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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 05:03 pm:   

Some interesting things happening at the National Media Museum in Bradford in March.

I've been looking forward to Tim Burton's "Alice .." and they're showing it on IMAX in 3D in early March, so I've booked for that.

Then, later in March is Bradford International Film Festival, with guests including John Hurt and Nicholas Roeg (director of "Don't Look Now" of course). There's also a showing with live musical accompanyment (spelling?) of "The Cabinet of Dr Caligari".

Good stuff!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 05:17 pm:   

But Tim Burton's Alice has got the fat ******* from Shittle Britain in it. I won't be able to watch it. Seeing that ugly face and hearing his voice is enough to make start swearing loudly and throwing things.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 05:33 pm:   

At least he's easier to take than the other one, Weber!

I could never understand the popularity of 'Little Britain'... the modern day equivalent of the 'Dick Emery Show' only not as funny (that's me being sarcastic).
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 05:37 pm:   

He was the reason I couldn't watch Shooting stars, he gave me the creeps then, which turned into an irrational anger every time I saw him. If it's possible to have an allergy to looking at a person I have one with that *******.

I can't stand the other one either but he doesn't have the same effect on me.

BTW no Odeon/UCI cinema will be showing Alice as Disney want to release the DVD in only 12 weeks from the cinema release date.
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Nathaniel Tapley (Natt)
Username: Natt

Registered: 11-2009
Posted From: 78.146.242.226
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:08 pm:   

Yes, Odeon and UCI are certainly shooting themselves in the foot quite spectacularly. I'd be amazed if a lot of people don't lose their jobs over this.

They've put themselves in an unwinnable PR war ("We insist on our right to deprive our customers of the right to see a film in the way most convenient to them, and to prove it we'll deprive them of the opportunity to see one film at all"). They seem to have forgotten that Disney will make money from the film in whatever format people choose to watch it. The whole campaign smacks of petulance, and is simply ill thought-through.

I would imagine that Disney will be just as adamant that they have the right to set their release schedules. They are, after all, the ones who have to pay for the marketing of any film, and the shorter the window between cinema and DVD release, the more impact they can get from one marketing 'spend'.

The question, then, is who has most to lose. Disney in having most of its receipts come from 2D cinemas and DVD in one territory for a film released globally (and one in which people are interested), or Odeon and UCI by missing out on the marquee spring 3D release? What are they going to replace it with on 3D screens? How To Train Your Dragon?

And their press release says "We spent a lot of money making 3D cinemas, so they need 18 weeks' exclusivity." But if 3D is such a selling point, how on earth will seats in 3D showings be threatened by DVD sales, in which the 3D effect is impossible to reproduce?

They've chosen the wrong battle at the wrong time with the wrong company, and, unfortunately, I can only see it going badly for our chain cinemas.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.27.30.20
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:11 pm:   

Nice things . . . in Bradford, you say?

Give over.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 09:03 pm:   

>>Nice things . . . in Bradford, you say?
Give over.<<

Funny, I *knew* you'd say that, Gary.

Yes, it's thanks to the Odeon's stupidity in boycotting Alice that I found out about the 3D IMAX version. I went to the National Media Museum's website to see if they were showing it in normal 2D, and there it was.

I can put up with the Little Britain guy as Johnny Depp's in it too!

Oh, and this BIFF thing - the full programme isn't out yet, but it looks like they'll be showing some good films to go with the guest interviews - Aliens (also 3D IMAX, I think), The Elephant Man, don't know about Don't Look Now - but might be that one too.
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Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker)
Username: Stephen_theaker

Registered: 12-2009
Posted From: 62.30.117.235
Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 12:31 am:   

I can understand the cinemas' position with Alice - their whole thing is to be the first place to see a film. Imagine telling Sky that the BBC would be showing a film twelve weeks after they got it...

And this isn't the film to be doing this with, not when Avatar is still packing them in. They'll just keep showing that.
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Nathaniel Tapley (Natt)
Username: Natt

Registered: 11-2009
Posted From: 78.146.242.226
Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 12:05 pm:   

I understand why the cinemas are doing it, Stephen, but I think it's a stupid move. The message it sends clearly is that they do not believe that, given the option, people will come and see the film in the cinema.

This is after, as their press release says, spending an awful lot of money ensuring that their cinemas can give an experience that cannot be replicated in the home (3D). They may as well be shouting '3D is just a gimmick'. If your marketing campaigns for at least the last couple of years have concentrated on how cinemas offer an experience different to home viewing then making a very public move that suggests they don't is, in my view, stupid.

Instead, they're giving free publicity to a film they can't make any money off, undermining lots of their previous marketing messages, and making themselves look like they cannot offer an experience that compares with home DVD watching. And what are the chances that this will successfully alter Disney's marketing plan? Small, I would say...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 02:24 pm:   

The answer to all this? Come to Bradford and see Alice on the IMAX.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
Username: Stevebacon

Registered: 09-2008
Posted From: 90.204.111.236
Posted on Saturday, February 27, 2010 - 10:08 am:   

I think the Odeon/AiW thing has been sorted now. It looks like a deal has been done.

I read an interview with Steven Soderberg (I think - it may have been Bryan Singer) last year where he suggested that a film should have a simultaneous cinema release that coincided with a DVD and on-demand download option. He thought it would be good for the industry, a way of countering piracy.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 02:23 pm:   

Just a follow up on my "nice things in Bradford" thread.

Unfortunately, Nicholas Roeg has cancelled his on-stage interview due to work commitments. But I'll still be going to see John Hurt being interviewed and receiving a lifetime achievement award. I'll miss Alien in widescreen though, as that's on the same weekend as WHC.

Tim Burton's Alice in 3D on IMAX was .. wonderful! I wanted to reach out and stroke the Cheshire Cat, and when the Red Queen walloped the hedgehog "ball" into the audience with her flamingo "croquet mallet", I actually ducked!

I'm no fan of GCI in ordinary films, but this is the kind of film the technique was made for. They had taken all the most wonderful characters and situations from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass - eg. the Cheshire Cat, the Mad Hatter's tea party, the Jabberwocky - framed this with a nice backstory and turned it into a rip-roaring action adventure. The scenery was beautiful - especially the Garden of Living Flowers and Looking-Glass Insects, including Rocking-Horse Flies.

Honestly, I'd advise anyone to go and see this if you get the chance. I don't think it will have quite the same impact on a standard sized screen and in 2D, and it definitely won't be quite as wonderful on DVD.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 02:37 pm:   

But Matt Lucas - playing twins in 3d??? that's twice as annoying for being on screen twice and thrice as annoying for being in 3d - that's 6 times more annoying than usual.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 02:42 pm:   

He was actually very good in the roles, Weber. I guess Tweedledum and Tweedledee are *meant* to be slightly irritating with their expressions (you could tell it was Matt Lucas) - they were never my favourite characters from Alice.

Oh, I forgot to mention my favourite character - the hookah-smoking caterpillar. I loved him in the book and I loved him on screen too. Quite superbly done! I guess the film-makers here didn't have too much to do in the way of designing the characters - they definitely used the original John Tenniel illustrations as templates for these characters.

You know, if they release a "Making of .." book, I'm going to have to buy it.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.131.110.123
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:27 pm:   

Weber - you mean you don't like Matt Lucas?

He was good in Catterick, an amazing show.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:44 pm:   

I would happily forcefeed matt Lucas his own intestines. There is no person I find more annoying on the planet - and I've seen Ricky gervais and Roy Chubby Brown do stand up comedy (separately, not on the same bill).

He doesn't even need to open his mouth and my hackles start to rise. If I hear his voice I get angry. If I don't switch the TV over within 10 seconds when he comes on, I'm in a bad mood for at least a day. I can't stand him.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.131.110.123
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:46 pm:   

I was being sarky! :-)
I know what you mean - he feels hollow, doesn't he? Like a chatty, unreal zombie. Or possessed by a canary.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:56 pm:   

I still say the other one is far more irritating... a smug prat.

I can't bear him.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.131.110.123
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 03:59 pm:   

Ah, kill 'em both.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 05:18 pm:   

You don't want to kill them. I think the fate meted out to the sloth victim in se7en is appropriate justice for their contribution to society.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2010 - 05:40 pm:   

>>I know what you mean - he feels hollow, doesn't he? Like a chatty, unreal zombie. Or possessed by a canary.<<

Perhaps that's why he plays Tweeledum/Tweedledee so well?

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