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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 06:12 pm:   

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jul/12/nhs-white-paper-shake-up

And anyone looking to be treated by the NHS, start praying. Once these proposals come in... they say there's a postcode lottery now!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:20 am:   

68000 admin staff to be put on the dole queue.

151 PCT's and 10 SHA's to be closed and replaced by 500 GP led consortiums (consortia?) to reduce bureaucracy. The NHS will no longer be run by the state but by 500 private consortiums (consortia?)... GP practices are all privately owned so the people who run them are not state employees - but these people will be in cahrge of the NHS.

fan fucking tastic

The one thing Labour were doing well was running the NHS.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:40 am:   

Are you suprised? i'm not. The Tory Toffs hate the NHS as much as they hate those of us poor enough to use it.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:48 am:   

Fuckers. Fuckers fuckers fuckers. Fuck them. Fuck every stupid brainwashed retarded cunt scumbag who voted for them. FUCK THOSE TORY BASTARDS.

And kill every single one of the bastards. And then burn the corpses. And piss on the ashes.

Not surprised. Just fucking furious.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:49 am:   

I'm scared more than anything - been here less than 2 years. I'm not going to get any kind of decent redundancy package this time. I really need to jump ship before it sinks - but I'm shit at interviews - took me 6 months of looking to get this job.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:50 am:   

Sorry. Had a bad morning. Can you tell?

Btw, for the benefit of any coppers monitoring this thread- THE ABOVE WAS A JOKE AND I AM NOT GOING TO KILL ANY TORY MPS.

Just felt the need to post that after that guy lost his job and got a criminal record after joking about blowing up an airport on Twitter.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:50 am:   

Weber, I'm sorry mate. Drop us a line if you want to go for a pint.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 11:52 am:   

You think you've had a bad morning? I found out from the BBC news yesterday that I'm going to lose my job. Kind of puts a dampener on your week
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 12:49 pm:   

Aw, sorry Weber. You might be OK you know - I guess you haven't been told for sure that you're losing your job? They might do things like redeployment, etc. Hope it goes OK for you.

I reckon the new GP-run NHS will make it even more difficult for people like me - with so-called "invisible" illness/disability - to get useful treatment. It's pretty bad on that score already. Not sure I agree that Labour were running the NHS well - from my point of view it was pretty hopeless even then.

I really do fear for this country now, with the huge cuts in every aspect of public finance which are going to be necessary. It's going to be the most vulnerable who suffer more - the ill, the disabled, the poor, the elderly, etc, etc.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 01:00 pm:   

Bupa sold it's hospital arm off about 4 years ago because the NHS was providing a good enough service that people weren't going private. The NHS was treating the majority of cases well enough that the private sector was suffering as a result.

What we're seeing here is the Tories reversing that trend. It's a clear backdoor privatisation - and it'll be a fucking disaster.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 01:31 pm:   

Ah, I'm probably seeing a different side to it - or perhaps things are different over this side of the Pennines.

In recent years, when I've been referred for certain things - eg. pain clinic, endoscopy, etc - they've been done at two local PRIVATE clinics, although on the NHS. In both cases everything has been so much smoother than when I have to go to the local NHS hospital (like I do for my eye problems) - ie. less waiting time for an appointment to see someone, more comfortable surroundings, less waiting time in the place itself, and generally a far better experience.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing the NHS or advocating privatising the service. I'm just saying that my experience of NHS treatment in private clinics has been far better than when I have to go to that crumbling wreck which is my local hospital. We definitely seem to be seeing an expansion of the private sector over here as one of these private clinics I go to in particular has just had a massive building/expansion programme on the go. I wonder if it's different in different parts of the country?
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 01:44 pm:   

BUPA sold 31 hospitals, from London to Edinburgh.

It was part of my job when I worked for BUPA (and Spire as it became) to build in the pricing tables and contracts with any organisation that provided patients. That included the NHS. I know (knew) virtually every detail of how and why the contracts between the NHS and BUPA/Spire worked.

If you've been seen at a private hospital, it's still technically NHS treatment.

They're putting you in the first available clinic (unless you used your patient choice to go to the private hospital) and if that's at a local Nuffield or Spire hospital, so be it. Believe me, they pay bucketloads of cash to get you in there. Something they're not going to have when it's GP led consortia running the show...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 03:20 pm:   

>>Believe me, they pay bucketloads of cash to get you in there. Something they're not going to have when it's GP led consortia running the show...<<

Good point. So I guess it'll be back to the crumbling wreck of a local hospital then? Ah well, it was good while it lasted ...
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 03:28 pm:   

Profit led GP consortia - which could in theory go bankrupt as the white paper states no bailout for consortia that overspend...

If you live in a poor area, in theory all your GP consortia would be hard pushed to stay within their assigned budgets and could go bankrupt. Then you'd have no GP's in your area at all.

Good system this innit.
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.110.156.17
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 12:13 am:   

Let's not underestimate the scale and seriousness of this policy. It is the end of the NHS as a publicly-owned provider of healthcare. The ConDems are deleting the infrastructure of public ownership and health provision, reducing the NHS to the role of a tax-funded health insurer like Medicare in the USA. One of the grestest achievements of postwar British democracy has been decapitated. The Lib Dems could have stopped this if they had not been so desperate for power as to climb into bed with a Tory government determined to destroy the public sector. The fact that they helped the Tories to do this means that the coalition cannot be judged anything other than sickeningly wrong.

If this is going to be stopped we cannot expect the craven Lib Dems to help. Nor, in all honesty, can we expect much from New Labour, who groomed the NHS for privatisation with their 'market reforms'. Decisive action must come from the trade unions and the people through a general strike, through national demonstrations, through a level of protest that has never been seen before in this country. Don't wait, get involved now. Write to your MP, contact your local community organisations, talk to your union if you are in one, get ready to fight for the NHS. Unless, of course, you don't think it's worth fighting for.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 03:04 pm:   

www.dh.gov.uk/liberatingthenhs
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.17.252.126
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 03:11 pm:   

I'm so deeply depressed and frightened at this news, confirming all my worst expectations, that I can't even summon the energy to rant about it.

Joel is right, as ever. I've said this before but prepare yourselves for scenes of public protest, civil disobedience and street violence right across the UK, and the rest of Europe, worse than anything we saw in Greece recently - that was merely a taster. Just our luck to be living in interesting times...

Sorry to hear about your job, Weber. I'm waiting to hear similar news anytime soon. We all know it's only a matter of "when" not "if" in our place. I'm admin in the NI Science Service carrying out Agricultural & Food Research - so we haven't a mission of surviving when even the frontline services are being decimated.

Time to start stockpiling those tins...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:12 pm:   

Me too. I've already lost a couple of previously regular freelancing jobs because of cut-backs in higher education funding. It's not only the NHS we need to worry about, I fear. Funding cuts are going to cause dreadful hardship for the most vulnerable, and have a terrible knock-on effect for the future of the country.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 82.38.75.85
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:36 pm:   

By the way, have any of you seen this site:
http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/

Apparently, they're asking *us* how they can save money. At one point on that board there were some absolutely awful suggestions - mainly racist and anti-disabled. I think they've started to moderate the board a bit more now.

I was quite pleased when the LibDems joined with the Cons for this government. I mistakenly thought they might have a moderating effect on the tories. How mistaken I was!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:40 pm:   

I hate to say I told you so...but I did.
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.110.250.247
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 09:42 am:   

Weber sorry, I didn't realise you meant that literally about losing your job, as opposed to being likely to lose it when the 'reforms' come in. I'm very sorry to hear that.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 02:38 pm:   

The Improved National Health Service.

The British Medical Association has weighed in on the new Prime Minister David Cameron's health care proposals.

The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had a sort of a gut feeling about it, but the neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

The Obstetricians felt they were all labouring under a misconception.

Ophthalmologists considered the idea short-sighted.

Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Paediatricians said, "Oh, Grow up!"

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.

Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.

The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter...."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

The Anaesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the ar**holes in London
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Skip (Wolfnoma)
Username: Wolfnoma

Registered: 07-2010
Posted From: 216.54.20.98
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 04:44 pm:   

Glad to see that the citizens of the U.S. aren't the only ones unhappy with their leadership!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.55
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 06:18 pm:   

We've got a far better reason than you have. at least you've not got Brain Dead Bush any more. Your leadership has improved considerably.

Ours has gone from poor to fucking dreadful.

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