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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   

I hate awards like everyone else but believe that the ritual is worthwhile (not to mention fun) when taken no further than one individual's opinion.

As we are approaching the end of this Century's first decade I'd be interested (not to mention informed whilst also being entertained) to hear everyone's nominations (i.e. I'm still trying to make up my own mind) for the best films (so much easier to judge than novels) of the nougthies (or the 21st Century so far...):

May I propose the following categories:

BEST FILM

Best Horror
Best Sci-Fi
Best Fantasy
Best Comedy
Best Thriller
Best Drama
Best Western
Best Gangster
Best War
Best whatever other category you want to add...

...and of course never forgetting WORST FILM [i.e. 'Pearl Harbor']

Anything made for cinema release between the years 2000-2009 is eligible.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 04:16 pm:   

Oops... noughty me!
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
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Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:08 pm:   

I would nominate:

BEST FILM: 'The White Ribbon' (2009) by Michael Haneke
Best Horror: 'Antichrist' (2009) by Lars von Trier
Best Sci-Fi: 'Moon' (2009) by Duncan Jones
Best Fantasy: 'Pan's Labyrinth' (2006) by Guillermo del Toro
Best Comedy: 'Shaun Of The Dead' (2004) by Edgar Wright
Best Thriller: 'No Country For Old Men' (2007) by The Coen Brothers
Best Psychological: 'The Piano Teacher' (2001) by Michael Haneke
Best Western: 'The Proposition' (2005) by John Hillcoat
Best Gangster: 'The Departed' (2006) by Martin Scorsese
Best War: 'Letters From Iwo Jima' (2006) by Clint Eastwood
Best Historical Epic: 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' (2006) by Ken Loach
Best Espionage: 'Munich' (2005) by Steven Spielberg
Best Political: 'The Lives Of Others' (2006) by Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck
Best Feelgood Movie: 'Little Miss Sunshine' (2006) by Jonathan Dayton
Best Feature Documentary: 'Grizzly Man' (2005) by Werner Herzog
Best Animated Feature: 'WALL-E' (2008) by Andrew Stanton
WORST FILM: 'Pearl Harbor' (2001) by Michael Bay

...off the top of my head.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:52 pm:   

Best Surreal: 'Inland Empire' (2006) by David Lynch
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 05:57 pm:   

If it was best film of LAST century I'd be spoilt for choice, but I don't think I've even watched any films from this century yet! I'll leave this to you more up-to-date folks ...
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Nathaniel Tapley (Natt)
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Registered: 11-2009
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Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 06:26 pm:   

BEST FILM: Memento (2000) Christopher Nolan
Best Horror: 'The Orphanage' (2007) Juan Antonio Bayona (HM - The Descent (2005) Neill Marshall)
Best Sci-Fi: 'District 9' (2009) Neill Blomkamp (HM - 'Children Of Men (2006) Alfonso Cuaron)
Best Fantasy: 'Pan's Labyrinth' (2006) Guillermo del Toro (HM - Coraline (2009) Henry Selick)
Best Comedy: 'Borat' (2006) Larry Charles (HM - Best In Show (2000) Christopher Guest)
Best Thriller: 'Memento' (2000) Christopher Nolan (HM - Dead Man's Shoes (2004) Shane Meadows)
Best Psychological: 'Birth' (2004) Jonathan Glazer
Best Western: 'There Will Be Blood' (2007) Paul Thomas Anderson
Best Gangster: 'City Of God' (2004) Fernando Mereilles (HM - A History Of Violence (2005) David Cronenburg)
Best Historical Epic: 'The Wind That Shakes The Barley' (2006) by Ken Loach (HM - The New World (2005) Terrence Malick)
Best Political: 'In The Loop' (2009) Armando Iannucci (HM - The Constant Gardener (2005) Fernando Mereilles)
Best Feelgood Movie: 'Little Miss Sunshine' (2006) by Jonathan Dayton (HM - Juno (2007) Jason Reitman)
Best Feature Documentary: 'Grizzly Man' (2005) by Werner Herzog (HM - Capturing The Friedmans (2003) Andrew Jarecki)
Best Animated Feature: 'Up' (2009) Pete Docter (HM - Coraline (2009) Henry Selick)
Best Musical: 'Dancer In The Dark' (2000) Lars von Trier (HM - Team America: World Police (2004) Trey Parker & Matt Stone)
WORST FILM: Cache (2005) Michael Haneke
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Huw (Huw)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 218.168.191.247
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 06:33 pm:   

There's no way I can single out just one for each category!

- Horror: A Tale of Two Sisters, Dark Water, Kairo
- SF: Dark City, The Host
- Fantasy: The Lord of the Rings trilogy
- Comedy: The Quiet Family, Happiness of the Katakuris
- Thriller: Memories of Murder, Double Vision
- Drama: Still Life (Sanxia Haoren), All About Lily Chou-Chou
- Western: can't think of one (Deadwood series, maybe)
- Crime: Lady Vengeance, Old Boy, A Bittersweet Life
- War: Hotel Rwanda
- Historical Epic: haven't seen one...
- Espionage: Lust, Caution, Munich
- Political: Milk
- Feelgood: Dean Spanley, Turtles are Surprisingly Fast Swimmers
- Documentary: Planet Earth (series), The Blood of Yingchou District
- Animated: Spirited Away
- Surreal: Gozu, Mulholland Drive, Uzumaki
- Romance: Siworae (Il Mare), I'm a Cyborg But That's Okay
- Worst: any of the many hopeless remakes of superior Asian films, or any hamfisted attempt at horror with lots of unnecessary gore but no soul or substance; alternatively, pretty much any Uwe Boll/Michael Bay film!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:14 pm:   

Like Huw, I'm going to strugglr picking one for each, but I'll try:

- Horror: The Blair Witch Project, Kairo
- SF: Time of the Wolf
- Fantasy: The Lord of the Rings trilogy
- Comedy: Happiness of the Katakuris,can't remember any more
- Thriller: Memories of Murder, Memento
- Drama: The Wrestler,
- Western: The Proposition
- Crime: Lady Vengeance, Infernal Affairs Trilogy
- War: The Pianist
- Historical Epic: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
- Espionage: The Good Shepherd
- Political: Cache
- Feelgood: Into the Wild
- Documentary: Encounters at the End of the World
- Animated: Bourneville Rendezvous
- Surreal: Gozu, Inland Empire
- Romance: Brokeback Mountain
- Worst: What Huw said. :-)

A few more you missed off:

- Satire: The Rules of Attraction
- Action: Death Sentence
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:54 pm:   

Ah, I was wrong - I HAVE seen a film made this century ... but I daren't say what it is or it might stir up an argument again. OK, you really want to know? Donnie Darko. I'd nominate that for best horror and best surreal film.

But considering I haven't seen any others made since 2000 with which to compare it, you might want to disregard my nomination.

Zed - Blair Witch is 1999, which is why I didn't list that one.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 09:57 pm:   

Oh, sorry - best animated feature = Curse of the Were-rabbit or The Corpse Bride (can't make up my mind there)
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
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Registered: 04-2008
Posted From: 12.165.240.116
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2009 - 10:02 pm:   

I'll give it a go:

- Horror: The Orphanage; [REC]
- SF: Primer; Timecrimes
- Fantasy: The Lord of the Rings trilogy
- Comedy: Amelie
- Thriller: Cache
- Drama: 4 Months, 3 weeks, 2 days; Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter ... and Spring
- Western: No Country for Old Men
- Crime: Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
- War: The Hurt Locker
- Historical Epic: Hotel Rwanda
- Espionage: Munich
- Political: Traffic
- Feelgood: Inglourious Basterds
- Documentary: Lake of Fire
- Animated: Spirited Away
- Surreal: Synecdoche, NY; Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
- Romance: Brokeback Mountain
- Worst: Whatever Craig liked
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Kate (Kathleen)
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Registered: 09-2009
Posted From: 93.96.181.75
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 08:21 am:   

Horror: Session 9
SF: Moon
Comedy: Brüno
Romance: Let the Right One In

I haven't seen enough films in the other categories to judge!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:11 am:   

Films from 2000 shouldn't count as that was the last year of the 20th Century. 21st century started on 1/1/2001
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Stu (Stu)
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Registered: 04-2008
Posted From: 86.29.190.218
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:20 am:   

Bloody hell, really struggling to fill some of these categories. Some of the following films are mentioned more out of desperation than anything else.

Horror - Dawn of the Dead
SF - Serenity
Fantasy - LOTR trilogy (especially Fellowship of the Ring)
Comedy - Shaun of the Dead
Thriller - Taken
Drama - Million Dollar Baby
Western - Shanghai Noon, Appaloosa
Crime - The Dark Knight
War - Hart's War
Historical Epic - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Espionage - The Bourne Identity
Political - Shooter
Feelgood - Spider-Man
Documentary - Bowling for Columbine
Animated - Monsters Inc.
Surreal - Donnie Darko
Romance - Planet Terror
Worst - Star Wars prequels (yes, I know Phantom Menace was 1999 but I was still reeling from the shock well into the 2000s)
Satire - Mean Girls
Action - Ong-Bak, District 13
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:54 am:   

BEST FILM - Donnie Darko

Best Horror - The Mist, The Descent, Funny games (original)
Best Sci-Fi – Donnie Darko,
Best Fantasy – LOTR Two Towers
Best Comedy – Team America – World Police
Best Thriller – Bourne Trilogy
Best Drama – Funny games
Best Western - Not seen any
Best Gangster - Not seen any
Best War - Two towers. Return of the king
Best Surreal – Chumscrubber
Superhero - Spidey 2 or Dark Knight
Animated – Wallace & Gromit curse of the Were Rabbit

...and of course never forgetting WORST FILM 'Pearl Harbor' I’ll go with that.

Although Star Wars 3 has to be up there with it - and just for one word in the script - YOUNGLINGS!?!?! Which drugged up stupid tit-head scriptwriter thought it would be cool to call children younglings???
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:57 am:   

Changes of mind (thanks for reminding me!)...

War: 'The Pianist' (2002) by Roman Polanski
Animated: 'Spirited Away' (2001) by Hayao Miyazaki

Categories I forgot...

Crime: 'London To Brighton' (2006) by Paul Andrew Williams
Action: 'Casino Royale' (2006) by Martin Campbell
Drama: 'Jindabyne' (2006) by Ray Lawrence
Satire: 'Lunacy' (2005) by Jan Svankmajer
Sports: 'The Wrestler' (2008) by Darren Aronofsky
Superhero: 'Spiderman II' (2004) by Sam Raimi
Romance: 'Zombie Honeymoon' (2004) by Dave Gebroe
Musical: 'Dancer In The Dark' (2000) by Lars von Trier
Biggest Disappointment: 'Quantum Of Solace' (2008) by Marc Forster
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:24 pm:   

- Worst: Whatever Craig liked

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Karim Ghahwagi (Karim)
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Posted From: 193.89.189.24
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   

Best Horror - Brazil
Best Sci-Fi - Brazil
Best Fantasy - Brazil
Best Comedy - Brazil
Best Thriller - Brazil
Best Drama - Brazil
Best Western - not Brazil
Best Gangster- Brazil
Best War - Brazil
Best Superhero- Brazil
Best Satire- Brazil
Best Romance -Brazil
Best surreal- Brazil
Best espionage- Brazil
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   

Gangster - History of violence. or eastern Promises.
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Karim Ghahwagi (Karim)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   

Brazil is timeless so it counts (raises fists);-)
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 12:44 pm:   

Gangster - I liked The Departed.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:29 pm:   

"Which drugged up stupid tit-head scriptwriter thought it would be cool to call children younglings???"

One who was familiar with the history of English, perhaps?
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:43 pm:   

I've used the word in my novel too.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:47 pm:   

Well excuse me for not being familiar with the pre 12th century usage of English. It's a silly word, that's why it's been unused for 900 years.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:50 pm:   

It hasn't been, Marc, sorry. For what it's worth, it sounded entirely familiar to my inner ear.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 01:58 pm:   

I missed the off my last post. I accept that it may be a genuine English word (quick google search showed me it's pre 12th century), but it really did grate when I heard it in the film and has become my most hated word in the English language.

Just one of those completely irrational dislikes that most of us are prone to. Like the dislike we all have for Craig.

Hang on, that hatred is entirely rational.
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 02:08 pm:   

I like Craig. He's a little hysterical - but basically sound.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 02:09 pm:   

Karim - you really like Brazil, don't you? I must admit it's on my perhaps-I-really-should-watch-this list. Perhaps I should?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 02:17 pm:   

Gilliams best film by quite a long way - and I really loved Fisher King, 12 Monkeys and fear and Loathing
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 02:21 pm:   

and time bandits.

Has anyone ever noticed that in the video store in Fisher King, the only film posters on the walls behind are for Gilliam's films...
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted From: 78.21.232.191
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   

younglings

Yoda uses the word to designate the very young jedi-in-training. So it's ok to use the word, seeing as it has regained its popularity. :-)
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 03:00 pm:   

'Brazil' was the second best film of the 1980s (after 'Once Upon A Time In America') for me and is easily Gilliam's masterpiece.

Where is Craig anyway? A sound bloke indeed!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 03:07 pm:   

It's a very bad word and the worst line in an already badly written film.

The conversion of Annakin to the dark side has no pathos or signs of inner struggle -- it's practically

Emperor - C'mon Annie, you know you want to.
Annakin - Oh all right then. Have you got any younglings you want me to kill?


Which line has the most emotional impact?

"He's killed the children!"

or


"He's killed the younglings!"?

With my totally irrational hatred of the word youngling the answer has to youngling, but that's the wrong emotional reaction. For the correct emotional reaction to the line then you need to use the word Children (or even youngsters, or kids or rugrats - anything but what was actually used!).

It seems completely pointless to use the word in this film which had otherwise been using pretty much standard English.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 03:18 pm:   

Are we drifting off topic?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.4.249.186
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 03:47 pm:   

Where is Craig anyway? A sound bloke indeed!

I'm reeling from the abuse - no, I mean to my eyes from seeing many of the choices so far.

I've not seen enough either to feel too confident about a final decision, but some, off the top of my head....

BEST FILM: Tillsammans (Together)
Best Horror: Cure
Best Sci-Fi: Imposter
Best Fantasy: The Fellowship of the Ring
Best Comedy: Stepbrothers/Death at a Funeral
Best Thriller: Crank (yeah, it's a laugh riot too - so what?)
Best Psychological: Being Julia
Best Western: 3:10 To Yuma
Best Gangster: Blow
Best War: Children of Men (lotta great fantasy war scenes in it!)
Best Musical: Chicago
Best Espionage: Munich
Best Political: Body of Lies
Best Feelgood Movie: Juno
Best Ensemble: A Prairie Home Companion/Gosford Park
Best Animated Feature: Waking Life/A Scanner Darkly
WORST FILM: The Mist
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 03:56 pm:   

Weren't you slating the LOTR series in a thread a while ago?
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 04:07 pm:   

Gosford Park would have got Best Period Drama & Best Whodunnit for me if not for... 'The White Ribbon'.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.4.249.186
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 04:10 pm:   

Yes, I was, Weber. But I'm having to rate the best fantasy of the last ten years. I picked the first movie of that series, not the whole series - there's not many fantasies I can think of that came out in the last 10 years I liked - I thought FOTR was better than PAN'S LABYRINTH. Now, I didn't see THE GOLDEN COMPASS or the Narnia films... maybe there's a good one out there I didn't see?... Mine is an iffy list....

As a whodunit, I thought Gosford Park only passable. But then - what other whodunits came out in the last 10 years?... Maybe BRICK would make that particular list for me... but only maybe....
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 04:25 pm:   

I was tempted to put Spidey 2 in there as a fantasy but then decided to give it it's own listing
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 04:56 pm:   

'The Golden Compass' was dreadful - a dumbed down abomination compared to the book.

I enjoyed the LOTR trilogy and 'King Kong' (even if they were somewhat overblown) and loved 'The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe'. Must see the other Narnia films - how many have been made so far?
'Pan's Labyrinth' gets it though for the adult theme and sheer originality.

'Caché' was a whodunnit while 'Memento' could be called a whydunnit.

Makes me think were there any great Detective or Cop movies made this decade?
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 05:01 pm:   

'Lantana' was another great whodunnit.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.4.248.187
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 05:04 pm:   

I wouldn't call CACHE a whodunit, a genre which has, to me, very specific conventional elements - one, an explanation! You do learn - but not definitively - the "who" in CACHE, and you kind of learn the "why" - but no, no, no, not a whodunit.

The classic templates for whodunits are Agatha Christie - movies like the Thin Man series, MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS - A SHOT IN THE DARK is a comedic whodunit - THE LONG GOODBYE is a gumshoe whodunit - so is CACHE an avante-garde whodunit?... Imho, no.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 05:05 pm:   

A semi-great cop movie: TRAINING DAY.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 05:09 pm:   

Zodiac for a good cop film?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 05:42 pm:   

Queen of the Damned for one of the worst films of the decade.

On the DVD they've got deleted scenes of groups of vampires arguing and the stated reason for not using these scenes is that they "didn't think people would be interested in vampire politics". This is an Anne Rice book they're supposed to be making! Anne Rice fans like vampire politics. Stupid assholes on committees shouldn't be allowed near filmmakers.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 82.0.107.17
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 03:17 am:   

I really must get to see 'Zodiac'.
Probably the biggest movie of the decade that I am bound to love and have yet to see.

I can't remember the last really great Detective or Cop movie I saw. Probably 'LA Confidential' way back in 1997...
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.16.84.238
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 03:36 am:   

Oh yes Stephen - do see ZODIAC! A great detective AND cop film, actually!

So LANTANA was a good whodunit? I'm always lusting after whodunits, good ones - okay, any ones - in film.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 11:08 am:   

'Lantana' is a marvellous Australian film by the director of the even better 'Jindabyne'.
Both concern the effect on a group of people of the discovery of a woman's corpse in the wilderness.

The first concentrates on a disparate group of suspects who all had reasons to "do her in" and is a classic detective thriller/whodunit/ensemble character drama with a brilliant performance by the quite wonderful Anthony Lapaglia as the world weary detective.

The second is a serial killer thriller with subtlety and brains that nods knowingly to 'Wolf Creek' but that focuses not so much on the crimes but on the aftermath in the community of the discovery of the latest victim. The fact that the corpse was of an aborigine woman and was not immediately reported by the white fishermen who found her sets up one of the most powerful moral dramas of the decade for me and gave Gabriel Byrne the finest performance of his career.

Ray Lawrence is a director to watch imo...
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 11:16 am:   

Doh, I guess that means...

Best Detective: 'Lantana'
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
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Registered: 04-2008
Posted From: 12.165.240.116
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   

JINDABYNE is based on Raymond Carver's famous story "So Much Water So Close to Home," which was also the basis for the Fred Ward segment of Altman's marvelous SHORT CUTS. Although I liked LANTANA, JINDABYNE just left me wishing I'd been watching SHORT CUTS.
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Craig (Craig)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.244.232
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 04:25 pm:   

I've just pushed LANTANA to the top of my Netflix queue. The prospect of seeing a good detective film will get priority over everything else in life, every time... and I mean everything....
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:19 pm:   

I think I need to add in Insomnia (The Chris Nolan version coz I ain't seen the original) as a best cop film here.

Another film where Robin Williams demonstrated that he is a genuinely good actor. I wish he'd do it more often instead of the cheesy rubbish he tends to pop up in.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
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Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:44 pm:   

You're spot on there and thanks for reminding me Weber!

'Insomnia' (2002) was head and shoulders the best Cop thriller of the decade. Marvellous movie!!
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
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Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:50 pm:   

I loved 'Jindabyne'.

A brilliantly shot and acted powerhouse drama that made beautiful use of the Australian scenery. It had that hard to define haunting quality of all great Australian cinema and I have rarely seen the serial killer theme handled as intelligently or with more restraint.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:18 pm:   

Can I add Napoleon Dynamite to the list of worst films?

How boring can you make a film? Get everyone to speak in a flat monotone lifeless tone of voice and on top of that, evryone has to practically superglue their hands to their sides as they talk so there's no animation in voice or body language and you have the dullest excuse for a comedy EVER.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:22 pm:   

I expected to hate 'Napoleon Dynamite' because everyone kept insisting I see it and the few glimpses I had looked as irritating as you describe, Weber.

But when I came to actually watch the film I really got into it and found it hilariously funny. "Bow to your sensei"... etc.

No accounting for taste, eh?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:33 pm:   

Napoleon Dynamite was excellent, IMHO. Hilarious. Not enough knob jokes for Weber's taste...
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:45 pm:   

I'll tell you one comedy I went to see this week that really did disappoint me:
'Bunny And The Bull' by the men behind 'The Mighty Boosh' which I love (have all the DVDs).

It was painfully unfunny and, what is worse, took itself way too seriously - to the point I really resented having spent the money on it. Another example of what is great on the TV failing to translate to the big screen (sadly).
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:50 pm:   

It's actually only by the director of The Boosh. Fielding and Barret had nothing to do with it, apart from their cameos (done as a favour).

The boys are currently writing the Boosh movie, btw...
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:56 pm:   

That explains why they weren't cast as the leads and why (literally) the only funny scenes in the film had them in it. A major relief that...

There is one standout hilarious sequence that features Julian Barratt at his most deadpan. The rest of the film is just dreadful imho.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:05 pm:   

Not enough knob jokes for Weber's taste...

True. In the twenty minutes I sat through before deciding that this was time I would never get back again, there wasn't one. And the inbetweeners was about to start on E4 so I changed channel.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:53 pm:   

The Mighty Boosh is another thing I just don't find funny.

It's the only comdy show at the apollo that I ever wandered back to the first aid room to read my book instead.

Noel Fielding killed Never Mind the Buzzcocks for me. I thought it was really funny while Sean Hughes or Bill Bailey were there but it pretty much stopped being funny when Fielding showed up.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:41 pm:   

I love the In-Betweeners too, Weber.

Favourite episode? The one where they have to hide in the toilets to avoid being beat up by 12 year olds and the tannoy announces "would Will McKenzie please come to reception as his mother (hot mom or what!) is waiting to take him home". Comedy genius!... as is 'The Mighty Boosh'.

So I guess there is hope for both of us!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:45 pm:   

The In-Betweeners is excellent. Love it.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:45 pm:   

I love the one with the old folks home, the immac and the pubic wig. I was nearly crying laughing by the end of that one. When the old woman wakes up while wotsit is entertaining himself over an old photograph... I choked on my tea.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:09 pm:   

Jay is the funniest/most pathetic and hateful/most likeable character in the show.

"Out of the vag, into the bumhole, out of the bumhole, into the vag..."

Maybe you had to be there.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:11 pm:   

Bus stop wankers!
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:43 pm:   

"I was too big for her..." <sob>
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:47 pm:   

Plenty more clunge in the sea
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.233.168
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 07:25 am:   

Okay, um, no. Sorry Stephen. LANTANA was not a good detective film. It was barely a detective film at all. The performances were good, but the story was angst-choked, tedious, and tormentingly drawn-out. The coincidences here were *SO* goddamned big, they almost totally destroyed all suspension of disbelief for me. The mystery was utterly unworthy of being revealed. The characters were unappealing. The coda made me want to vomit, with all the tortured characters re/discovering love, or staring off languidly and sentimentally, or oh-woe-is-me with pain in their hearts, as that annoying music played... ugh. I did not like this film. It's not a hate-worthy film, no, but it is hardly a "best of" anything. And as far as detective movies go, it's stinky.

Not to hold back on my opinion or anything, hope you don't mind.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.0.107.17
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 02:23 pm:   

Of course I don't mind, Craig... your, ahem, review made me smile a lot.

Didn't want to spoil it for you by saying "expect the unexpected" but this is a multi-layered adult drama disguised as a genre film so I thought there was a good chance you might be disappointed. One has to make one's own mind up though...
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.228.52
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 03:47 pm:   

Maybe I was a little too hard on it, Stephen, and I may have suffered - no, I promise I won't draw this discussion out or anything - I may have suffered from expecting one template, but getting another. If I went in expecting a drama, I think I'd have been a lot more receptive, and engaged... it happens....

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