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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 02:57 pm:   

Rather than blur the paranormal thread again, I'll put this here:

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2009/01/psychic-joe-power-wrong-about-shannon _matthews.html

It does seem very specific, and would suggest that Derren Brown was remarkably - one might say admirably - gentle in his investigation.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.102.64
Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 06:58 pm:   

This chap seems to less able to read a room than an average empathetic person might be.
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Matthew Fryer (Matthew_fryer)
Username: Matthew_fryer

Registered: 08-2009
Posted From: 90.202.180.152
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 09:57 am:   

It was very gentle, all things considered. A clever move. It let the so-called psychic's failings speak for themselves, so Derren himself emerged looking fair and sensible, rather than the aggressor. Power emerged a whining charlatan.
I enjoyed his downfall immensely. As Derren said, although they might offer comfort, such fakes rob the deceased of respect, and the bereaved of dignity.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.129.15
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 11:23 am:   

And make us less scared of popping our clogs.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 11:49 am:   

I'm guessing you're teasing, Tony, at least where the likes of Mr Power are concerned. My own death looms, but the existence of people like him makes no difference to it.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
Username: Mark_lynch

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 88.108.199.218
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 12:19 pm:   

I thought Brown was gentle and considerate, and yup, the Powers guy did reveal himself to anyone able to see him without blinkers. Powers did that thing so many "psychics" do when they feel caught out. Blamed the person who's unconvinced of their brilliance, and then accused them of trying to make fools out of the people who believe in the 'psychic'. It's a cunning, underhand move, of course. It makes it an "us and them" thing. And I've experienced this myself, the anger and hurt people aim toward you when you show a 'psychic' to be a fraud. It's sincere and dreadful pain they feel. And that is what Powers and his lot must take responsibility for.
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
Username: Mark_lynch

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 88.108.199.218
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   

Mind you, compared to Derek Acorah, as Harry Hill points out . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyy12n1z_c
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.31.165.34
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 12:43 pm:   

>>>and then accused them of trying to make fools out of the people who believe in the 'psychic'.

Simon Cowell did the same in a recent interview in defence of all the shit he produces.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.17.252.126
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 12:50 pm:   

You've got me interested to watch this now as I love seeing charlatans hoist by their own petard but could never warm to Randi's overly smug, stage-managed aggression in any of his TV exposés. If Derren Brown just sits back and lets parasites like Joe Power (why do they all look like used car salesmen) sink themselves then more power to him!

But no matter how many fake psychics or paranormal frauds are exposed that still should not be used as "proof" that all is explicable and human knowledge has no limitations...
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 01:32 pm:   

I agree, Stevie.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.71.138
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 01:37 pm:   

"I'm guessing you're teasing, Tony, at least where the likes of Mr Power are concerned. My own death looms, but the existence of people like him makes no difference to it."

It makes contemplating my death worse when there exists the possibility that a psychic might presume to speak for me when I'm gone.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 01:39 pm:   

Bugger, I wish you hadn't said that! Still, I'll creep in an incomplete and ungainly shape behind any that do.
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Frank (Frank)
Username: Frank

Registered: 09-2008
Posted From: 85.222.86.72
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 01:40 pm:   

There has to be a paranormal link between all the 'shit that Simon Cowell' produces, there's no other possible explanation (:
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.137.237
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 02:02 pm:   

"Bugger, I wish you hadn't said that! Still, I'll creep in an incomplete and ungainly shape behind any that do."

You can always give a password to friends and family. ("He's saying something about 'a load of bollocks'. Does that mean anything to you?")
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Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels)
Username: Mark_samuels

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.145.226.3
Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2010 - 04:15 pm:   

The absolutely useless author Richard Staines (in his non-fiction opus My Wife was Satan's Slut) touched on this subject:

Before it happened to me, I didn’t believe in all that devil worship stuff either. But I must advise my readers not to mess around with the Secret Art. If your wife gets invited to something like “Women’s Lib Discussion Group”, "Weightwatchers", “Peckham Campaign for Solidarity with South Africa” or “Female Poetry Workshop” I strongly advise against letting her go. There are dangers of a very real nature in dabbling with things we don’t understand.

Mark S.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.129.15
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 11:19 am:   

I've just been reading about a doctor who became inexplicably psychic in later life. It knocked him for six, and has completely changed his attitude about the world. It was one of the most convincing articles I've ever read on the subject.
But yes, I was teasing. A bit....
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.31.165.34
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 01:38 pm:   

This doctor - he didn't drive a Tardis, did he?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 01:45 pm:   

And get himself into contrived scrapes and skirmishes?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.31.165.34
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:14 pm:   

While acting in a Kooky manner.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:17 pm:   

With an abundance of rather irritating jaunty quirks.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.31.165.34
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:21 pm:   

None of whom is, thankfully, Pauline.

Catherine Tate was bad enough without another "funny woman" getting involved. I mean, where next? Dawn French? Ruby Wax? Janet Brown?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:25 pm:   

Bella Emberg would be my guess.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:34 pm:   

With an abundance of rather irritating jaunty quirks.

See quote from the last ep I put on the Dr Who thread
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
Username: Jonathan

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.143.178.131
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:50 pm:   

"Catherine Tate was bad enough without another "funny woman" getting involved."

Tate was an actress before she took up comedy. I thought she was actually rather good in WHO.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.31.165.34
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 02:58 pm:   

I was just joshing, squire.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 03:16 pm:   

Here's Joe Power trying to explain the Mini incident on the Derren Brown show. Hilarious. His interview starts about an hour into this broadcast, which is archived until tomorrow afternoon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p007pjns/Billy_Butler_11_05_2010/
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 10:45 pm:   

The Mini explanation comes at 1.09 into the Billy Butler show. Do remember that Mr Power's precise words to Claire Cooper were "Did you have a Mini?"
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.212.55
Posted on Monday, May 17, 2010 - 11:58 pm:   

It's amazing how he manages to blame everything for his failure, including HOLLYOAKS!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.212.55
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 12:04 am:   

These guys are becoming more repellent - this week's baddie berates a wheelchair-bound teenager for being lazy.

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