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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.29.126.12
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 08:41 pm:   

So, was E M Forster right?

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 09:35 pm:   

At least mine made it into the Top 100... at No. 85.

Interesting list, but if it could be shorn of all movies made in the last 20 years (too soon to judge their true merit imo) it might actually be quite accurate. Perhaps a handicap system could be invented?

The chief flaw of democracy is its pandering to fashion.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 11:35 pm:   

Quite right about stopping anything made recently from making lists like this, Stevie. You only have to look at some of the 'albums of the decade' lists from popular music magazines in the 90s to see that. Kula Shaker?! Oasis?!

There are at least four films in the IMDB top ten at the moment which, personally, I think are either average or just plain bad.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 10:31 am:   

The Guardian had a top 100 list of 'best albums' a few years back and the choices had to be ten or more years old at that time. Made for interesting reading.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 86.140.190.208
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 11:34 am:   

The bottom twenty are more interesting films than the top, I think.
and is it me, or do all the films that feature in these lists always suddenly feel less good than you remember?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 12:34 pm:   

I really don't understand high regard people have for THE GODFATHER. Brando talking with his mouth full is ridiculous, as does James Caan's hammy turn. Actually, maybe it's Brando, de Niro and that whole American method school that's over-rated?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 12:36 pm:   

Let me try that paragragh again.

"I really don't understand the high regard people have for THE GODFATHER. Brando talking with his mouth full is ridiculous, as is James Caan's hammy turn. Actually, maybe it's Brando, de Niro and that whole American method school that's over-rated?"
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 85.222.86.21
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 03:58 pm:   

Well, imagine if George Lucas had directed it, Proto, it might be a sight worse than what you currently feel about it. Coppola wanted Lucas to direct Apocalypse Now, so who knows?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   

I love the Godfather films - big, overblown, operatic, po-faced, brilliance.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 04:23 pm:   

The list makes no sense. THE SEVEN SAMURAI is listed at #13 with 98,000 votes or so, while MULHOLLAND DR. is listed at #248 with over 105,000 votes.

I read that calculus formula at the bottom to figure out the rankings... it looks like gobbledygook. The whole thing is stupid and discard-worthy.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 04:47 pm:   

The whole thing is stupid and discard-worthy.

Aye. Totally agree, Craig.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 04:53 pm:   

I'm tempted to sort that list into its proper order of merit... a man's gotta have something to fill the working day.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted From: 82.24.1.217
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 05:04 pm:   

As the Master of Lists, Stevie, you are THE MAN FOR THE JOB.

Think how different Ghost Busters could have been...

Sigourney Weaver: "Are you the List-Master?"

List-Master: "Well, let's see. One: I like to make lists; Two: I feel inexorably drawn to my work; three..."
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 06:11 pm:   

Stevie, when are you going to finally provide us a list of your greatest lists?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 06:51 pm:   

The ratings are out of ten and issued by that many people, Craig. Then an average is taken. The X00,000 figure doesn't refer to a number of votes cast, rather the number of raters.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 04:08 pm:   

Ah.

Well... okay, but still.... (My scintillating catch-all response for when I'm proved wrong, but must still thrust the worthless point home)
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 04:11 pm:   

Dipstick. :-)
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 82.210.188.215
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 05:40 pm:   

Lists are fuetile, but can be fun because they stimulate debate, yet also provoke mass arguments, of which this board is no stranger.

Here's one for Zed: Top Ten zombie movies?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 05:54 pm:   

I knew I had this list lying about somewhere:

1. 'Dawn Of The Dead' (1978) by George A. Romero
2. 'Night Of The Living Dead' (1968) by George A. Romero
3. 'I Walked With A Zombie' (1943) by Jacques Tourneur
4. 'Zombie Flesh Eaters' (1979) by Lucio Fulci
5. 'Plague Of The Zombies' (1966) by John Gilling
6. 'Shaun Of The Dead' (2004) by Edgar Wright
7. 'Day Of The Dead' (1985) by George A. Romero
8. 'City Of The Living Dead' (1980) by Lucio Fulci
9. 'Braindead' (1992) by Peter Jackson
10. 'The Living Dead At The Manchester Morgue' (1974) by Jorge Grau
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 07:23 pm:   

Now, Stevie, is Fulci's THE BEYOND classifiable as a zombie movie?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:40 am:   

I would say it falls more into the demonic undead category, along with 'The Evil Dead' or 'Tombs Of The Blind Dead', etc... what ya think?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:51 am:   

Frank, I'll do my list tomorrow...there'll be a few suprses on there, I'll warrant.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:32 am:   

I think you're right... but that City of the Living Dead may also fall into that category

Most vexing.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:44 am:   

If I were going to make a list, I'd have to put the first three Romero films at the top. Steve's put two, but I honestly believe it should be what was originally thought to be a trilogy.

Zed - You've got my interest piqued. I think Steve's list is probably one that a lot of people would agree on, give or take a few tweaks here or there.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 12:37 pm:   

John, you could be right. 'City Of The Living Dead' & 'The Beyond' are bizarre mish-mash affairs that perhaps properly belong in the surreal nightmare bracket.

But of the two, I think 'City' is the closer to a true zombie movie, with only the hospital climax of 'Beyond' fitting the bill.
If I removed 'City' then No. 10 would be 'The Zombie Dead' (1981) by Andrea Bianchi - the best non-Fulci Italian zombie flick imo.
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Kate (Kathleen)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:00 pm:   

If I removed 'City' then No. 10 would be 'The Zombie Dead' (1981) by Andrea Bianchi - the best non-Fulci Italian zombie flick imo.


Please tell me you're kidding.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:07 pm:   

Lenzi's Nightmare City is in my top 10, Kate - ask Lord P how much we both love that one.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:13 pm:   

I'm not kidding... I think that's a brilliant wee horror movie. Have you ever seen more disgusting zombies? Gloriously OTT and nicely self-contained, I'd describe it as the Italian 'Night Of The Living Dead'.

At 11 would be Victor Halperin's 'White Zombie' (1932), then probably 'The Ghost Breakers' (1940) with Bob Hope!
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:14 pm:   

Lenzi's Nightmare City is in my top 10

I'd love to see that!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 01:20 pm:   

I've struggled to get this down to 10, but here goes:

1. Day of the Dead (Romero)
2. I Walked With A Zombie (Tourneur)
3. The Living Dead at Manchester Morgue (Grau)
4. Night Of The Living Dead (Romero)
5. Dawn of the Dead (Romero)
6. Dawn of the Dead (Snyder)
7. Land of the Dead (Romero)
8. Dead of Night (Bob Clark)
8. Reanimator (Gordon)
9. Zeder: Voices of Beyond (Avati)
10. Nightmare City (Lenzi)

I had to leave out Dellamorte Dellamore due to lack of space.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 03:46 pm:   

Four of those I know only by reputation, Zed, and have no doubt they deserve to be up there: 'Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things', 'Zeder', 'Nightmare City' & 'Dellamorte Dellamore'.

The only one I'd disagree with is Zack Snyder's remake of 'Dawn Of The Dead' - it's undeniably brilliant entertainment, with a fantastic opening, but as a whole it can't help but pale beside the greater ambition of the original trilogy, and it completely loses the plot in the latter stages - morphing into a boring action movie imo.

Bear in mind that any Lists I post only ever include those movies I have actually seen.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 03:50 pm:   

Oops, obviously I also disagree with 'Land Of The Dead' - which I was really disappointed with. Being released on the back of 'Shaun Of The Dead' didn't help...
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:02 pm:   

Zed - The Living Dead Girl! Still in my head, that little film.
And is Carnival of Souls a zombie film?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:03 pm:   

'Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things' isn't even on my list...(It's rubbish, btw; has a competely undeserved reputation.)

I totally disagree regariding to Dawn... remake: I thought it was a superb film, and the latter stages were pretty thrilling. One of the only films from the recent slew of horror remakes that I think deserves to exist.

Land of the Dead shows a natural progression from Romero's other Z films, and uses his usual satirical edge to good effect. A very underrated film, I reckon - one that people seem to dislike because Romero didn't make the film they wanted, rather than judging it on ts own merits.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:04 pm:   

Tony - Grapes of the Dead is very good (another Rollin). haven't seen Living Dead Girl (but want to).
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:07 pm:   

Yes! Grapes of the Dead! I saw that too. His films are nuts, because while technically shoddy as heck they really lodge in the old cranium.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:17 pm:   

I too would have let Land of the Dead off the list, as well as Dead of Night - but, I must be thinking of something else? Not the anthology Brit film? What zombies were in that? However, you wisely left Dellamorte Dellamore out, you did....

I have to find this Living Dead at the Manchester Morgue - a highly touted zombie film I've yet to see?!? Shame on me!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 04:44 pm:   

Dead of Night (AKA The Night Andy Came Home). Zombie-monkey's-paw type shenanigans as anti vietnam allegory. brilliant film.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 05:20 pm:   

I assumed that 'Dead Of Night' as directed by Bob Clark must have been an alternate title for 'Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things' - but now I see it was an alternate title for 'Deathdream' lol.

The only Bob Clark horror film I've seen is the fantastic 'Black Christmas' - and why didn't Mark Gatiss mention that influential gem in his History of Horror?!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 05:22 pm:   

Yeah, the film has about 17 alternative titles...
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 09:00 pm:   

Yeah, the reputation CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH DEAD THINGS has is a mystery to me. A massive disappointment. Still, anyone with BLACK CHRISTMAS in his filmography gets the thumbs up from me - I can't overstate how much I love that film.

For me LAND OF THE DEAD was a partial success. The zombies evolving into a crude facsimilie of society, and organising themselves, was the natural conclusion to their trajectory as shown in the first three films. Unfortunately the humans were stock characters from some kind of post-apocalyptic pick n mix.

It seemed Romero was more interested in his zombies than the humans. With that in mind, I would have liked him to go the whole hog and have the entire film from the POV of the zombies, with the humans a grim distant threat. That would have been a more fitting end to the series, and more in-keeping with the arc of the movies up until that point.

No love for RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 10:11 pm:   

RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD is another I had to leave out - love, love, love that film.
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted From: 86.131.0.116
Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:02 pm:   

Lenzi's Nightmare City is in my top 10, Kate - ask Lord P how much we both love that one.

Oh Good Lord you naughty boy! I honestly can't explain why - maybe it was the Fangoria review when I was a boy, maybe it was because I first watched the uncut version when I was struggling over an early story that eventually made it into Supernatural Tales, but I, too, feel a great deal of love for this load of old rubbish. And it really is - indefensible, incoherent rubbish, the final crappy 'revelation' being backed up by its director on the extras merely serving to show how truly misguided the silly man was. And yet yes - I still love it!

Anyone who even likes Bianchi's Burial Ground, however, does need their head examined.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:11 pm:   

John (Lord P) - can I ask you a question about something you may or may not know about (research). Is there a preparation room, or hideous as this sounds, a 'waiting room' for bodies which are about to be shown to family members when asked to make formal identification. Obviously I mean within a hospital. If so, would you perhaps know the name of this room. And secondly, would the body be transferred to the chapel on a guerney/trolley (?). Many thanks.
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2010 - 11:14 pm:   

Hi Frank - In the UK that tends to be in the Mortuary Chapel, for want of a better term. For bodies whose faces / heads have been destroyed an arm is usually left exposed so the relatives have something to cling to.

Well - you did ask...
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:17 am:   

28 Days/Weeks Later? The Crazies? [REC]/[REC]2? Do they count as zombie films? (I actually like all five (six, if you count the recent Crazies as well as Romero's).)
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:37 am:   

Well, okay, here's mine:

1. Dawn of the Dead (Romero)
2. Return of the Living Dead (O'Bannon)
3. [REC] (Balaguero)
4. Night of the Living Dead (Romero)
5. Re-Animator (Gordon)
6. Dawn of the Dead (Snyder)
7. 28 Weeks Later (Fresnadillo)
8. The Last Man on Earth (Ragona) (Vampires, I know, but I'm counting it.)
9. Tombs of the Blind Dead (Ossorio)
10. The Crazies (Eisner)
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 09:53 am:   

For bodies whose faces / heads have been destroyed an arm is usually left exposed so the relatives have something to cling to.

I love details like that.

The Crazies isn't a zombie film. Nor is 28 Days Later. These are what I call "Plague Films". The victims of the plague/virus/whatever aren't dead, so they're not zombies.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:09 am:   

Ooh - Chris - you prefer The Crazies remake? Interesting. I watched the original recently and really disliked it - it just all felt like people barking. I basically only wanted the weird deaths, not the rest of it.
Zombies, in history and 'reality', are people frozen at the point of death or just before and in a kind of trance. Technically Crazies and 28 Days Later types are quite proper zombies. :-)
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:18 am:   

The Crazies is my favourite Romero film: it has this nervy, edgy energy, a blatant political subtext, a lovely rambling narrative, and a superb ending. I adore that film.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:18 am:   

Btw, I really liked the remake, too.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:27 am:   

Romero did! Nice of him to say that.
I fancy Season of the Witch, which I haven't seen.

Talking of witches, watched Witchfinder General for the first time this week. God, it was horrible! Such a tough watch. It made me hate that lovely music. And is it me, or was it not a horror film, but more a Pekinpah western?
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 10:59 am:   

John - many, many thanks. And if I could just pick your brain again, is there a room off the Mortuary Chapel, one where the attendants (are they called attendants), bring the body in, or is it transported straight from the morgue? Sorry for hassling you.
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:18 am:   

Hi Frank - no problem, but I'm afraid I can't help you with that one as I really don't know - it's been a looong time since I've been near that part of any hospital! I suspect, however, that it's different for different places, so you can probably write the piece how you want and it would be correct for somewhere. Hope that helps!

Tony - One of the many stories about Witchfinder General is that it was meant to be filmed in the style of a Western. In-house Tigon composer Paul Ferris ('Morris Jar' in his cameo )was actually asked to do a 'Western score in the style of Greensleeves' and I think he did a marvellous job
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:20 am:   

I think there's a room where you wait to go into the waiting room for the chapel waiting room, where the grieving hear an audio recording of their loved one's deformed body taken two blocks away. It all goes to soften the blow.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:21 am:   

Yep, as JLP rightly states, Witchfinder General was intended to be a sort of horrific British rural Western. Possibly the best British film ever made, I reckon - along with Get Carter and Dead Man's Shoes.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:23 am:   

The music was very good. But what a bleak, depressing film, eh? It's just tricky thinking of circumstances in which to watch it - 'Here, luv, let's snuggle down with WG and a bottle of plonk!' I plummed for alone, feeling mopey.
Hmm.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:25 am:   

It's a powerful film, certainly, but don't know about best. But then I usually confuse 'best' with 'favourite' a lot, something i'm trying to keep check on.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:29 am:   

Yes, "best" and "favourite" are two different things entirely...but I think WG is both. It's a remarkable film, in terms of scope, themes, artistry and vision. It is bleak, yes, but not gratuitously. I watch it every couple of years, and it always packs a punch.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:30 am:   

As for circumstances in which to watch films like these...any time will do. Personally, I can't imagine circumstances under which I'd watch something like Sex in the City or an insipid rom-com. Unless it involved binding and gagging me.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:31 am:   

I haven't seen 'Return Of The Living Dead', just Part II - which was enjoyable nonsense.

Could 'Life Force' be called a zombie movie? That's another one of my guilty pleasure favourites <sigh>.

You guys have made me want to watch 'The Zombie Dead' again... I really, really, really enjoyed that load of incoherent nonsense and thought the zombie make-up, gore effects and use of sound was exceptional. It was the first non-Fulci film of its kind that I saw, though, so nostalgia is obviously playing a part.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 86.170.180.172
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:38 am:   

'I can't imagine circumstances under which I'd watch something like Sex in the City or an insipid rom-com. Unless it involved binding and gagging me'
- now there's the Hostel III I want to see. :-)

Return of the Living Dead is great fun, and quite creepy in a way a lot of zombie flicks actually aren't.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:40 am:   

In many ways it heralded the new zombie movie era because of some of the things it tackled.
I have to say I enjoy the NOTLD remake as much as the original, partly because prints of the former are just so bloody terrible (I still haven't found one i'm happy with).
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:46 am:   

What about that slew of Japanese zombie movies that came out in the late 90s? I've only seen 'Junk' (1999) by Atsushi Muroga, which was another enjoyably daft sub-Tarantinoesque gorefest, but far too derivative to be any way memorable.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:47 am:   

Anyone see the figure hastening up the stairs in WG? It was in the last shot or so. Almost subliminal, it was.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 11:49 am:   

I'm going to be hugely contentious here by stating that Tom Savini's remake of 'Night Of The Living Dead' is actually superior to Zack Snyder's reboot of 'Dawn'... awaits avalanche of outraged retorts.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 85.222.86.21
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 12:05 pm:   

John - thanks, mate. I can relax now. Cheers, pal.
Tony - thanks, also. But, have I misread the last line:'where the grieving hear an audio recording of their loved one's deformed body taken two blocks away.'
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 12:12 pm:   

Steve - Savini's film is great, though suffers from good solid actors being saddled with some pedestrian dialogue. But Synder's film for me was a complete surprise. It's one of the few remakes from any period that holds it own with the original, not better than, of course not, but it's a bloody good film. I've said this before. It triumphs over Romero's 'Land...' because it's a film aimed at frightening the audience; a visceral film. Romero's 'Land...' is more than about frightening the audience, it has some complex themes, even if some of them are hammered home with obviousness, and I think this is why 'Land...' was from a lot of quarters felt to be a disappointment, whereas Synder's film was praised much more.

I think Romero's was the more original movie, how could it not be, but I believe Synder's reworking was more frightening.

But I don't think Savini's remake was anywhere in the same ballpark as Synder's.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 12:38 pm:   

I was virtually forced to watch Snyder's remake of 'Dawn' by mates, who insisted how great it was, and I'm glad they did because the film entertained the socks off me, for most of its length. Savini's remake, watched at the time, entertained me in the same way, but from beginning to end. I think as remakes both films worked far better than they had any right to but that Savini's sustained the claustrophobic tension throughout, whereas Snyder fluffed it in the final third by going for all-out action, which tends to negate the sense of dread for me. Only my opinion of course...
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 12:48 pm:   

Stevie - ditto. I loved the DOD remake right till the bit where someone edited in footage from the upcoming A Team remake. The Savini film is really solid and builds up, which is much more difficult to do for a director than the amazing momentary flourish. DOTD was like this really amazing storyteller suddenly looking at his watch and going off to some other appointment.
Frank - I think I was saying the recording was made far away, not the body being taken there! But, knowing me...
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 01:00 pm:   

Tony - sorry, mate. What I mean is, what recording? A recording of what?
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 86.170.180.172
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 01:02 pm:   

A sound recording of a dead body! Sorry - it was meant to be daft - and was.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 85.222.86.21
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 01:37 pm:   

No, it's me, Tony. You know my humour is limited to that a chimpanzee.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.10
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:01 pm:   

Avoid the Day of the Dead remake.

It is possibly the worst remake I've ever seen. One of the zombies - because he's in love with the heroine when he's alive (and vegetarian) becomes a vegetarian lovesick zombie who helps the heros escape near the end.

the whole thing descends into a teens in peril shitflick.

Avoid at all costs.

This is a public cervix announcement
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 212.121.214.10
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:01 pm:   

Service. Damn these freudian slips.
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Frank (Frank)
Username: Frank

Registered: 09-2008
Posted From: 85.222.86.21
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:05 pm:   

Yes. I've heard terrible things about the Day of the Dead remake. Isn't it Sean Cunningham of Friday 13th fame who remade it? What the fuck where Rhames and Survani doing in it? Somebody told me that the zombies don't even appear until halfway through the film. I'm not complaining at building suspense, or atmosphere, or whatever, but it does sound shambolic.
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Craig (Craig)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 04:18 pm:   

I must need my head, examined, Dr. P, because I very much like BURIAL GROUND. It's got no boundaries, no sense of taste, artistry, or decorum. It's blatantly ghastly - it doesn't even try to be entertainingly ghastly. And of course, the man that plays the child... that alone, is worth the price of admission....
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   

I agree, Craig. It's a film I found sensationally gruesome and relentless. That breast feeding scene and the "twist ending", after we think they have escaped, is just bizarre. Great stuff!

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