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     Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.177.181.73 |
...not sure what it says about me, given that this is 'only' a game, but I find this quite disturbing:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxdZyGGE3T8 Having said that, it is only a game, albeit one with pretty harrowing scenes. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.0.114.254 |
My brother has this. It's a pretty harrowing game, even to watch. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.0.114.254 |
Mind you, it's not a great deal worse than the Leeds/Bradford airport customer service team. | ||
| Coral (Coral) Username: Coral Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 90.216.127.4 |
My daughter's boyfriend spends all his spare time playing that game. I find that much destruction gets rather boring,to be honest. I prefer games where you create, like Animal Crossing and Harvest Moon. I wonder if that's a male/female thing? | ||
| Ian Alexander Martin (Iam) Username: Iam Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 64.180.64.74 |
That is disturbing. "To start this mission, clear the entire airport of any living human who poses next to no threat to you. Succeed, and get ten points." [shudder] | ||
| Coral (Coral) Username: Coral Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 90.216.127.4 |
You don't see the entertainment value, then?  | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.100 |
Stupid game, like the rest of them. I tried to get into one of the later Tomb Raiders once, but got bored after a good two minutes, mainly because of the limitations. It's always the same - shoot, shoot, shoot is all these characters ever do. At the same time I'm amazed at the increasing realism. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
Now, when answering my next question please bear in mind that I'm of the age group where the most violent computer game we played was space invaders, and also that I don't have any young 'uns of my own so I've no idea what kids get up to nowadays, but what sort of age group would be playing that kind of game? I mean, are youngsters really playing games with that level of realism and violence? If so, that really does disturb me. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.177.181.73 |
It's certainly technically impressive - maybe that's why I find it uncomfortable - if it'd been more cartoon-like I may have felt differently - dunno... | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.100 |
I wouldn't go so far as to say that youngsters are being taught to kill, but this sort of game in conjunction with the supposedly (and certainly much-publicised) easy access to Kalachnikov machine guns in Brussels (don't know about Britain) certainly make a chap think a bit. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 62.30.117.235 |
It's an 18 rated game. It is supposed to be disturbing, and serious... But quite a few reviewers think they misjudged it. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
What 'da kids' get up to will always disturb some older people. Violent games, violent video nasties, violent hip-hop music, rock and roll. My 18 year old son has moved away from games and got more into girlfriend and making music but my 18yr nephew and his mates are all big fans of this and play online together a lot. I think it looks great fun. I imagine the main age group is 15-30 although i'm sure younger kids will be playing it. I don't play games at all really. I used to as a Spectrum obsessed teen and i occasionally have the urge now to go and download one or something but i soon get bored of it. I think the urge is the same nostalgic one that will make me really feel like a big fat fantasy series to read, to take me back to being a kid. I usually get board pretty quickly of the book as well. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
>>What 'da kids' get up to will always disturb some older people. Violent games, violent video nasties, violent hip-hop music, rock and roll.<< In that case I think I'm turning into my mother!   | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
>>In that case I think I'm turning into my mother! << Ha! I guess we all do at some point. I remember a couple of years ago turning to my son and saying 'What ARE you wearing??!' and my friend saying, ' Ah, it begins! You're one of THOSE Dads.' I back peddled quite frantically then! I do, however, feel that i am bucking the stereotype by becoming more and more LEFT wing as i get older. Which is pretty hard as i've always been extreme left anyway. Weirdly, i now find myself in the strange position of seemingly being more left wing than my 18yr old son. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.1.181 |
My reaction: - An amazing piece of art - tell me you're not rivetted by it! That puncturing of the mundane is what great art is supposed to do. Tell me you haven't felt like doing that in a long queue. - Awfully irresponsible of the creators - I don't care how technically good it is, if it encourages even one person to hurt another it should be banned. Kurt Vonnegut said that ond day we'll discover that the real effects of television, like the lead in the water supply that drove the ancient Romans mad. God knows what the net is doing to us. Check out Charlie Brooker's excellent and funny Gameswipe (it's on Youtube) for, among other things, an analysis of disturbing games - some much more disturbing than this one. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
>> I don't care how technically good it is, if it encourages even one person to hurt another it should be banned. << See also, Catcher In The Rye. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
Jesus - I feel ill watching that. I'm actually a bit shaken. My kids play little game consoles all day long given the chance. I was actually recently hooked on playing solitaire on my phone - playing it even while I walked. I thought I was being stupid and over the weekend admitted this preoccupation to a friend; she said she'd gone through a phase exactly like it. My attention is minimal these days, my eyesight shot. To my horror recently I was picturing something in my mind's eyes when it hit me; me mind's eye vision was blurry, too, like my brain was trying to match the reality for me. I was in a bookshop the other day when I heard this teenage girl telling her gran that she had never read a book. The gran told her she did every night, after nine most nights, till she went to sleep. The girl said she had a dvd player and preferred watching films. I felt really dismayed at this till I realised to my horror I that I've been gradually growing unable to read a book all the way through (I've finished maybe three or four over the past couple of years) and that I'm now more like the girl than the gran; my mind is actually unable to grasp the flow of the written word. I dunno, maybe books will one day become a quaint niche thing, like blue cheese; maybe it's natural that it'll happen. If truth be told I have been more moved lately by book than film. Maybe it's the quality of the books i've been reading, the increasing quality of the films. Er, my point here being is that most kids will end up gravitating towards this game like a spider down a plug hole, and that whatever effects they have will be felt by all. I hate the look of this game. I feel filthy; spiritually ill, the way I did when as a kid I found some tatty pages of hardcore porn in some mucky bushes near this old factory. I felt changed in an instant, written on in some indelible substance. Er, that was a bit too heavy, wasn't it? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.141 |
Wasn't it Jeffrey Dahmer whose murder fantasies were fueled by Return of the Jedi? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
And the Exorcist. I'm not suggesting folk will be persuaded to murder people, just that they'll feel shit. It's like that brown smear you see in the sky sometimes over the sea, a kind of taint. It's just the idea of a game based on something in life that is generally considered to be a bad thing. Imagine a game set in the crumbling Twin towers, racing down the stairs. To squeeze fun into a place usually alotted to grief just doesn't feel right. I've just envisioned a game where you can create avatars like in the Sims, whgere you make figures that resemble people you know and love. Would it be wrong to put them in a game and kill them? Would that be 'just' a game? It's like that thing kids do, of pointing a toy gun at you or a stranger; it feels awful, even though it's a toy, but something in you is freaked out and makes them point it away. Somewhere somone will have seen their dad or sister in such a game as this and seen them being butchered; what would that feeling be, just out of curiosity? What if the gun that killed them were in their hands? Would they be able to laugh that off? We've got this WII game and in it you get to box with this blonde, sad-looking guy; neither me nor Marie can bring ourselves to touch him. It's something atavistic, something some people can sidestep. It makes me uncomfortable, as it did the other week when my youngest kid played a game where he walked througha town shooting all and sundry, even though the characters were nice. I had to come out with his pleas of 'It's only a game' ringing in my ears, and my desire not to be called a prude for asking him to turn it off, hoping my disdain/upset would be enough. It was the Emperor who Dahmer was taken with, not so much the film. It was yellow eyes in general. Fred West liked Disney films, too. Just ban everything. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
I'm in the wrong world it seems sometimes, and just have to put up with it, sit it out till my days are done. Like a bad party. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
>>I've just envisioned a game where you can create avatars like in the Sims, whgere you make figures that resemble people you know and love. Would it be wrong to put them in a game and kill them? Would that be 'just' a game?<< It may be similar to what authors occasionally do when writing perhaps. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
What you're saying, Tony, hits home hard. I do wonder if this gang culture/gun culture thing we have at the moment is in some way tied in with the phenomenon you're describing here. What if the kids can't tell the difference between "just a game" and real life? I mean, we used to play at shooting each other (I was a tomboy!) - cowboys and indians, and stuff like that. But we knew it was a game. It didn't make me want to go round REALLY shooting people. I sometimes wonder if this distinction between play and reality has somehow been crossed in some youngsters' minds? I'm no expert on kids but it might be that they NEED to get this "killing thing" done through play early on, rather than let it creep into reality in adult life? And then there are these things you see on the news - child soldiers in Africa and so on, kids taken off the streets/away from their homes and turned into killers. There was a 13 year old girl (Afghan? Pakistani? can't recall which) on the news the other day. She run away from home to avoid her Taliban brother recruiting her as a suicide bomber as he'd done with her younger sister. It was heartbreaking. She was so brave and stong. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
Trouble is there has always been gangs and child violence and every generation thinks theirs is worst than ever and every generation looks for scapegoats to blame in popular culture. Comics were blamed for warping childrens minds and making them violent in the 40s and 50s, hippy music and drugs in the 60s, Clockwork Orange in the 70s, horror films in the 80s, rap music in the 90s. It's always going to happen. I don't think children today are more violent than in the 70s particularly and i don't think they are any more likely to get confused about what is or is not reality. I would say that the main issues that course violence in kids tend to be social depravation and poverty but that doesn't make such good headlines in the Daily Mail though! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
Maybe it is just me. It's just before it never felt so clear that we were allowed to 'be' the bad guys in such things. But then I remember reading and re-reading some horror books for their gory detail, really bad stuff, and loving it. But I do remember feeling haunted by it, too. Is this stuff a rite of passage, perhaps? A mystery in a hut, kept in there to look upon once, like that vortex in Dr Who? Maybe it does send just the odd one mad, who knows. All I know is that that game footage made me feel bad, incapable of finding anything good in it. What to do, eh? Just let it be, I suppose, just keep on wondering and wondering. | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.56 |
Related to this debate, the least aggressive people I know are my friends from the Ju Jitsu club. They don't get riled if people start threatening them. I've noticed I've calmed down a lot too since I started. I think part of it is that we know we can beat the other guy in a fight so we don't need to prove anything. It could also be that some of the discipline of the dojo does seep through into our everyday behaviour. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
I agree Weber. Martial Arts are a great way to lessen aggression and build confidence. I think its great for kids (and adults) to do. A bit of exercise as well. | ||
| Nathaniel Tapley (Natt) Username: Natt Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 78.146.213.182 |
I think, Tony, that that level of that game is meant to make you feel sad. It's meant to make you feel complicit in atrocities; the language of the introduction: "He trades in blood. He's your new best friend." (I'm paraphrasing) forces us to ask questions of the realpolitik in international affairs politicans ask us to accept all of the time. I think it's an entirely appropriate meditation on concepts of 'the greater good', 'the lesser of two evils', and the consequences of domestic security. As it is rated for over-18s (not that I doubt many under-18s will play it) I don't see why we should have any problem with it. I think the confusion may come in that you think that that level is meant to be 'fun', and that games in general are meant to be 'fun'. No more so, I'd argue than films are meant to be 'fun' or 'entertaining' or pop music must be 'fun'. I think that games are quite clearly a narrative art now, and have the right to provoke and shock us as much as comic books, movies, or any other medium does. Here's the statement of someone who has created a highly controversial game, Super Columbine Massacre RPG: http://www.columbinegame.com/statement.htm | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.129.173 |
"It's like that brown smear you see in the sky sometimes over the sea, a kind of taint." Jesus, Tony. Where do you live? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
Maybe kids can cope better with this stuff than we - I - can. To me just a few scenes of it are enough to bring me down the whole day. Is that mission accomplished? Maybe it's me, but I get really engaged with everything I encounter, never dismiss anything. I suppose I can understand how that can be my fault, that I need it sorting out. Yes; the wrong place, not a Tony Lovell place. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
And surely we'd be wrong to *not* be disturbed by stuff our kids like/watch? Would it be better if we encouraged this? Maybe I'm just as bad, letting my kids watch stuff like The Omen. God, I used to hate censorship-type people - now I'm becoming one of them. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.244.130 |
It's no different than pornography. There are levels of these violent games - remember the old video arcade ones, where you stand with a replica gun, and shoot at cardboard cut-outs that go "DING!" and fall back flat? Or purely fantastical ones, like Gauntlet - mowing down tons of fantasy creatures? You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone now to even call those violent. And so the latest incarnation, is this game. And then there's, again, pornography. And there's levels of that - gag drawings and dirty racy pictures, all the way to - need I say? And your average male will fess up to mowing down innocent Russians in a mall for fun day after day after, before he admits to enjoying, day after day after day - need I say? Your average young male (that's who's playing these games, and viewing pornography) isn't going to run out, buy a Kalashnikov, and run to the mall shooting people. Even those THE most offended by this kind of game, would readily admit to that. By the same token, the average young male isn't going to rush off to be part of some transsexual gangbang or bisexual orgy. I'm not making judgments. I'm just saying we've learned to compartmentalize quite well in this 21st Century. And it's not that when they wake up to some kind of outrage or morality that people voluntarily quit doing whatever it is they do - it's purely about when they get bored. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.141 |
There are obviously no "correct" reactions to this stuff, Tony. Sensitivity is good! You remind me of that heartbreaking scene in PUNCHLINE where stand-up comedian Tom Hanks sees his estranged father and brother in the audience and breaks down, talking about how insensitive they were to his sensitivity when he was growing up. (An under-rated film, that one. Similar to COMEDIANS, the BBC Play for Today you can find on YouTube.) | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.141 |
Bloomin' 'eck, just 3 of your "pounds": http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/179857/Punchline/Product.html | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.141 |
(Warning: May contain scenes of Sally Field) | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.244.130 |
King Lear comes to mind, Tony, with your reaction. "Oh you men of stone!", etc. Nietzsche has the same reaction in his parable "The Madman" (where you get "God is dead"), and Lear is by that point somewhat mad too. No one can see what is right in front of them, be it truth or tragedy; that which is surely utterly significant is as if invisible, or dully gazed upon with bovine stares. But if we all saw with total clarity, every moment, we couldn't live - Lear dies, and the madman is dragged off to the asylum, at the end of both their stories. | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 12.165.240.116 |
I'm not much for video games, but this one didn't bother me. It's not real, after all, and no one's ever been able to prove that imaginary violence leads to real violence. Might even work the other way around: a violent person may find that such video games palliate his impulses. I'm reminded that toy guns are prohibited at schools in America. A tiny Lego gun (suitable only for Lego minifigures) got a child expelled here recently. Ridiculous, in my view. George Carlin: "And now they're thinking about banning toy guns - and they're gonna keep the fucking real ones!" | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 62.30.117.235 |
Kids aren't supposed to play this, any more than they should be watching Antichrist or The Exorcist. If they are it's down to the parents. It isn't hard to set parental controls on the Xbox. The level's supposed to be a traumatic experience, in so far as games can be, just like, for example, the bit in the previous game where you played a character executed in a coup and another who dies in a (spoiler) explosion. It's like the bits in 24 where Jack Bauer's forced into similarly awful situations, or any number of Tom Clancy novels. It's hard to see why particular content should be acceptable in TV, films, comics and books (which of course aren't age-restricted at all), but should be banned in video games. It's the usual thing of the newest media coming under the most scrutiny and being the most distrusted. Overall, it would be good for Africa if those child soldiers got to spend a bit more time playing Xboxes... | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.167.138 |
Craig: 'By the same token, the average young male isn't going to rush off to be part of some transsexual gangbang or bisexual orgy.' If only. But opportunities are sadly lacking in Swinton. | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.56 |
Simon, I have friends in low places. I could probably point you in the right direction if you want. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.5.176 |
Imagine a similar video game called "Cluster..." and instead of a gun jutting out as part of your POV, it's... and you go around a room filled with similarly moaning naked people and you... yes, you go up to individuals or groups and - any which way you please - you just start.... For the record, I wrote nothing obscene. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.167.138 |
Funny, isn't it, that games like this one (simulating the mass slaughter of innocent people) would be readily available... but the one that Craig's trying to describe immediately above (showing one of the most pleasurable, natural and life-affirming acts you can have, and indeed the one without which none of us would be here) would probably be banned? Can anyone say 'fucked-up values'? Weber- sorry, but I draw the line at goats. Thanks though. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 62.30.117.235 |
There was a sex mini-game in God of War - you had to rotate the joysticks in the right directions until the jug fell off the bedside table... | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
>>There was a sex mini-game in God of War - you had to rotate the joysticks in the right directions until the jug fell off the bedside table...<< That's the first time I've laughed on this thread!  Anyway, I can't add much more than what's already been said above. I can see all points of view stated here, eg. we wouldn't really complain about a book - readily available to kids too - which contained a scene of mass slaughter. In fact, several of you probably write them! But I still do feel that kids might be becoming more "desensitised", if that's the right word, to violence nowadays. I mean, look back to the 80s and things like The A Team. There, people would get blown up with a flash and a bang and then jump back up again! Here, in the extract from this game, you have a guy dripping blood, trying to crawl away until he's mown down again. But then you could argue that it's better for kids (by that I mean young adults too - remember, I'm old!) to see the REAL consequences of violence rather than "make-believe" ones. In theory then, they should realise it's not a good thing to do. | ||
| Coral (Coral) Username: Coral Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 90.216.127.4 |
What a to-do about a bunch of computer graphics! Violence and pornography have been available in one form or another since people became civilised, and violent sexual behaviour since people began. One could have this debate about virtually every book, game and film that ever existed. Nobody can expect to account for other people's actions, and what they choose to do with such material. Violence is inherant and can become overt regardless of whether they've seen The Omen, or played World of Warcraft, or read The Rats. As for, "Oh,won't somebody think of the children", exercise a bit of common sense and they turn out just like you and I, horror fans, for instance. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
Yes, but not all parents are either capable of, or in a position to, exercise that common sense, Coral. That's where the social deprivation, poverty, bad parenting, and so on enter into the equation. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.134.95 |
"Funny, isn't it, that games like this one (simulating the mass slaughter of innocent people) would be readily available... but the one that Craig's trying to describe immediately above (showing one of the most pleasurable, natural and life-affirming acts you can have, and indeed the one without which none of us would be here) would probably be banned? Can anyone say 'fucked-up values'?" It's not an accurate comparison. Most of the verbal and auditory feedback from acts of violence can be simulated by a computer game. The physical sensations of sex can't be. | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
>>It's not an accurate comparison. Most of the verbal and auditory feedback from acts of violence can be simulated by a computer game. The physical sensations of sex can't be.<<< I don't quite get why it isn't an accurate comparison. Surely the verbal and auditory feedback from acts of sex or violence can be simulated by a computer but the the physical sensations of neither can be. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.91.18 |
But the stimulation of violence is primarily through the eyes and ears - people watch violent films without acting it out, but how many people watch pornography without providing their own - ahem - sensory input? What would be the point? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.86.142 |
But the stimulation of violence is primarily through the eyes and ears - people watch violent films without acting it out, but how many people watch pornography without providing their own - ahem - sensory input? What would be the point? | ||
| Clive (Clive) Username: Clive Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 81.104.165.168 |
Ah, yes, i get your meaning now. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 62.30.117.235 |
"It's not an accurate comparison. Most of the verbal and auditory feedback from acts of violence can be simulated by a computer game. The physical sensations of sex can't be." That's not to say they haven't tried... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rez#Trance_Vibrator | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.195.86 |
Okay, there's just NO WAY I'm going to click on that URL. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.195.86 |
Does all this messing about and nudge, nudge stuff whenever people talk about dex indicate we're still tense about it? | ||
| Coral (Coral) Username: Coral Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 90.216.127.4 |
I clicked on it. I'd like to say that I ALWAYS turn off the rumble when I'm playing!!!! Besides, having the controller jerked out of your hands at tense moments is most distracting.  Mrs C is quite right. Not everybody is a responsible parent, me included. Maybe these "issues" should be addressed in psd lessons. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
My childhood horror was discovered by me, hidden, and it felt right that it should be that way. There was a 'wall' between us and it that we had to climb (we had to 'earn' it?). We had to read, we had to stay up late. It lessened the effects of us thinking it was wrong because the fact it was obscured told us it *agreed* that it was 'wrong'. When we came away from it we didn't feel so bad because there was the impression that everyone felt in a comfortably moral position. Now horror (I wouldn't call that game at the top of this thread 'horror' as for me horror is closer to fairy tale/fantasy; the game is, I'd say, horrific but in a strangely different way) is almost a free gift given away with everything to evryone. One time I would have rejoiced at that, but not any more. By being universally accepted it feels like some value in it is lost. Also, I bet people with kids feel differently about these issues. Poor adults with kids don't necessarily see qualities others don't; they just get handed out these stupid specs on their child's birth that get welded to your eyes for all eternity, ones that initiate us permanently into Sucky World. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.153.33 |
"dex" I must fancy Michael Hall of something. Tony, these are good thoughts your thinking. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.165 |
I hope so! They aren't doing me one jit of good. |