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Alexicon (Alexicon)
Username: Alexicon

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 88.106.41.176
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 06:10 pm:   

An outfit called Abominable Books & Beasts has a used copy of Johnny Mains' Back from the Dead on Ebay for £108.00.

Obviously supreme optimists.

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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 08:34 pm:   

Ah, but it is a *signed* copy though, Alex! I, too, have a signed copy - thanks to the lovely Johnny getting it signed for me when he realised I wasn't going to make it to the launch (a kiss for Johnny .. ). If I get desparate for cash, I might just sell mine ... No, I think that's most unlikely, given my passion for signed books.

I actually know whose eBay account that is, having bought a little signed something from him a short time ago. I think some of you might be surprised if I told you who it is - but I'm not telling! His prices are rather on the high side, I must admit.

Sometimes, also, you can find Black Books of Horror going for really silly prices on AbeBooks too.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
Username: Mick

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.176.178.44
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 09:36 pm:   

I think it's worth bearing in mind that what counts is the price a book sells at, not what it's listed at. A glance at eBay's trade in LPs shows that there are a lot of optimists (and liars!) on there, too.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.17.252.126
Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 10:41 pm:   

My office printed and ringbound copy of 'Back From The Dead' is one of my most cherished possessions now. I intend to read it after completing my re-read of the Pan Horrors (currently on the 22nd).
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 88.106.41.176
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:42 am:   

Caroline: "Ah but it is a 'signed' copy..."

So all Stevie has to do is get his pirated office version signed by the authors and it will bump up the value? That's pretty cool.

I have a copy here which has only one author signature on it - and that sig doesn't appear on any of the other copies. Does this imbue it with a unique value?

Signature added-value is an interesting subject.

IMO Ramsey could generate a decent income by merely selling his signature (plus a brief personal message) without having to produce any kind of book. Now THAT is super cool.


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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 01:01 pm:   

Ooo, Alex, don't get me started on the value added that a good signature brings. I could tell you loads ... but I've got to dash off somewhere now. Might come back later and talk about autographs. Bet you'll wish you hadn't asked then!

BTW bet your unique copy is signed by your good self? If so, yes, that would certainly make it quite valuable as I guess your signature is pretty rare? (apart from on cheques, maybe?!)
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 01:47 pm:   

Well, the first copy that went on Ebay sold for £80. And an American collector offered me $1000 for my last copy that I had signed by the authors at WHC. Needless to say I accepted.



I have to send my copy with the dedications by the authors to a certain someone to sign for me, but I'm scared he'll use it for making sure his chainsaw still works....
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 88.106.31.42
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 03:24 pm:   

Caroline: looking forward to your treatise on sigs!

Johnny: A new way of marketing then? Print very few copies and have them signed by the authors. The result being buckets of cash from U.S. loonies. That's cool.

Much cooler is the fact that it'll now cost you a very reasonable £500 if you want to add my sig to the ones you already have. Fair's fair.

The weird world of autographed books...

Anyone else have tall-ish tales on this subject?

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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 03:28 pm:   

It's ok, I already have it - I'll just cut it out of SSS and paste it in... :D
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 03:53 pm:   

>>It's ok, I already have it - I'll just cut it out of SSS and paste it in... :D<<

That doesn't work as well though, Johnny - devalues the book, that does!

Never fear, Alex, I'll be back shortly with my lengthy treatise on autographs. Just got to go feed the cat first ...
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   

I've got about twenty books with van Thal's scribble in it, though sadly none of them were in the Pan Horrors. All I've done was cut out his sig from one of the books that was in really bad repair and I've put it in Pan Horror 1 as an insert.

Might not be perfect, but for resale value, it's worth at least five times as much as what it would have done.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:22 pm:   

OK, here I go on autographs. If you find the subject boring (as most sane people do), please look away now.

First, just to clarify my own position here. If any of you are thinking "Heck, I've signed books for her and she's only interested in them from a monetary point of view", no, that's not the case at all. I collect signed books and other such autographed goodies because I love them, treasure them, and want to keep them - not to sell. But, during the course of my communications with other autograph collectors, I do find out a bit about values and selling autographs, so that's where my info comes from. But rest assured, your signature is safe in my hands!

But as to values, basically the rarer it is, the more it's worth. So, if someone rarely signs, their signature will be worth more. If it's a rare item which is signed (such as a limited edition book, like Johnny's "Legacy .."), then again it's worth more.

Also, autograph collectors are a morbid lot - once someone dies, the value of their signature shoots up (of course, they won't be signing anything else once they're dead!).

So, basically, the way to get a valuable signed book is:
a) make it a limited edition one
b) get as many authors as possible to sign it, especially those who are difficult to get
c) bump 'em off once they've signed!

>>Much cooler is the fact that it'll now cost you a very reasonable £500 if you want to add my sig to the ones you already have. Fair's fair.<<

And a lot of people do that too - ie. make a bit of money out of selling their own signatures! A lot of former stars from Doctor Who/Star Wars/other cult TV and film make a little bit on the side by going round conventions and selling signed photos.

And it's not confined to actors. There's a regular autograph show where astronauts, among other people, sell their signed photos. Many former NASA astronauts, who most people have never heard of, will charge £100 or more for a signature! Fortunately, I have no interest whatsoever in astronauts.


BTW all being well, I'm off to Leeds Comic Con on Saturday to get some signed graphic novels and such like. In particular, Bryan Talbot will be signing his new (2nd) Grandville GN there. Looking forward to it ...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:33 pm:   

>>I've got about twenty books with van Thal's scribble in it, though sadly none of them were in the Pan Horrors. All I've done was cut out his sig from one of the books that was in really bad repair and I've put it in Pan Horror 1 as an insert.<<

Yes, that's not too bad in his case as I guess his is quite a rare sig? The chances of finding a PBoH1 with his signature in it would be pretty small, I guess? (and it'd be worth a fortune too, I'm sure!).

But a book that has actually been signed (ie. handled) by the person concerned is always worth more than one with, say, a signed bookplate inserted.

I picked up a Peter Haining book for a fiver in bad repair - "The Treasure Hunter's Guide". It's of no real interest to me, and I keep thinking I might cut out the sig and put it in my "Time Traveller's Guide" (a Doc Who book, for those who don't know) instead. But I can't bring myself to cut up a book!
[I've already got a signed Haining BTW - "Classics of the Supernatural". He was kind enough to sign it through the post for me (when he was still alive, obviously!) and did a lovely little dedication - almost an essay - in the front!]

BTW Johnny, if you want to give one of those van Thal sigs a good home, you know where I live don't you?
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.149.161.187
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:34 pm:   

Johnny - me too!
Er, if you're looking for homes...
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:44 pm:   

Here's a weird one, having an argument with the valuers at the moment for insurance porpoises:

I have the 30th Pan Book of Horror Stories signed by 5 of the contributors and 1 artist, including a certain Stephen King. I know that he's only ever signed this certain book for two people in his life, but as it's not one of his books does this make it highly desirable as A: It's the last Pan Horror B: He's only signed one other #30 and C: (permit me some self-indulgence here) It's in my collection, and I am now involved with the Pan's and have probably the most comprehensive PBoH collection seen.

They're trying to tell me that the book isn't valuable because of the fact it's not one of SK's own books that he's signed; I would argue it's as valuable and important because of this very fact. They have estimated the book at £100. I've told them not to be daft, it's went for more unsigned Ebay.
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Tony (Tony)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.149.161.187
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:51 pm:   

My God!!! That book might as well be printed on gold paper!!!
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:56 pm:   

Johnny, where do YOU live? I want to burgle your house!

You are absolutely right. For a start, King's signature is one of the rare ones. If you know for sure it's signed by him (there are lots of fake King signatures about - if you bought it on eBay, chances are it's fake, for example - even auction houses can be dodgy in this regard as they're not actually autograph experts) then that's the first plus point. Nowadays, he doesn't sign through the post (don't tell me you wrote to him and got it signed, you silver-tongued devil you?), and his personal appearances (especially in the UK) are few and far between.

It's also a very rare PBoH, as you know. Plus you are absolutely right - if a book actually comes from the library of someone of note, then it's worth more (although, hope you don't mind me saying, but at the moment you're not THAT well known. Once you've edited some PBoH's, that will be a different matter!)

To say it's only worth £100 is utter nonsense. I wouldn't like to put a value on it myself, but I'd say you're certainly talking several hundred pounds minimum.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.176.178.44
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 05:02 pm:   

I would also say that a simple signature is worth more than a personalised one - so, for instance, a book signed "Ramsey Campbell" would be worth more than one signed "To Lord P. - thank you for our night of passion; I can hardly walk this morning - Ramsey".
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted From: 86.176.178.44
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 05:02 pm:   

...although I'd pay a fair bit for that!
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 05:04 pm:   

I've been in touch with his secretary for about three years now - she got the signature on my behalf when he went to his Bangor offices. Took about 6 months to get it though, but it was worth it in the end.

And I don't mind you saying, because it's utterly true! If I'm a note, then it's a bum one :D

And you would never get into my house. Biscuit would hump you to death first. :D
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 07:32 pm:   

Good point, Mick - I forgot to say that about personalised autographs! Yes, if they're personalised, it devalues them in monetary terms. But personalised ones are, of course, of much greater non-monetary value to an autograph nerd like me! I always like to get mine personalised.

>>one signed "To Lord P. - thank you for our night of passion; I can hardly walk this morning - Ramsey".

...although I'd pay a fair bit for that!<<

You and me both, Mick!

Johnny - you're a lucky sod!
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 07:45 pm:   

Caroline - I'd say personalised ones are as valuable as they are less likely to be faked...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 08:28 pm:   

Nope, sorry to disagree Johnny but they're not.

The thing is, if someone is selling a book, signed photo or what ever, if it's signed "To Caroline .." then no-one really wants to buy it unless their name happens to be Caroline. So, if you're selling nowadays, most buyers want something which is just a signature (or a "Best wishes from Stephen King" or something like that, but with no name). In fact, some dealers who trade in autographed photos actually remove any dedications before selling them!

There's a difference, though, when it comes to older signed stuff. If your Berties are dedicated (assuming that he tended to dedicate - which not everyone does), they'll probably be worth more because that does go some considerable way to proving that they're genuine. But certainly a signed Stephen King without dedication is going to be more valuable than one with a dedication.

Basically, if it's contemporary it's worth more undedicated; if it's vintage, it's worth more (and most likely to be) dedicated.
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 10:28 pm:   

I've actually been had by one book that I bought that I thought had Bertie's signature in it (name only) - and when I got it, was plain to see it had been faked. I couldn't believe that someone would go to those lengths to forge a rather obscure anthologist and biographer!

There's a guy who runs a memorabilia shop in town, he'll only buy stuff in that's been dedicated, contemporary or otherwise.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 10:52 pm:   

>>There's a guy who runs a memorabilia shop in town, he'll only buy stuff in that's been dedicated, contemporary or otherwise.<<

Then he's definitely one of the good guys in my book. I, personally, would much rather buy something dedicated - no matter who it's dedicated to - as I reckon it helps show authenticity (it doesn't prove it of course - people can still fake dedications!). But the general view is that undedicated sells better, which is why dealers tend to do it that way and can charge more when they do.

I can't believe someone would forge a Bertie! It happens all the time with people like Stephen King, but it's pretty rare with, as you say, a rather obscure person like that.

Autograph fakers are one of my least favourite kinds of people - you'd be amazed at the amount of money those b******s make on a site like eBay.
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Posted From: 88.106.8.239
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 02:36 am:   

Thankyou to Caroline and Johnny for providing much insight into the maniacal world of signed books.

Neither of you has yet clamped your dentures around the aforementioned 'Stevie Walsh Hypothetical'...
Someone has a rare anthology copied onto ringbound A4 sheets and then has it signed by the authors. Does it elevate the value much beyond the cost of the raw materials involved in producing it? Or does it become a Unique Object commanding £squillions in the memorabilia industry?

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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 09:33 am:   

As it was I who printed it out, scribbled over certain pages and some parts of the final book are now different to what Stevie has - it's value now rests on the fact that I die early and become a leg-end.

It IS an ARC of some sorts, but who knows? It's only worth as much as someone would be willing to pay for it.
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Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker)
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Registered: 12-2009
Posted From: 62.30.117.235
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 09:48 am:   

I dug out my copy of Moreau's Other Island by Brian Aldiss yesterday, and was nicely surprised to discover that it was a signed copy.

On the dedicated/not dedicated question, I've heard of comics people who will sign books, but only with dedications, because they want to sign for fans, not enrich eBay merchants.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted From: 86.176.178.44
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 11:37 am:   

In the TV world they've become somewhat more commercially minded, in that many stars only sign for a fee, in the knowledge that's there's a fair chance the autographs will be sold anyhow and they're simply taking their cut of any profits early.
Speaking personally, I always prefer a dedication, whether it's worth less or not, as I've never yet had something signed with the idea of selling it afterwards. Signatures are for me, not eBay.
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Skunsworth (Skunsworth)
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Posted From: 92.16.62.44
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 11:53 am:   

I'm with Mick on this one - I much prefer a personalisation (preferably an offensive one) to a mere signature. It might reduce the resale value, but that assumes that a) I'll ever resell and b) that I judge value by commercial amounts alone, which I don't - my signed and personalised books are far more valuable to me because someone took the time to write something for me. And, if I'm really lucky, drew a small picture of a spurting tumesence (thank you, Steve Duffy!)

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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   

Alex, I'm just glad to have the stories in printed form (as opposed to reading them off a screen) and enjoyed the process of making the "book" look as good as I possibly could with my limited resources. I did the same with all those obscure pieces of Lovecraftian juvenalia & other oddities - like 'Sweet Ermengarde' - available online to produce my 'Book Of Lost Lovecraft Tales'.

Fiction must be read off printed paper... call it an obsession with me but that's how it is. I still haven't read Blackwood's 'The Willows' nor will I until I have it in printed form in a book.

Also I'm one of these odd people who doesn't give a stuff about signatures, except when they're meant personally as with Jonathan & Zed - and then I wouldn't dream of parting with them. I tend to value the actual stories in the book rather more.
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Posted From: 88.106.63.39
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 02:25 pm:   

Stevie - your last paragraph nails it. Exactly my sentiments.

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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Posted From: 88.106.63.39
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 04:01 pm:   

Stevie = BTW I hope Johnny only charged you his usual nominal $50 fee for supplying you with the BFTD printout.

The man's never had it so good.



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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 04:32 pm:   

Thanks, Alex. I'm dying to read your new story in that collection but will withhold the pleasure until I've completed my re-read. It's all in the anticipation...
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Posted From: 88.106.63.39
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 06:36 pm:   

Stevie, you're very kind, but compared to the work of my heroines snd heroes on this board. you'll find it very shallow. Shallow is my forte, unfortunately.

Enough of that. Back to signatures. I suspect that there's one that would blow the roof off Johnny's Pan-filled bungalow; even his Stephen King autograph would pale into insignificance. Johnny knows what it is...

But it's doubtful that he'll ever get it.

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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Friday, November 19, 2010 - 08:06 pm:   

>>Thankyou to Caroline and Johnny for providing much insight into the maniacal world of signed books.<<

You're welcome, Alex. Now, can I have your autograph please?
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
Username: Alexicon

Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 88.106.5.251
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 01:00 am:   

Caroline: there are several to choose from...

Now stop it! Your memorabilia obsession is unhealhy.
Having said that, you'll no doubt defy me, jump in the Merc and zip over to Leeds Comic Con for another fix.

Please report here afterwards for counselling.

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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 07:20 pm:   

OK, Alex, since you insist that I "report here afterwards" ...

Now this is why autograph collecting (and, in particular, in-person signed book collecting) is so much fun. It's not just the signature, it's the memory of a great event which goes with that signature.

Today at Leeds Comic Con I got the following:

Bryan Talbot's new Grandville graphic novel "Grandville Mon Amour", not only signed but also with a sketch of Inspector le Brock's girlfriend, Billie the Badger. And Bryan remembered me! Which I guess isn't surprising as I seem to turn up where ever he's doing a signing! Apparently, there's a Grandville 3 on the cards too.

Next, I met an artist I confess I know nothing about, I.N.J. Culbard. Of course, I told him (in the nicest possible way) that I'm not at all familiar with his work, but he was selling a graphic novel of Lovecraft's "At The Mountains of Madness" so I couldn't resist. He did a lovely drawing of a zoog from "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath" for me, and we had a quick chat about obscure classic horror tales such as "Varney the Vampyre". The publishers of the GN I bought today (selfmadehero.com) are doing a GN anthology of Lovecraft tales shortly too, which I think I'll be looking out for.

Finally, Leigh Moore (daughter of Alan Moore, I believe?) and her partner John Reppion. I bought their "Complete Alice in Wonderland" which they both signed for me. I quite fancied their "Complete Dracula" too, but I'd spent up by then. The couple were juggling their cute little baby son between them as they signed for me. I bet he's going to be a superb artist/illustrator when he grows up with his pedigree!

All in all a most enjoyable afternoon in Leeds. Autograph collecting isn't unhealthy at all, Alex; it's brilliant!
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 81.155.172.153
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 10:32 pm:   

I've always been a bit ambivalent about signed books -yeah, it's nice to see a scribble in the front when you open it up, but the most important thing is reading the book.

gcw
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 09:47 pm:   

Alex, to answer THAT question: It would be nice, but I've done the next best thing. Have written a sequel to THE CLINIC. ;)
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Alexicon (Alexicon)
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Registered: 10-2009
Posted From: 88.106.57.186
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 03:29 am:   

Mon Dieu! Well done, Johnny. Retro Pan-style simulation, or something more exotic?

I hope to see it in your forthcoming PBH mass-market antho - on the page, so to speak. For that reason, please don't forward a preview in netgob form. It spoils the reading experience.

Caroline - thankyou for your report. Sounds like it was quite rewarding - and good fun. I think you know by now that I was being impish with you. It's a character deficiency.

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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
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Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 09:02 am:   

Wrote it a month or so ago back. Was wondering if there could ever be an angle to writing a sequel; bearing in mind that you couldn't really do any more to poor Ellen than what had already been done. It's called 'The Helping Hand' and is VERY 70s in style...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 04:25 pm:   

>>Caroline - thankyou for your report. Sounds like it was quite rewarding - and good fun. I think you know by now that I was being impish with you.<<

Of course I do, Alex, but when I enjoy a good signing event I want to tell everyone about it!

Re "The Clinic" I confess I've never read it, not having that particular Pan in my possession. But I've heard much about it. Since I enjoyed "An Outing with H" so much, do you reckon I'd like "The Clinic"? Not to mention Johnny's sequel?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 05:15 pm:   

But 'The Clinic' was written by Alex White, and highly disturbing it is too [14th Pan, 1972]... is there something I'm missing here?
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 05:22 pm:   

He'll deny it until the sun goes down and then comes up again...
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 05:35 pm:   

You don't mean that CH is also AW?!

I'm confused... can someone email me the solution to this enigma!
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 06:13 pm:   

I put the question to him ages ago - asking him if he was ONE of the several people who wrote as Alex White. He has denied it.
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.22.237.21
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 06:28 pm:   

bearing in mind that you couldn't really do any more to poor Ellen than what had already been done

How about multiple rape?
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.22.237.21
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 06:29 pm:   

Fiendish, I know
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 08:38 pm:   

Ooops, sorry, my mistake! That was a complete accident. I'm getting my Pan authors mixed up.

No, our Alexicon isn't Alex White (at least, not unless he says he is! )

Sorry I got you all excited, Stevie.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 08:44 pm:   

Oh and sorry to Alex too, for potentially sparking a situation where Alex White fans are stalking him to find out who he really is.

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