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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
Username: Ramsey

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 03:57 pm:   

More YouTube brilliance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNfbX6uvA6s
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Huw (Huw)
Username: Huw

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 61.216.44.3
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 06:27 pm:   

Thanks for posting that, Ramsey! I never thought I'd see Welsh rap. I wonder if there's a Welsh language version...
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Ian Alexander Martin (Iam)
Username: Iam

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 64.180.64.74
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 09:13 pm:   

There's several Welsh words in it. You even get to hear the proper pronounceable of Cymru (which I've been saying incorrectly for years, apparently). What more do you want? If they did the whole thing in Welsh they'd be wiping the liens so often the coating would be worn away form the friction!
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Ian Alexander Martin (Iam)
Username: Iam

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 64.180.64.74
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2010 - 10:20 pm:   

Okay, so I posted this video on Facebook, and a friend of mine... here in the Vancouver area, says "hey, I like Newport: my brother was born there!" So I reply "Nothing wrong with Newport. It's not as flash as Abergaveny, perhaps, but quite charming none the less!" To which she replies, "My brother was born in Abergaveny". I only used it as an example because it's another small-ish town, it's JLP's hometown, and Lebbon lives there now. Sheesh! You bloody Welsh are EVERYWHERE!
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Kate (Kathleen)
Username: Kathleen

Registered: 09-2009
Posted From: 213.122.209.76
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 12:29 am:   

You bloody Welsh are EVERYWHERE!

Ooh - er!
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Ian Alexander Martin (Iam)
Username: Iam

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 64.180.64.74
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 03:04 am:   

Well they are! They're infesting everything with their.... erm.... dragons and cheese and things.

...anyone ever understand the constant reference in The Merry Wives of Windsor to the Welsh Parson constantly smelling of cheese due to his Cymru content? I've never understood that.
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Joel (Joel)
Username: Joel

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.110.240.194
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 10:36 am:   

Caerphilly cheese presumably. Which is nice (the cheese I mean, not the reference).

Shakespeare's 'funny' comedies are not always good examples of his dramatic writing. They often seem to be playing to the gallery, with themes and comic devices that lack subtlety or taste. Though oddly, his histories, of which one might expect a similar populism, are often serious and thoughtful.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.23.91.114
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 10:44 am:   

Yeah, but to be fair, he had his moments in the tragedies. :-)
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Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus)
Username: Rhysaurus

Registered: 01-2010
Posted From: 212.219.233.223
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 12:06 pm:   

Try this. It's Newport in the future!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygN8H3kI1qE
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
Username: John_l_probert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 213.122.209.76
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 02:31 pm:   

While serious music connoisseurs probably view them with disdain, I must say that the first Goldie Looking Chain album made me laugh so much I cried.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.17.252.126
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 02:52 pm:   

I see Shakespeare's comedies as the anarchic social and political satires of their time, with many a serious point to make about gender roles, the rights of the individual in society, etc, underneath the deceptive bawdiness that made them so popular. Many of his most pointed criticisms of the establishment are "hidden" in his comedies. I know, I've read my Ardens.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.228.3
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 04:09 pm:   

"Merry Wives of Windsor" contains one of the most shocking extended series of dirty jokes I've seen in Shakespeare, where the Parson and Quickly are getting involved in a series of double-entendres around what is established to be a six or seven year-old boy. Imagine a film now, that had a 6 year-old boy, himself talking about whores and f*cking and c*cks and "genital cases" - it's pretty damn raunchy... and yet, the censors of his time, had no problem with it....
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.4.228.3
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 04:11 pm:   

It's so shocking, in fact (? - I assume this was the reason), that the 1982 BBC version removed most of this scene, despite its being somewhat hidden, nowadays, by its semi-archaic dialogue....
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Ian Alexander Martin (Iam)
Username: Iam

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 64.180.64.74
Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 06:56 pm:   

I'd just like to point out that the over-taking of the world by the Welsh is not being complained about earlier; rather, I am celebrating this situation.

STEVIE: yes, there's a plethora of levels available to the material, which is what makes it so incredible. Not only that, but the stuff relies on the never-changing nature of humanity, which means it all still works today (and probably forever).

CRAIG: yes, that section is quite disturbing, although I'm not sure it's Quickly that makes the third. It's possibly the fellow who lodges the complaint on behalf of the suitor at the start of the story. In our version the small boy was played by a very boy-ish woman of 20 years, and when being commented on by two rather lumpy men of well-passed "a certain age" was no less disturbing as a result. No matter how done, it's tough to make that bit work, probably. Maybe setting it in the Philippians with lady-boys and play it for laughs that way?

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