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     Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.72 |
http://horror.about.com/b/2010/07/02/hostel-part-iii-begins-shooting-in-august.h tm?nl=1 | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Huzzah! I love the Hostel films, and don't care who knows it.  (However, from the synopsis this one sounds crap). | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
'Hostel' is one film I absolutely hated. After a brilliantly persuasive build-up it completely lost the plot, turning into one of the most boringly OTT and far-fetched loads of old blood-spattered nonsense of recent years. Would you have went back after what you'd just witnessed? And those street kids, I mean, as if... First third great, rest of the movie complete bollocks! I couldn't be arsed even watching the sequel. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I think it's a masterpiece. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.170.180.44 |
I like Hostel 1. Uncomfy but so well crafted, I think, and yes, scary, but more, sort of meaningful. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I came out of it feeling really angry at such a wasted opportunity. If only they'd kept it lean and believable, as in the first third, it could have been very special indeed. I blamed Tarantino's influence for letting things get way out of hand. Take the ending, he even had to run into the same bloke on the train just to tie everything up nicely with a spot of payback - things like that really bug the hell out of me. Should have kept it low-key disturbing, like 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre', now that's how to do "ordeal horror" properly imho. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
Don't like Eli Wroth (is that how it's spelt) at all I'm afraid. I don't mind brutal films but there's brutal and then there's just horror porn. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Hostel isn't even brutal - it's cartoonish. Great fun. The sequel is even better. You want brutal, you go to Gaspar Noe; you want fun bloodletting with a cocky attitude, you go to Eli Roth.  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Hostel is the modern-day counterpart of Turkey Shoot. Lovely unwholesome stuff with a broad message to boot... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.170.180.44 |
Eli Roth sounds like a nice chap to be honest. Hostel was much less horrible than I expected it to be. But yeah, the man in the loo bit did feel a bit forced. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I had the same problems with 'Cabin Fever'. Good opening build-up frittered away on daft, poorly directed OTT nonsense imho. | ||
| Tom_alaerts (Tom_alaerts) Username: Tom_alaerts Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.78.35.185 |
I liked Eli Roth in "Inglorious Basterds". I don't particularly care for the movies he directs, though... | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I loved 'Inglourious Basterds'. Tarantino can get away with OTT nonsense (most of the time) because he's a damn fine director. What part did Eli Roth play? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.170.180.44 |
Baseball bat guy. He's quite handsome, too. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
Eli Roth was responsible for almost the lowest point in The Book of Lists: Horror, and by God he had some competition. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
What was it, Ramsey? | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.72 |
Ramsey - what's The Book of Lists: Horror? | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
It's this, Frank: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Lists-Spine-tingling-Hair-raising-Blood-curdling/dp /0061537268/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278593987&sr=1-1 And Zed, Roth's contribution was a celebration of his ten favourite genital mutilations in movies. The one point of interest, if you can call it that, is that he apparently thinks breasts are genitals. Maybe that explains something. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Yeah, he does seem a bit stupid. Like an eager puppy. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.131.166 |
It's like he seems smart, but for some reason there's a little gulf to the outside of himself he can't quite breach. He's ok. He comes across as being nice in interviews. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.158.238.131 |
I loved Cabin fever, didn't mind Hostel, absolutely hated Hostel 2.... Would have liked Hostel 2 a lttle more if they had simply tortured the female lead to death rather than letting her join the gang which was just stupid really. gcw | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.170.177.56 |
There's one I don't need to see! | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 217.171.129.73 |
I ordered The Book of Lists: Horror in to my shop and somebody stole it. Probably the same person that stole all the Edward Lees. Anyway, I did buy a bunch of books based on the strength of Ramsey's list. | ||
| Paul_finch (Paul_finch) Username: Paul_finch Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 92.9.132.151 |
Most eye-opening bit in HOSTEL was surely where the killers' recruiting agent in Amsterdam suddenly showed up for no obvious reason in eastern Europe - and, lo and behold, was perfectly framed on a level crossing, in company with the two evil girls - just at the right time for the hero to appear in his getaway car. If only any one of us writers on this forum could get away with a plot-twist as contrived as that. Ruined the whole film for me, though, to be fair, it started going downhill when it jettisoned suspense in favour of full gloss gore. Never bothered with the sequel, and won't bother with the one after that. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.142.59 |
'.......started going downhill when it jettisoned suspense in favour of full gloss gore. Never bothered with the sequel, and won't bother with the one after that.' I really don't want to watch these films at all. How bad can another Hostel film get? | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Saw 'Cabin Fever' and wasn't overly impressed. Done to death and cynical- misanthropy sans integrity. Not seen 'Hostel'. Doesn't sound like I'd like it. Given my loathing of films like 'Wolf Creek', I'm not sure I want to risk wasting an hour and a half of my life in the vague hope of being proven wrong. 'Inglorious Bastards' was two films, I thought. One was a fairly fresh and intelligent attempt at an offbeat WWII thriller, the other an insulting catalogue of ugly-minded shit apparently written and directed by a sadistic 14 year old. These were usually the scenes in which Eli Roth appeared. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
I loved Hostel and have watched it several times. I hated Hostel 2 and watched it twice to confirm that opinion. Mr Roth himself does come across as an unpleasant teenager in interviews so maybe the first Hostel was a fluke. Nevertheless I shall be there to watch Hostel 3 & I'm already hoping Nathan Barr does another excellent score - the soundtracks to the first two Hostel films are the best horror movie music in years | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Hostel is hugely flawed and downright silly in spots but I absolutely love it - in spite of the OTT bit with the American psycho overacting with the "cool" dialogue about how he's going to kill the girl. **rolls eyes** That's the one bit I felt Tarantino had too much say in and it spoiled what could have otherwise been a chilling moment for me. My brother showed me the film on DVD one night and I just remember so many fun moments as I watched it. "Hey, that's Willow's Song! Hey, that's Českż Krumlov! I was just there!" So I think of it as a kind of guilty pleasure. One that always makes me smile. Hostel 2 was a major disappointment, although I did enjoy the cameo by Edwige Fenech and the fantastic Erzebet Bathory segment. The rest of the movie is rubbish. As His Lordship says, the music is stunning (esp. part 2) and well worth the listen. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Ooohh... RCMB doesn't like Czech diacriticals. That's meant to say Cesky Krumlov. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
Simon, I hated 'Hostel' for all the reasons you stated but was hugely impressed with 'Wolf Creek' because it happened to be directed by someone who understood the Hitchcockian mechanics of pure suspense. For me it is the best ordeal horror movie made since 'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre' and rests easily in my Top 10 Horrors of the last decade. Reminds me... I must get to see 'Rogue'. | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 217.171.129.70 |
Talking of "ordeal" movies, what should I see that I may have missed? Other than Texas Chainsaw, I saw Wolf Creek at the cinema, "by mistake" as Withnail might have said, and found it extremely fucking harrowing. I still struggle to justify the movie. Maybe the experience was intensified by my wife literally sobbing with horror next to me, crying "I can't stand it any more, I just want them to die", but the fact that, in the end credits, I saw they'd inflicted these imagined human degradations on some real young people that went missing, I found morally dubious to say the least. Still, I can't deny it's a relentless and horribly effective bit of movie-making. I also saw Eden Lake, which I thought was just as intense, but a better film too. Recently I watched a French movie about some kids going climbing in Croatia. High Lane, I think it was called. It had its moments but was a bit shit. So what should I see? What's worth a look? | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Patrick, if you fancy a properly intense movie experience then I can't recommend any movie more highly than Ruggero Deodato's Cannibal Holocaust. I've just seen it for the second time and it really is a classic of the genre. The Region 1 Grindhouse DVD also has an 'animal cruelty free' option if you don't fancy going all the way  | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Martyrs has to be the single most gruelling "ordeal" movie I've ever seen. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
I have to concur with 'Cannibal Holocaust'. Also 'The Last House On The Left', 'Night Train Murders', 'Island Of Death', 'I Spit On Your Grave', 'Driller Killer', 'The Toolbox Murders', 'Ms 45', 'The House On The Edge Of The Park' & more recently 'Audition', 'Freezer' & 'Antichrist' are pretty damn gruelling. | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 217.171.129.68 |
I had a vhs copy of Cannibal Holocaust, uncut, monkey-murder and turtle-killing intact, and I ebayed it for silly money after seeing it once. I'd quite like to see it again. I assume it's still not available uncut on Region 2? | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
The UK Region 2 DVD is cut by about 10 minutes, Patrick! | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 91.103.168.21 |
I'm amazed there's 10 minutes' worth of material they felt the need to cut from that movie. Other than the animal killings, what's removed? | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
No idea, but the running time on the Region 2 disk is 86 minutes, and the Grindhouse version we watched the other night is 96! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
The entire "Last Road to Hell" sequence is removed from the R2 cut, along with some trimming the gore scenes. I love all the films mentioned above. But I'm a knob.  | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 217.171.129.73 |
If anyone can supply me with a dvdr copy of Cannibal Holocaust or any of the various other "unavailable" films that have been mentioned I'd not only be eternally grateful but would also be more than happy to lend out any of my own dvds or old vhs which folk may not have - I'm unable to copy them myself, I'm afraid. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
The uncut Cannibal Holocaust is available for about a tenner...I bought a copy a month ago. Unfortunately, I'm unable to copy discs, too. Sorry, mate. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
We got our version from amazon.com, although you'll need a multi-region or region-free DVD player for it: http://www.amazon.com/Cannibal-Holocaust-Robert-Kerman/dp/B000C4BBXY/ref=sr_1_2? ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1278937910&sr=1-2 | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Ditto! | ||
| Patrick Walker (Patrick_walker) Username: Patrick_walker Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 217.171.129.73 |
Well, I know I'd have no trouble getting this stuff from Amazon or ebay or wherever, but it all adds up doesn't it. Particularly when one's wish-list is as long as mine. I mean I can't even afford Season 7 of Curb Your Enthusiasm and that's at the top of my priority list! Regardless of whether anyone's able to copy films for me, the offer still stands regarding my willingness to loan my own films out; as tiny as my collection is compared to many. Thanks anyway though, guys! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I hear you, brother - it does all add up to a pretty penny. I wish I could copy some of mine for you, but I don't have the technology. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
Patrick, I feel your pain... my inability to afford Season 7 of 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' right now now is like torture. I haven't seen any of it, hear it's arguably the funniest series yet(!!) and am a diehard 'Seinfeld' fan. By the way, I thought 'Whatever Works' was Larry David in just as brilliant form as anything in 'Curb'. In the meantime I'm entertaining myself with both series of 'Nighty Night' & 'Saxondale' (£5 each) - marvellous comedy. |