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Thomasb (Thomasb)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 69.236.169.250
Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:28 pm:   

Coughing nervously, the writer inserts the link--http://www.redroom.com/articlestory/fear-minds-thief --then promptly dives under the nearest bed for six weeks . . . .
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 12:11 am:   

That's a very good, and thoughtful, review, Thomas. I enjoyed reading it.

I'd disagree with this, though: "Like most horror novels Iíve read, the buildup in Thieving Fear is terrific, but the payoff is a bit of a letdown." For me, the ending of Thieving Fear is one of Ramsey's finest and most disturbing. It terrified me.

A few people I've spoken to found this novel difficult - not one of their favourite Campbells; one Campbell fan I know actually hates it - but I absolutely treasured it. I'm not sure why, but the novel really pressed my buttons. The cover also boasts one of my favourite Vincent Chong images (I have it framed on the wall outside my study, on my "Wall of Chong.")
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.31.8.83
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 08:46 am:   

Ending a let down? You're kidding me!

The last-but-one chapter was incredible.

I think Thieving Fear, read textually and subtextually, is as powerful a description of modern corporate-driven life as any I've read.
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Kate (Kathleen)
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Registered: 09-2009
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 08:52 am:   

I loved the whole climactic scene - a fantastic set-piece!

And that's a perfectly good review, Thomas. No need to hide!
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Giancarlo (Giancarlo)
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Registered: 11-2008
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 09:42 am:   

To my taste, one of the best endings in horror/fantasy literature. I even experienced depersonalisation symptoms while reading it.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 11:02 am:   

Your review is fine, Thomas. It makes 'Thieving Fear' sound like a retread of 'Obsession', to my mind, but without the ambiguity regarding the supernatural elements. 'Obsession' was the book where I really noticed Ramsey's writing step up a notch in literary terms and it remains one of my very favourites.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 11:31 am:   

Hey, thank you, Thomas! I would just gently quarrel with one point - whether the ending is happy depends on how you read it. I'm fond of it myself.
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Thomasb (Thomasb)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 06:54 pm:   

Thanks, everyone! Ramsey, I read the last section twice and it mystifies me a little in that respect. So, I read it again and see your point. The first time, I thought Rory was still only haunted by the memory, not the demon itself, who I can see may still be fogging their world.

Cheers!
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 07:54 pm:   

I sometimes felt I was reading two stories joined together in Thieving Fear....The final part of the book jarred a bit with the first I felt.

Like all Ramseys's books there is much to enjoy, and the 'twist' on one of the female characters is very cleverly done.

gcw
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 07:59 pm:   

"visited by some of the most literate sophisticated folks you'll find anywhere on the InterWires."

Cheers Mate! (burp!)

gcw....
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 08:30 pm:   

There were elements of 'Thieving Fear' which I wasn't so keen on, but the final descent into the house was an excellent passage. And the revelation Gcw refers to a couple of posts above was very cleverly executed.
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Thomasb (Thomasb)
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2010 - 09:25 pm:   

Me, I was stunned when I found out the truth of Ellen's self-deception. That was the part that threw me the most. Also, Hugh's encounter with the demon on the beach and Ellen's meeting it on the bluff. Charlotte's descent into the house, though, didn't do as much for me.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 11:51 am:   

I now have the urge to read this novel again - I really, really loved it.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 12:36 pm:   

Man, the descent into the house was fantastic. The real stuff of horror fiction. Never read anything so dark and sustained. That primal figure which rushes down the cellar steps . . . shudder.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 01:08 pm:   

Agreed. It genuinely gave me nightmares - which is no mean feat these days.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 01:37 pm:   

I wrote a similar scene in a novel called God's Eye View, and after reading Ramsey's I just shook my head in shame and stuck pins in a little Scouse doll with its shirt tucked into its pants.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 01:41 pm:   

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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   

I can't quite place why Thieving Fear didn't quite work for me....I liked the start & the end...But something didn't quite gel.

But again, it can be down to my mood or situation at the time, I need to be able to concentrate to read, and if I have a lot on my mind it just doesn't work, particularly with RC's books which require my total attention to enjoy.

A contender for a re-read I suspect...But it's too soon at the moment.

gcw
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Thomasb (Thomasb)
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Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 10:21 pm:   

For Ramsey Novel Re-Reads, I think along the lines of "Incarnate," "Obsessions" and "Ancient Images."
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 08:01 pm:   

I re-read Incarnate a couple of months ago in Jamaica - It's still absolutely brilliant!

gcw
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 08:12 pm:   

I also re-read Incarnate recently - well, last year. Amazing novel, isn't it?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 12:16 am:   

'Incarnate' was the culmination of Ramsey's early pulpish phase and still contains the single most terrifying and haunting chapter he ever wrote - I'm sure you all know the one I mean...
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 05:15 am:   

There are quite a few of those in Incarnate. When the women emerge on the street and one of them says: "Where are we?" comes readily to mind. At different points in the novel I had the distinct feeling that whatever was happening to the protagonists, was happening to me as well. I still wonder how that is possible. A far-reaching sense of communication betwixt author and reader?
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 08:12 pm:   

Danny Swain. Arms.

'Nuff said.

gcw
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 11:34 am:   

Hubert, it was the paranoid intensity of the writing in those early books that really got under my skin - at times it felt like Ramsey was barely in control of his material and it was just spilling off the page, and into my mind, in a frenzy of nightmare imagery and impressions. Extremely potent stuff that seemed to reach an apogee with 'Incarnate'. I believe his writing had to calm down, become subtler and more classically structured (as in 'The Influence', 'Ancient Images', 'Midnight Sun', etc) or something would have had to give lol.

The chapter I was thinking of concerned the fate of that poor little girl when she walked into the darkness... the thought of what became of her still gives me shivers.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 12:16 pm:   

Another chapter that stuck with me was Geoffrey's suicide. Incredible writing. I read Incarnate at a time when I was becoming more and more dissatisfied with the way my life was going in the farcical country where I live. I recall I took a walk and actually felt the rows of houses to be nothing more than stage props with nothing substantial behind them. A terrifying feeling.

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