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     Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.23.91.114 |
Dear all, I'm delighted to announce the table of contents for this splendid and worthy new anthology: http://www.grayfriarpress.com/catalogue/neveragain.html Preorders are also now being taken and the book will be launched at FCon in September. Best wishes -- Gary F www.grayfriarpress.com | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.69.75 |
I hope this does really well, Gary. I raise a glass to all of those involved. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.23.91.114 |
Never mind raising a glass. Give us ya cash.  Cheers, Proto. | ||
| Thomasb (Thomasb) Username: Thomasb Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 69.236.180.174 |
I will be looking forward to it. Hopefully, my economic situation, quite poor right now, will have improved by then. In an odd coincidence, one of the authors has the same name as one of the main characters in my novel "Dragon's Ark" (due out this fall from Ambler House). | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.182.226.237 |
Good stuff - I'll pick up a copy at FCon. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.13.97 |
Why isn't my name up there?... Hey, was I blacklisted, and no one told me?... (stir stir stir - zip!) | ||
| Skunsworth (Skunsworth) Username: Skunsworth Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 92.16.23.237 |
We all hate you Craig. Didn't you know? This is looking really very good, I think. Can't wait to read everyone else's contributions S | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
Give it a rest, Craig. I mean it. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Ally and Joel - how come you don't have stories of your own in here? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
I really want to say they weren't invited but I think I'd be in trouble if I did so i won't. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
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| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.252.158 |
Whoops - thought we were at the can-look-back-and-laugh-at-it-all-now stage, but... okay, bad bad-joke... my bad.... ("my bad" - must remember to include that in the "Words You Hate" thread) | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Kate – we already had more good stuff than we could include, so couldn't justify squeezing out other people's stories to make way for our own. Gary, Ally and I could all have contributed, but we agreed not to. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Craig, 'my bad' is a California-speak expression that can't wholly be condemned, since it has such distinguished adherents as Buffy Summers and Michael Stipe. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Makes sense, Joel. I just suddenly realised you guys were in the TOC and wondered why. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.129.71 |
We had many stories that came back to us that we couldn't get in but I hope and am confident that the stories we've put in are a powerful example of what our genre has to offer. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.179.61.177 |
Volume 2, in time for FCon 2011? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.129.71 |
Mmm...now, there is a thought. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.23.91.114 |
NEVER AGAIN AGAIN ? | ||
| Skunsworth (Skunsworth) Username: Skunsworth Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 92.16.46.5 |
NEVER AGAIN 2: NOT AGAIN! S | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.208.112.244 |
This anthology looks great. Can't wait to read the stories. Hope it does well. | ||
| Ian Alexander Martin (Iam) Username: Iam Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 64.180.64.74 |
Never Again II: Maybe Just This Once…? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.122.107.152 |
Never say Never Again. I've been dying to say that. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I think it's great that Joel and Ally restrained themselves from putting their own stories in the book. That sounds like a swipe, but I don't mean it like that -- what I mean is that there's something slightly distasteful about editors including their own material. Plenty of writers I admire have edited anthologies and have included their own work -- Brian Aldiss in the recent Penguin SF anthology, for instance -- a superb anthology, superbly edited, and a superb story by the superb Aldiss -- and yet I still found it slightly distasteful. I do emphaise the slightly. Ten out of ten therefore to Ally and Joel for showing admirable restraint; and if I ever end up editing an anthology of my own one day, let me keep their example uppermost in my mind and NOT include one of my own pieces. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Interesting, Rhys, but I've never agreed. If I pick up an anthology edited by someone I like I'm disappointed if they don't have a story of their own in it. It feels like a peculiar omission to me. Of course I applaud Ally's and Joel's (and Gary F's) reasons for not including stories of their own but I'm sorry they're not in it. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Fair enough, Kate. As the saying goes: different strokes, different kinds of vessel on sundry liquid mediums... One thing I do disapprove of, though, is when editors feel they have to use a pseudonym when including their own pieces -- as if it's a stealth submission. The great Mike Moorcock (an author of genius) sometimes did this, alas, accepting pieces by "James Colvin" (and vice versa) when he knew all along it was himself. Tut tut, I say! | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 213.122.209.76 |
Awww... My assumption would be that they wanted to include a story but felt funny about being editor AND contributor. But I can be naive.  | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
The great Mike Moorcock (an author of genius) sometimes did this, alas, accepting pieces by "James Colvin" (and vice versa) when he knew all along it was himself. Tut tut, I say! True, but some of the "Colvin" stories were co-written with James Cawthorne weren't they? Either way I had always assumed Moorcock was trying to fill up New Worlds and didn't always have enough stories! | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
Also compare and contrast Nick Pacione printing Lloyd Phillip Campbell stories. How he thinks that anyone doesn't recognise his style of writing is incredible. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
"The great Mike Moorcock (an author of genius) sometimes did this, alas, accepting pieces by "James Colvin" (and vice versa) when he knew all along it was himself." The 'vice versa' is intriguing. Did selling stories to James Colvin lead Michael Moorcock to suspect that JC was himself, because of the similar handwriting? Or was it James Colvin who blew MM's cover? Or was there a traumatic confrontation in what appeared to be a doorway but was in fact a mirror? | ||
| Steveduffy (Steveduffy) Username: Steveduffy Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 86.156.197.111 |
The first eight or so Fontana "Great Ghost Stories" anthos would have been measurably poorer for not including stories by their editor, Robert Aickman. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
The first eight or so Fontana "Great Ghost Stories" anthos would have been measurably poorer for not including stories by their editor, Robert Aickman. Indeed, and yet apparently someone wrote in one year and complained and so the next year's volume had no Aickman story. Fortunately rather more people wrote in and complained about that so his tales were reinstated the year after, up to when Fontana kicked him off the series (I think, although if anyone knows better feel free to correct me) in favour of the more popular R Chetwynd-Hayes who was ordered to up the number of contemporary authors and perhaps tellingly never selected an Aickman story for the rest of the series | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.255.44 |
If an anthology is on a theme (like fascism) then I say it's perfectly fine, and welcome, for the editor to include his or her own work. But "best of the year"s I'm not so sure. Didn't Lin Carter, for example, include his own stories in the DAW's "Year's Best Fantasy Stories" he edited? Something a bit arrogant about that, imho. But I'm also not sure if I should feel it is, or not.... | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Yes, I think it's problematic for an editor to include his/her work when the book is flagged as 'Best' or 'Great' or the like. No matter how good that work might be. Though of course, any reasonably talented writer will produce stories that match his/her own criteria of quality, making them irresistible to the author as editor. Just say no is the answer, I think. Of course, co-edited anthologies allow for a valid selection process in which no editor is selecting his/her own work. But we decided simply to keep the space clear for other contributors. We were turning down too much good work for any other approach to be viable. | ||
| Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains) Username: Johnny_mains Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 82.22.75.99 |
Heya John, just got off the phone from Mary Danby and as she was chief editor at Fontana (she had just finished 7th Fontana Great Horror Book) when Aickman left. She has this to say: There was no drama involving Aickman's departure and it certainly had nothing to do with RCH and he wasn't fired. He just didn't want to do the books any more, they were something that weren't that important to him. Hope this helps Johnny x | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.190.184 |
Thanks, Johnny. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
> Did selling stories to James Colvin lead Michael Moorcock to suspect that JC was himself, because of the similar handwriting? Or was it James Colvin who blew MM's cover? All I can say, Joel, is that if I was editing an anthology under an assumed name -- let's say my pseudonym is Pigwinder Bratbat and the anthology is a collection of bakery-themed stories entitled WHERE THE TART IS -- and I received a submission from myself using my real name, then I would surely frown as I started reading it. The style, content and dynamic of the submission would gradually lead me to suspect that I was the author. I would find this dodgy. Imagine that I accepted the piece anyway. Years later I am editing another anthology under my real name (this new anthology is a collection of bartering-themed stories entitled WHERE THE MART IS) and I received a submission from Pigwinder Bratbat. If I chose to accept it for my anthology I wouldn't say this was a case of innocent editorial business. No, I'd be more inclined to say it was a case of auto-mutual backscratching (self-symbiosis, if you prefer...) You all know the saying: "I'll scratch my back; and I'll scratch mine." Yes, I do understand that joining a clique and networking is often a helpful strategy for an aspiring writer, but to join a clique with yourself? To network with yourself?? That turns individualism into a group activity! | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.252.27 |
Rhys, if you'd been single for as (that's enough self-pity - ed.) | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Single for as? What's that? | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
You mean you missed a double entendre? Surely not. But let's move on. No joke is funny when explained. especially when it was never funny to begin with. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.129.71 |
Just a little info on one of the organizations we want to raise money for... http://www.sophielancasterfoundation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=artic le&id=8&Itemid=2 The more we sell the more we help. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
I got your joke Joel - and I did think it was funny. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Simon Marshall Jones has been kind enough to put something together with me asking the authors about the stories in the anthology... Part One this week http://simonmarshalljones.wordpress.com/ Part Two with all the other contributors coming soon. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Great! | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
And this out from Amnesty International today... http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/afghan-couple-stoned-death-taleban-20 10-08-16 | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Emails have just gone out to all contributors.... The launch of NEVER AGAIN will be at 2.pm. on the Saturday of Fantasycon. 'Thank you so much for taking part in the project. It means so much to all involved and I’m very proud to be a part of it. Your stories are powerful and I’ve been lucky enough to edit or read through them all in the last months. Hope as many of you as possible will be at the launch.' | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Zed. I've sent it to the other email that we chat on so I hope you see it here before I trawl for the other email..... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
My work email? That's fine, Ally - I'll see it on Monday. But I'll be there for the launch, anyway. Wouldn't dream of missing it | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Who will be there at the launch? Publisher...Gary Fry. Editors Joel Lane and Allyson Bird. Artist Dani Serra is coming over from Italy. I'm hoping but not sure yet that the following contributors will be there... Ramsey Campbell Lisa Tuttle Stephen Volk Rob Shearman Rosanne Rabinowitz David Sutton Simon Kurt Unsworth Carole Johnstone Steve Duffy Thana Niveau Andrew Hook Alison Littlewood Simon Bestwick Nina Allan Gary McMahon Ray Russell Tony Richards That is quite a wonderful line up! | ||
| Steveduffy (Steveduffy) Username: Steveduffy Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 86.156.197.111 |
Shan't be there, sadly - I had planned to attend, but the best part of five weeks flat on my back with a chest infection kind of put a dent in my earning power this summer, and something had to give. Never mind - the signing table will be quite full enough! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.31.8.83 |
Hoep you're OK, Steve. Nasty infection, that sounds like. | ||
| Steveduffy (Steveduffy) Username: Steveduffy Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 86.156.197.111 |
Much better now, thanks, Gary! (In fact, I've just done a full day's gardening for the first time since June.) But watch out folks, there's something nasty doing the rounds, and I don't just mean Zed. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.147.219 |
I'll definitely be there!  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Whaaaaat? You won't be at FCon, Duffy? I'm gutted. Was really looking forward to having a drink with you.  | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Sorry to hear that you won't be there, Steve. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Hope to catch up with you before the next Fantasycon! | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Here is the permanent link to Part One story notes for NEVER AGAIN. http://simonmarshalljones.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/never-again-anthology-story-n otes-part-one/ Part Two will be going up on the Simon Marshall-Jones blog toorrow. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.228.88 |
Sorry you're unwell, Steve. Take it easy. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.158.238.131 |
And I was so looking forward to discussing 'Don't Stand Me Down' with you Steve!  Take care. gcw | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Part Two...mentioning the influences behind the stories. http://simonmarshalljones.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/never-again-anthology-story-n otes-part-two/ | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
If anyone could link to Parts One and Two on their blogs and anywhere they think suitable I'd be very grateful. | ||
| Steveduffy (Steveduffy) Username: Steveduffy Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 86.156.197.111 |
Joel, GCW, Gags, Ally, et al - thanks so much for your kind words! I'm feeling much, much better now, thanks, and may even (I only say MAY) consider leaving off the cigs on a permanent basis, after my forced cold-turkey this last month or so. It's just a shame that the financial side of things was affected by my enforced inactivity... but on the other hand, I did finish one new story, and have two more almost done! ...Actually, scrub that bit about the cigs. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.158.238.131 |
No man, ditch 'em. You had a good run, but chest infection worked for me, and I ain't smoked in 2 years. just imagine skipping up the stairs without gasping - It's the best high! Yeah, I still fancy a smoke now & again, but the advantages outweigh the need. gcw. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.142.147.219 |
...Actually, scrub that bit about the cigs. Remember Steve - just keep saying - Never Again  (Well it'll probably help more than saying 'It's Only A Movie') | ||
| Steveduffy (Steveduffy) Username: Steveduffy Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 86.159.109.111 |
That's genuinely touching - thank you, chaps, for the words of wisdom. Mind you, part of me is still slightly nervous at the prospect of having Milord Probert as the good angel whispering in my ear. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.180.45.171 |
We'll definitely miss you at FCon, Steve - get well, get sorted and get publishing! | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
After the spilling of blood, sweat and tears, (less hyperbole Ally....okay....a little stress) the Never Again anthology is coming off the press very soon. Preorders are soooooo helpful to getting the printing costs sorted and then we can be giving money to Amnesty International, PEN and the Sophie Lancaster Fund. It will be launched at Fantasycon on the Saturday at 2p.m. in the main bar. The stories are powerful, extraordinary and incredibly moving. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
I'll be selling NEVER AGAIN for a couple of hours Friday afternoon and Saturday morning as Gary has a lot of work on and can't make it until the Saturday. I'll also have contributor copies for those who want them ahead of the launch. The launch is at 2p.m. Saturday. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Does anyone know what time books go on sale at and when the dealers' room closes...on the Friday? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
I've found out. 4-8p.m. Friday. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Thank you to all who helped to make the launch of Never Again a great success. What a wonderful weekend! Thank you to Joel and Gary! Going to have a very long lie down now | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 62.30.117.235 |
I'm glad it went well. The FantasyCon raffle raised £390 for the Never Again charities. I'll send Gary a cheque for onward distribution of the money just as soon as I've banked all these pound coins... | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
Thank you Stephen! And for all your hard work with the BFS! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.31.223 |
Wow! That's great! Thanks, Stephen. And with the book already in profit, the charity will do well. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Thanks Stephen – that's brilliant news. Thanks to Gary and Ally for their hard work and commitment. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.135.73 |
First review in! http://beyondfiction.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Skunsworth (Skunsworth) Username: Skunsworth Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 92.14.252.204 |
Good review! S | ||
| Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels) Username: Mark_samuels Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 109.157.176.96 |
bump Let's all do our bit for the cause. C'mon everyone, don't be shy. Mark S. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I'm shy -- always have been -- but I'll do my best to plug it anyway. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Rhys - if you're shy, I'm a hermaphrodite. (Is an emoticon really necessary?) | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I am shy in public. Truly. That's why my internet persona is more... robust. It's a simple case of old-fashioned alter ego. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Rhys - sorry, mate. Was only teasing. I know what you mean, most people presume I'm a loud-mouthed, volatile imbecile...wait a minute...no, actually that's correct. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
No worries Frank. I've yet to meet anyone whose internet persona is an exact match for their real persona. Usually it's not even close! | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
You and me both, Rhys. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Is that worrying, or merely expected? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The Internet is a fake form of communication, completely divorced from real life, which is why I always take anything that's said on it with a pinch of salt, avoid getting offended, and strive not to give offence... because I really don't know the person or the affect my words might have on them. It's called self control. In real life I can be an utter shit lol. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
You're right, Steve - the internet is a place of tomfoolery. Which is why I always try to meet folk I know online in person, preferably in a situation involving alcohol. It's my experience that people are much better in real life. But hasn't that always been the case? That's why internet arguments are moronic. Funny. But moronic. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.244.154 |
Yes, cos alcohol doesn't affect anyone in any way similar to the Internet, does it? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
No, because you're right there, in their face. It's funny how many cyber-warriors are meek and mild in real life.  | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 81.152.74.159 |
So meek and mild, in fact, that they're willing to don fishnets and kiss any old bloke sporting an "I'm Agatha Christie's toy-boy" tattoo. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I'm surprised there isn't a free for all Royal Rumble at these conventions you lot frequent (: | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
You don't get good times like that on the internet. Choose life. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Have you just turned into Ewan McGregor (: | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Well, we do have similar hair. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Pubic hair doesn't count. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Which is why I always try to meet folk I know online in person, preferably in a situation involving alcohol. Now you're speaking my language, Zed, it's called Irish! Although, later tonight, after several gallons of FREE GUINNESS, it'll sound more like Swahili. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
I've yet to meet anyone whose internet persona is an exact match for their real persona. Usually it's not even close! I for one have never pretended to be anything I am not in real life. What would be the point? My life is complicated enough as it is. I do try and behave as gentlemanly as possible, something I not always succeed at in real life. | ||
| Skip (Wolfnoma) Username: Wolfnoma Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 216.54.20.98 |
Actually, my internet persona is crazier than I am in real life. | ||
| Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels) Username: Mark_samuels Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.144.41.41 |
This is brilliant. http://http://marksamuels.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/dont-complain-or-you-might-be -banned-from-posting-over-at-the-bfs/ Mark S. | ||
| Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels) Username: Mark_samuels Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.144.41.41 |
Sorry. I'll try that again http://marksamuels.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/dont-complain-or-you-might-be-banned -from-posting-over-at-the-bfs/ Mark S. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Is "bumping" a sexual euphamism? | ||
| Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels) Username: Mark_samuels Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.144.41.41 |
No idea. But it's wonderful to have all my prejudices confirmed. Mark S. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Well, if all you were doing was joshing about by bumping threads, like you've been doing here, I think there's been a massive overreaction. not that my opinion matters, but hey-ho. I still love ya. | ||
| Mark_samuels (Mark_samuels) Username: Mark_samuels Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.144.41.41 |
Ah, call me Donald Wandrei. Yep, that's about the size of it. Nothing more than that over on the BFS threads. I love you too, Zed. Always have. Mark S. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
Bloody hell but that was a mad session, why didn't I book tomo off... urrgh | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Free Guinness, Stevie? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.244.154 |
As I've mentioned before on here, I have a stepson who is now grown up. However, when he was about 11, he went through a stage of what I've come to call playful sadism, which generally involved him antagonising myself and his mother in order to gain attention. This almost always happened in public, at parties at our house and things like that. But he was clever here - he never did anything overtly confrontational. I'll give you an example. Once, when we had family round for a buffet evening, we laid out all the food on the dining table. The lad was told not to touch any until the guests arrived. But sure enough, he was quite soon standing in the kitchen doorway, grinning knowingly, the sleeves of his shirt pulled down to his fingertips. We didn't need to ask him what he was hiding inside his shirt. The point is that it was extremely difficult to respond to this in an appropriate manner, because folk outside our complex familial situation wouldn't have appreciated the context. We'd had months and months of this steady, accumulating, attention-seeking, sublimated, damned-up aggressive behaviour, you see. An explosive reaction would just have looked unwarranted to any onlooking folk. But that is how this made us feel. That is what it often drove us to. It's a very frustrating situation to be in, but we were reassured to realise that the boy would eventually grow out of it and start expressing his unhappiness and neediness in other, more productive ways. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Was Arthur's Day yesterday (why couldn't it have been today... groan) and my local was giving away free Guinness and BBQ grub, I had nine, before I lost the ability to count - that's how we do things over here lol. Pass the alka seltzer, someone. Gary, my wee nephew is going through a phase like that at the minute, questioning every single thing my sister or bro-in-law tell him to do, then questioning the answer, and the one after that, etc, and so on, as if he is willing them to lose their tempers, which they frequently do in the end... he thinks it's hilarious! An intelligent wee bugger, frighteningly so for an 8 year old, he is able to counter their logic every single time, with a superior grin on his face. Amazing and often highly entertaining to watch but not to live with. With any other adult, including his teachers, he is as good as gold, go figure. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Nive pints of Guinness? Respect. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Nine, even. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
THE NEW MODEL ARMY have very kindly said that they will advertise NEVER AGAIN on their website. In appreciation... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3eBqETmxjI&feature=related | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
That would be NEW MODEL ARMY... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
How cool is that I have quite a few albums of theirs somewhere. Excellent. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I sense the hand of Bestwick here...or Joolz Denby? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Good stuff, btw! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
You should target metal music forums, and has anyone contacted the music press? You might be able to blag some copy, or even free ad space, due to the charity aspect. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
I wrote to them following on from a suggestion from someone who emailed privately. Here is the mention...up straight away. http://www.newmodelarmy.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=bl og&id=1&Itemid=58 | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
That's the stuff. And I think Zed has hit on a good way to market this with mention of metal music forums. Actually, Ally, I think I know somebody who might help, just give me a minute or two. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
Good suggestion Zed. I'll try and if anyone else can think of anywhere we can get the news of this anthology spread to let us know. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
Thanks Frank! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Good suggestion Zed I'm not just a shitty face. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.128.251 |
Thank you Frank! That one contact of yours in the music industry has led me to 6 more people, one writes for Kerrang and Classic Rock. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
New Model Army... no, not my doing, but my favourite band of all time. I've just died and gone to heaven. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.180.79 |
Or rather Valhalla. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.152.74.159 |
Better than going to ValDoonican | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.138.146 |
Ha! I think Bestwick is a very happy man right now. We should send them a copy of the book so they can read Simon's story. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
You can never have enough Army, of course- so, in the interests of cultural enrichment, here's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woQcb43V_Rc And a bit of Justin Sullivan live in Germany with a storming Bob Dylan cover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM_XbFwaR8o&feature=player_embedded Go on. You know you want to. This has been a public service announcement. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
As Beavis once said to Butthead, I think I just inoculated.  Great work Ally! | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.138.146 |
Thank you Simon | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
I always loved this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sHWd3mqi0M&feature=related | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Oh yes. Thunder and Consolation is probably my all-time favourite NMA album. And that track is one of the standouts. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
It's the only album of theirs I've ever owned, but I loved it back in the day. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
> It's the only album of theirs I've ever owned, but I loved it back in the day. But it's still the day, Gary! Sunset isn't until 7:07 PM! This means you still have eight and a half hours left to love it in! Weren't New Model Army banned from touring in the USA because they were "smelly"? Or was it because they "don't know scales"? I'm sure it was one or the other! | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
I think this might have had something to do with it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOWBLugj9E Still true... and shooting parts of it outside the US Embassy probably didn't help. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
ALLY - I'm glad John could help. He's a great guy. Very talented as well. What's the lowdown now? Rhys - yes, NMA were refused a work VISA on account that they weren't classified as professional artists. That was the official reason given. But in light of the musical criminals they allow in every week, and of those they export overseas, I somehow think that perhaps it was a load of bullshit. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Sure, I suspected it was a political reason all along and that NMA were treated very unfairly. I did like *Thunder and Consolation* myself back in the early 1990s, but it's not my kind of music now. Nonetheless what a great coup for Ally and Joel! | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Indeed, Rhys! You know, I remember being told they got refused a visa on alleged grounds of quality a while back... and I could've sworn it was you who told me! My mind must be going as age creepeth in... | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Yes it was me that told you. I've told you a lot of things over the years and at least 39.65% of those things weren't bullshit! | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
So some of them were..? Hang on, you know that time you told me that Santa Claus wasn't real..? | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Actually I'm bullshitting you now. It was 43.28% Or was it...? I never told you Santa Claus wasn't real, by the way; I said that he didn't like Cradle of Filth. It's different. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I'm sorry old chaps, but have turned American all of a sudden. I believe Father Christmas to be more appropriate for the Isles. Question: When did you first discover the earth shattering truth? My answer: when my dad fell down the stairs trying to get my brand new bike down - drunk as skunk he was.  | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
I don't like Cradle of Filth anymore either, you'll be glad to hear... my ex's evil influence, that was... | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.138.146 |
'ALLY - I'm glad John could help. He's a great guy. Very talented as well. What's the lowdown now?' I got an email from John cc'd to someone asking for it to be promoted on a site .........I think on the site below (well it was the site on the email so I think it will be that one). http://thequietus.com/ He has given me more contacts...when I couldn't find two on google he emailed their addresses within a few minutes...top bloke! I've contacted a few people in the comic industry too. I'll work through the contact list in the back of the NE book when I get a chance. Amnesty International are considering it for shops. Sophie Lancaster's mother, Sylvia, wrote back to me yesterday, absolutely over the moon that people care about what happened to her daughter....the book goes to Sylvia soon. Joel has a contact list, too...so it is all coming together nicely. I'll keep updating with news as and when we get it :>). There was something else to mention but I had a phone call...and have promptly forgotten...it will come to me soon. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.138.146 |
I've remembered...a review copy is going to a contact I have in the Independant ...fingers crossed, and Morpheus Tales have been very kind in offering help...and circulated it on their myspace page. http://www.morpheustales.com/index.htm | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Fingers crossed. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Ally - how about asking the landlord if he can get somebody on Radio Merseyside to talk about it. Being BBC, it might lead to other BBC regional stations. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Have you approcahed Amnesty International? They might mention it on their website, or put up a link in their online shop. http://www.amnesty.org.uk/ | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.138.146 |
'I'll work through the contact list in the back of the NE book when I get a chance. Amnesty International are considering it for shops.' Yes Zed! Mentioned it earlier....keep the suggestions coming. This way of doing things is working very well for the anthology. Every idea helps! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.152.183.210 |
Started a real-time review: http://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/never-again/ This *may* be a very slow process. des | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.17.252.126 |
Great to see you back, Des!! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.152.183.210 |
Thanks, Stevie. My first thread back was on Saturday: 'The Places Between'. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.129.3 |
THE QUIETUS have put NEVER AGAIN up as BOOK OF THE DAY. A little about them.... 'Record of the Day gave us the Music Publication Of The Year (Student Award) in 2008 and Music Website of the Year award in 2009. Da Capo's respected Best Music Writing guide also picked out three of our features for praise in its 2009 edition, Add to this praise from publications and broadcasters including the Guardian, The Sun, Fader, Observer, Independent, BBC, New York Times and Chicago Time Out. ....confident we're doing something right.' http://thequietus.com/articles/05053-the-quietus-s-book-of-the-day-never-again | ||
| Skunsworth (Skunsworth) Username: Skunsworth Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 92.16.38.116 |
Put my thoughts about the launch of Never Again, FCon, etc, in a blog: http://simonkurtunsworth.wordpress.com/ Would like to take this opportunity to say again that Never Again is a lovely looking book, and to congratulate Joel, Ally and Gary F in putting this one together! S | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.129.3 |
Thank you Simon! With such great stories to work with... the pleasure, I rather think, was ours. We'll let everyone know if Amnesty International picks it up for their shops. There is a copy on its way to them soon. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
There is an excellent review of NEVER AGAIN in BLACK STATIC 19. 'Reviewing charity anthologies is an endeavour fraught with peril for the reviewer as nobody wants to be the bad guy who rains on everyone's parade, but fortunately the twenty three stories in this volume - eleven of them reprints- are of a generally high standard, exceptional in one or two cases, so that particular poison chalice gets taken from me....' Pete Tennant's review of the anthology can be found in BLACK STATIC 19. Available from TTA PRESS. http://ttapress.com/blackstatic/currentissue/ | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Permanent link to The Beyond Fiction review. http://beyondfiction.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/never-again-edited-by-joel-lane-an d-allyson-bird/ | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
I've now resumed my real-time review: http://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/never-again/ | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.146.251 |
Thanks for the comments, Des. And please be assured that the book's gestalt, or cumulative effect, or overall thematic configuration, was considered and discussed at some length. A balance of more direct and more oblique stories, of darker and more optimistic stories, of supernatural horror and speculative fiction, was always intended. Much thought was also given to the sequence, which makes your real-time review particularly interesting. I have to confess I rarely read the contents of an anthology in the order of presentation, though I reshuffle my impressions when forming an overall view – translating from digital to analogue, so to speak. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Gary, that link to the actual speech shows Nick Clegg nodding sagely beside George Osborne. Who voted Liberal? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Sorry, that was meant for a different thread! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Joel, Thanks for your comments. I can teell that you and Allyson has such designs. But I was broaching the possibility of a different gestalt - for me - than the one you intended. The magic of synchronicity or serendipity or retrocausality? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Thank you Des! I really enjoyed following the real-time review. http://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/never-again/ | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.226.36 |
Thanks Des. As ever, your comments are incisive, personal, imaginative and able to make connections. I disagree with a few of your judgements, but that's fine. Unlike some critics you're not claiming the authority of 'objective' or 'pure' analysis... and we're not claiming the authority of 'objective' or 'pure' fiction. If you do read the Introduction I hope you'll take it as another narrative, a personal view – even where the reading of a particular story might appear to be prescribed, I as a reader would always take that as a challenge: is it really that way? And as we point out, there isn't a monolithic 'anti-racist' or 'anti-fascist' viewpoint – not in the book, and not in the world. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Thanks, Joel. I agree with the thrust of what you say there. And I have now decided that I will read the introduction. It would be discourteous and illogically defiant not to do so. Meanwhile, I have decided not to *review* the intro in the same way as I have not reviewed similar intros and story-notes in all my real-time reviews so far: my real-time reviews being simply about fiction and what it means to the reader (in this case, me) in its pure form. NEVER AGAIN presented the greatest challenge so far to this approach. Thanks for that challenge. And, as you know, I support your aims for this book wholeheartedly. It is a great book full of great stories. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Des - can I ask which part of Warsaw you visited? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Frank, Warsaw was a definite highlight of the trip. Particularly a night walk along the main street (forget the name) where all the main churches etc are - with George, an 84 year old Pole, as our guide (he has been doing this for years) - and his stories were fascinating and harrowing and everything else you can think of. He referred to 'manifestations' - one of which was going on as we walked - a group of people praying (with a microphone) and with crosses ... relating to recent aftermath of the plane crash in Russia where many Polish dignitaries died (the site of which I was later quite close to). I was a bit confused exactly what the prayers were about. But it was memorable and atmospheric. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Yes, Des, this particular manifestation was recently much larger in size. The protest was against the planned removal of a cross erected outside the parliament building. Most Poles wanted it removed, but some, a group of very vociferous far-right religious zealots wanted it to stay. Even the usual right-wingers distanced themselves from it. The church has completely washed its hands of it. Most Poles feel embarrassed by the whole thing. The street you were walking down was probably Nowy Swiat. I work at the Warsaw Stock Exchange on Friday mornings and so I walk along this street as shops are opening up. I love that street as I like watching people hurrying to and from work. Did you manage to get to the museum for the 1944 Warsaw uprising? | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I think he arrived 66 years too late for that particular uprising, Frank! And I'm sure it happened in a larger area than just the museum... | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.23.31 |
Yes, I think that was the street, Frank. Pity we didn't meet up! I wasn't long enough in Warsaw to go to that museum. But I did have much longer in Moscow and St Petersburg (and Novgorod to some extent), as it was essentially a Russian trip, the other cities being in transit with only one tour each. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Rhys - but you've been over, too, mate. Can you remember where you went? Des - if I'd known, I'd have given you the Frank tour. I'm sure it would have been less interesting though. Glad you enjoyed your visit. Next time check out the mountains or the Baltic coast. Beautiful and clean. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.178.82.216 |
Thought this would be a good thread in which to post this:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax96cghOnY4 | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Thanks for posting that Mick. It is all very sad. I loathe bullying and it seems to be getting worse...in schools, on the street, and online. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Yay!! The Financial Times review by James Urquhart of NEVER AGAIN http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c5de9526-e2e0-11df-9735-00144feabdc0.html | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Just read it! Brilliant stuff. I see mention was made to Simon's story. Superb. Well done everybody involved. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Congratulations! Especially as the Financial Times has been the most capitalist, right-wing organ in UK ... until now? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Indeed :>) | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.154.35 |
Well, the FT represents informed rationality within the capitalist elite. Hence its 'Marx was right' headline when the banking system collapsed in 2008. It's not as ignorant as the Times or the Telegraph, let alone the Mail or the Express. It would never make excuses for aggressive political short cuts like racism. The FT is the broadsheet of choice among non-Caucasian capitalists in the UK, because it sees capitalism in international and rational terms instead of wrapping it up in xenophobia and authoritarian populism. It's a useful guide to what the more intelligent members of the ruling class are thinking, and I'm not that surprised to find it endorsing Never Again. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Yes, I agree. I've read the FT quite often. But I'd say *all* the ruling class (by race or intelligence) read it, as they all check their investments there, with countless tables and data concerning Unit Trusts etc etc. It is certainly a coup to get a review in there. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I love the line "a lack of household names" which helps to put into perspective the fact that even though so many of us regard ourselves as big (or at least moderate) cheeses, we're actually nothing at all outside the obscure dusty corner of one neglected spare room in a crumbling house on the outskirts of a depopulated city in the remotest region of Fictionland. Metaphorically speaking... There's so much strutting and preening (I'm one of the worst offenders; so are you, in fact you're often worse; yes, YOU) that it's good to be reminded that we all need to learn some humility sometimes... I, indeed, am not a household name. Neither are you. We're not even huthold, tenthold or kennelhold names! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
I'm a household name. I've just changed my name by deed poll to Jiff Zanussi Hoover. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
I'll be publishing as J Z Hoover, however. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
You were already a household name in my house, Gary. How else do you think I do my onions? | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Only joking. I don't have a house. I live in a tiny flat with books and mould. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Then I'm a leasehold name? Or a freehold, maybe, if you're near the coast? | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Hmm... I wonder if it's possible to re-mortgage your name, if you're a household name? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
I'm a half nelson name. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I'm wrestling with the significance of that, Des! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
You'll find out if I ever meet you again. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Alas, I'll probably never know then! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Do you think household names render Census data inaccurate? I mean, you're supposed to reply to the forms on behalf of a household, but if you're a household yourself, that doubles up all quantification in responses. Thus, all Census data is rubbish. I haved spoken. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Yes, haved. Haved. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
What happens to a household name when the house is condemned? Capital punishment was abolished in the UK in 1965, but houses have been condemned since then. How is the paradox resolved? That's what I want to knowed. Yes, knowed. Knowed. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.186.140 |
Best thread digression ever! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Maybe the Financial Times can clarify a few of these legal issues over household names. (See how skilfully Fry steers the thread back online.) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
(er, on track . . . ) | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
We'll be the judge of that, Joel. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Keeping everyone updated...as well as Amnesty International considering it for their shops P.E.N.(International organisation to promote literature and human rights, encouraging translation and campaigning against political censorship) will be sending news of the anthology out to their members in the U.K. and internationally, very soon. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
My latest blog entry is about Never Again... http://rhysaurus.blogspot.com/ | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Rhys, please show some evidence of actual intended sabotage and writers so doing. My review of the book is here - and, in front and behind the scenes I, for one, am also trying to make sure that the book does well in all its aspects of aim. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Rhys - 558th short story! If it's not too personal, mate (see what I did, mate, now employed as an emotional strong-arm tactic to allow me to ask), are a full-time writer/author, or do you have a separate source of income (such as a sideline in Ginger's Snuff, org. since 1879!). . Des - I don't think Rhys is referring to you at all, mate. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Well, whether he is referring to me or not, Rhys made some pretty heavy accusations before. A very complex issue with many undercurrents - and surely to dredge up that whole bitter argument again between us in the Weird and Horror field (where the case is not proved in any of the various directions) is not conducive to the good of the book. Never again, I say. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Frank: it's gone up to 560 now... I'm writing at a furious rate at the moment, but it won't last. In fact the steam is already starting to cool in the boiler... As for proper work: I wish I did have a private source of income! I tend to lurch from one temporary job to another. Looks like the next one is gallery assistant in a museum, for one month. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I bet no one can correctly identify all three of the photos of fascists on my blog entry. The last one is easy, of course, but the other two are a lot more tricky, especially the first... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Fair enough, mate. More power to you. Whatever pays the bills. What I earn is relatively okay by Polish standards, it pays the bills, we have a good life, we have almost finished paying for the apartment (the mortage), and we are able to keep buying books, which makes as happy as clams in a shell. But the changeover to the pound would render it a pitance. But whatever works at making us happy is fine by me. How long have you been writing now, Rhy? Twenty odd years??? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Rhys, Plínio Salgado, Ante Pavelic and Mussolini. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 62.121.31.177 |
Ha! Am I the first in the list of four? No cheating was allowed, by looking at the name of the photo, by the way! I forgot to specify that... Frank: I keep my bills to a bare minimum. I have the lowest maintenance lifestyle possible. That's how I exist on a pittance. My girlfriend is the same as me. A few years ago I turned against "possessions" with a vengeance: it just seemed so much clutter. Like you, though, I seem to have given books a special "protected" status. I'm still overrun with them, even though I always give away each one the moment I finish reading it, and I don't buy new ones.* One day I'll get down to zero... maybe! * With a very very few exceptions. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
>>>A few years ago I turned against "possessions" with a vengeance I've been this way since I was about 17. I have all the essentials, of course: TV, vid, DVD player, kitchen and cleaning appliances. But that's it. Books and vids and DVDs, however - tons of em. Mind you, I do own a BMW now. My only indulgence. The chink in Fry's armour of austerity. A terrible fetish. But it beats driving over the moors to work in a Rover! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
So there is to be no official RCMB reaction to someone -- i.e. not for writing a blog elsewhere with his opinion -- but for linking to it on this thread above so as ostensibly to open old wounds about NEVER AGAIN and its initial process?? A paragraph in that blog - unless it's been changed since - is inflammatory in any scheme of things. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
If anyone has any issues with moderation on this board, they should email me. I can't always keep up with every strand here, though I do try. Please describe clearly what the problems are, and I'll see what I can do to sort things out - provided the solution lies within the remit of my modest role here. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Gary, I refer to the post to which my 1.50 pm post on this thread responded. Sorry for not contacting you separately about that. I respectfully approach you as both RCMB Moderator and Gray Friars Press proprietor. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 80.4.12.3 |
My blog post is reasonable, self-searching, even self-critical in parts, and factual. And nobody is being forced to read it against their will. The so-called "inflammatory" paragraph is actually rather mild. I could have been a hell of a lot more scathing about certain people who have put ego before morality. Nobody has to agree with my opinions on anything, but I sure as hell won't stop expressing what I believe to be right, true and in the service of justice. Never in my life have I given in to bullies and I don't intend starting now. That's my position. It's a simple one. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
I don't give into bullies either. That paragraph - embedded with a picture of Mussolini - was tantamount as if posted on this RCMB thread by linking to it. I can only assume you wanted people here to read it, Rhys. Don't want this to get out of hand. I have long term affection for you. But that paragraph is designedly inflammatory in my eyes, republicising a very difficult debate about the inception of this excellent book. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
>>>was tantamount as if posted on this RCMB thread by linking to it This is a grey area. Regardless of whether it's inflammatory - an issue on which I wish to remain agnostic - does a link on a message board equate to a post on a message board? Let me ask anyone else who posts here to help me on this. I'm a bit stuck, to be honest. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
http://weirdmonger.blog-city.com/does_a_link_on_a_discusion_forum.htm | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
I saw what you did there. Fair enough. So why do folk link instead of paste? Surely it's to give forum members the option to click through or not. As opposed to it being thrust before them on a message board, which somehow seems less invitational. So there is a difference. That's just my view. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
A post by Rhys on the NEVER AGAIN thread advertising a blog he wrote about NEVER AGAIN is bound to be accessed by 99% of those reading the thread, I guess. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
So you want me to delete the link . . . ? Is that part of my remit here? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
I'm not 'wanting' anything really ... other than possibly an opinion on the blog post from those directly concerned with NEVER AGAIN and RCMB. I don't think the link should be deleted. I'm not sure. I'm not a natural complainer. But I thought I should make a point about it. If you would like the matter to rest there, I'm content. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Any and all issues are listened to. I'm a moderate moderator. Just not really sure what to do in this case. I guess I just want to avoid an e-war. Those should be reserved for me and Albie. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
I would defend the right for Rhys to express his opinion. After all, that is what NEVER AGAIN is about. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Yes, that is true. But all opinions are all open to critical examination. Again, what NEVER AGAIN is about. What is your opinion on that paragraph and its setting amid the complex situation of personalities and beliefs that preceded it and the minutiae of debate in passion and calmness etc? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
As publisher of the book in question, I choose not to get involved in this particular debate at all. If someone feels very strongly about any posts on here (including this debate), I will of course, as moderator, take their complaint seriously. But as to anything else beyond the board, it's simply none of my business. Now, you don't want the link deleting. OK. Not sure there's much else to add on my part. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.247 |
Well, that's fair enough, Gary. Having questioned the paragraph, its setting, its motivation, its substance, its method of dissemination, and its unilateral, out-of-the-blue (after a few months of peace on this question) re-arousal of sensitivities, I shall withdraw. I only hope that I haven't served to advertise something - more than it was already advertised on this thread - by the act of questioning it. If I have, I apologise. The book is the thing that counts. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Don't worry, Des. We all know you're a good guy. One of the best in our business. Uncontroversially. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.165.208 |
After some reflection my personal view is that I'd rather these issues were not dug up again, at least here. I'm in no position to insist on that, but I can request it. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 80.4.12.3 |
I would never compare you with Mussolini, Des. Mussolini went skiing with a bare chest. I've seen photographic evidence. Nor was my post "out of the blue". I've been meaning to blog about Never Again for months but was hampered by my lack of a personal copy to photograph (I only use my own photographs of the books I promote). In the end I had to ask Ally to take a unique photo for me. I could have bought my own copy of the anthology, I guess. But I'm too tight to do that. In fact I'm so tight that I even refuse to turn the heating on and prefer to sit in a cold room with three jumpers, a hat and gloves. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
Sorry, Rhys. Really thought I'd sent you one. It's now on its way. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 80.4.12.3 |
I wasn't complaining, Gary! There's no reason why contributors to anthologies should receive preferential treatment in receiving free copies. I'm currently waiting for copies of various anthologies that I'm in, so I can promote them on my blog, in accordance with my totally random "unique photo only" rule. I did promise to buy one of your own books, Gary, if I remember correctly, and also a copy of Martin Amis' Money, so I'll probably order those in December. They will be the last books I buy until April 2014. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
I know, Rhys. But you certainly should have a copy by now. My mistake. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
We hope that all Never Again contributors have now been sent a copy of the book – if any haven't, we urge them to get in touch. Often in the small press, a free copy is the only payment received by contributors to a magazine or anthology, and it can be financially helpful in sparing the author the cost of that publication. For many of us it's the only reason we send out stories: it's cheaper than buying stuff. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
That's right. Next year I plan to read ten anthologies. That means I've got to write ten new tales and place them. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 80.4.12.3 |
More often than not I don't read any anthology I'm in. I don't even read my own contribution, partly because I already know what's going to happen in the story... But I do always promote the books, and I always give them away to people I know who will read them; and hopefully they will promote them too. So I'm not entirely self-centred. I don't leave them unread on shelves, that's for sure, not like I used to do. I have exactly 322 books in my possession. Every time I finish reading one I give it away. The idea is to get down to only a handful, but I can't see that happening for years and years. In fact it probably won't happen. Which means that when I eventually move abroad again I'll have to give most of them away unread, or even (I shudder to think about it) destroy them... Books: beautiful millstones around our cricked necks. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.29.126.12 |
You could always - heresy upon heresies - get a Kindle. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 80.4.12.3 |
Ooh. Yes. Why not? Hmm. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.157.121 |
Rhys, this might be the end of a beautiful friendship.... if we'd been friends in the first place. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.157.121 |
To be honest I admire your ability to live with a minimum of books. I have so many of the fuckers that I can't move house without professional help. But then, I can't do many things without professional help. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Alan Kelly interviewed the female authors of NEVER AGAIN about their stories. Wonderful! http://www.fangirltastic.com/content/never-again-anthology | ||
| Skunsworth (Skunsworth) Username: Skunsworth Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 92.16.62.44 |
Why only the girls? us men have valid opinions too !! S | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.23.82.196 |
Yeah, I'm calling The Guardian! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Calling the Guardian what? | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Calling it a daft pudding. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
A very interesting and useful set of interviews, I'd say. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.132.33 |
Indeed ! Ramsey. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.142.151 |
Gary F ....can you delete the post above and this one. I'll post it later when it is reformatted.:>) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Great to hear such superb stuff being said about a great anthology. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.182.24.98 |
Nice write-up, Ally - well done (and to Joel, too, of course!)... | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.142.151 |
And in Morpheus Tales, a new review...by Adrian Brady! "Here we have a collection of genre tales dedicated to the fight against prejudice, in its many forms, particularly racism and fascism. This isn’t just a great anthology; it is a group of writers speaking out against “political attitudes that stifle compassion.” It’s about awareness and treating every individual like a human being, sentiments that we can all understand. The theme is echoed in the stories contained in the book, many dealing with racism in its various forms, and a lot of the others dealing with fascism and totalitarianism. The writers are a diverse bunch, each giving us a different play on the themes. Some stories are a bit looser than others, but all are excellently written. My favourites of the collection are a Lansdale reprint, and the original stories from Simon Kurt Unsworth, Gary McMahon and Rhys Hughes. “The Torturer” by Steve Duffy is particularly disturbing, even more so in the factual context this book intends to inform us about. For those readers who are sparked to take action, at the end of the book there is a list of organisations that stand up against fascism and racism. The book has a lot of meaning behind it, and that just helps you to enjoy the fiction even more, and makes you realise that we are lucky to have been born or live in the free world, where we are allowed to write and read what we want. A great collection with a great sentiment, this book deserves your support and understanding." By Adrian Brady http://www.morpheustales.com/index.htm This review will appear in Morpheus Tales #11 Review Supplement, January 2011. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.139.44 |
NEVER AGAIN gets a mention in Pete Tennant's Picks of 2010 amongst some very fine books. http://trumpetville.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 82.210.134.81 |
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| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.137.29 |
Hurray! Amnesty International have agreed to stock NEVER AGAIN. Starting with the Brighton shop. I'll be getting in touch with anthology authors who live near enough (or they can email me) to arrange a launch and readings there. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 217.20.16.180 |
I'm in Brighton, so happy to help scope out venues etc. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.137.29 |
Thanks John! I think it might be at the shop (perhaps not) but early days yet. I'll be in touch. It has only taken 5 months and numerous emails to get this far so it will take time yet :>). | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.140.169 |
It has been a long time coming but we have our first launch, and signing session, with one of the Amnesty International shops Lisa Tuttle, Tony Richards, and Rosanne Rabinowitz will read, and sign books, in the Brighton Shop.. 15 Sydney Street (North Lane) Brighton BN14EN Saturday 18th June 7.00p.m. to 8.30p.m. The shop opened in 2007. http://www.amnesty.org.uk/events_details.asp?ID=381 | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Great news, Ally, and a great line-up of authors. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
That is excellent news. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.130.94 |
Never Again has been recommended in the best anthology category of the British Fantasy Society awards. Nina Allan for best story with 'Feet of Clay' and Rhys Hughes for 'Rediffusion.' | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Good 'un. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.104.130.94 |
Thanks to the efforts of George Kenneth Berger, and Ms Malin Ha, The Uppsala Book Shop, Stockholm, will stock copies of NEVER AGAIN. :>). The anthology is really getting out into the world. I wonder which country we can get it into next.... http://bookshop.se/ | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Excellent stuff, Ally. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.227.5.70 |
I said I'd help the organiser at Amnesty International get a full house for the readings by Lisa Tuttle, Tony Richards, and Rosanne Rabinowitz, from the anthology NEVER AGAIN...Brighton 18th June 7.p.m. Please come along and support all involved. I'll be mentioning it a few times before the event. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 202.73.198.32 |
The address of the shop is...15 Sydney Street (North Laine) Brighton BN14EN. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Sorry, Ally, but it's a bit too far for me - and my budget for this kind of thing is taking a massive hit lately. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.186.66.88 |
When did Brighton become Brit horror's Mecca? Why not Whitby? That would mean I would only have to roll out of bed and all you bastards would have to travel. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Instead, I get that privilege. Undeserved, of course.  | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.186.66.88 |
John, go Forth and multiply. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.153.11.198 |
It's just nice to see stuff happening anywhere but London for a change! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.186.66.88 |
Weeeeell, deos the nearest seaside resort count? I suppose it could have been Margate or Southend. I was in in Southend last year. The horror. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
Clacton? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.186.66.88 |
Eastbourne? It doesn't matter to me. All are sods to get to. I kid you not: it will as quick to fly from the States as it would be for me to get there. It's my own fault for living in such a remote spot, of course. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
Gary Mc has connections now with Clacton I understand from another thread here, as well as me! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.186.66.88 |
Oh well . . . | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
A Clacton convention would be great - I could save on hotel fees by staying with family. :-) | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.252.189.137 |
Amnesty International have started their advertising.... http://www.amnesty.org.uk/events_details.asp?ID=1858 | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
Zed said: A Clacton convention would be great - ======================== Here's an enticement for others:  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Choo-Choo! | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 217.20.16.180 |
Blaine is a pain. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
Exactly! | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Back on topic, is anyone going to be around Brighton for this? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.252.107.139 |
The Brighton Amnesty International bookshop has sold out of all copies of NEVER AGAIN! And are taking orders. Rosanne Rabinowitz and Tony Richards gave great readings at the event. Sorry Lisa couldn't make it but we'll hopefully catch up with her when and if the events move towards the north :>). |