actor and the story itself is incredibly gripping. Haven't seen it in years and must be due a rewatch!
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.12.197
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:11 am:   

Well, I found what purports to be a 100 minute version - thank you Eddie Brandt's. I checked it out, looking at that very final scene - and yes indeed, this is not the cut version currently going around - so, success! Of sorts, not sure if this is THE uncut version, but.... This is from an old VHS copy of a British version I think, a British film print; because it has that British passed-the-censor thing at the beginning. And it's not perfect clarity, of course - but hell, it beats the quality of the one put out on the recent dvd release! I'm making a back-up copy for myself, purely for myself - i.e., I'm not selling this and have no plans to. But, if anyone's interested in borrowing this later on?... if that doesn't offend anyone too much?... if anyone even cares to see this?...
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:19 am:   

Well, I wouldn't say no...(I've heard so much about this film that I'd like to see it).
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:21 am:   

Is it the UK Redemption VHS release?
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.225.49
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 02:21 am:   

Yes, Zed. At least, it says Redemption on it.

On reviewing (now finished), maybe comparing it to GREED is a bit much... but it's certainly a fine film, and was a great re-watch. So very eerie, and odd, and moody, and actually quite masterfully directed. Haunting Ennio Morricone score. If you like Charlotte Rampling, you'll love her here. If you like odd Italian fare, it's here too. I'm thinking this is a totally uncut version - I can't detect any overt cuts... perhaps one... but lemme tell you, not that total piece of sh*t that was released recently - I'm telling you, that company should be sued for that! Seriously!
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.3.32
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 05:00 am:   

Drop me an email with your address, Zed (freevolveATgmail.com)

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