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     Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains) Username: Johnny_mains Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.31.118.252 |
So, after a 'under a mass distributed denial of service attack' - Wikileaks let loose the thousands of cables which will give diplomacy a sore head for the next few years... The first four The Guardian are reporting fix on: • Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime. (bit of a no-brainer) • Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan. • Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family. (But we already know about Harry dressing up as a Nazi...) But well done Wikileaks - if only for revealing that the U.S. particularly dinnae like David 'The C**t' Cameron... Interesting times ahead, that's for sure! | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
It is our lot to live in interesting times... | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
I don't think that Wikileaks are a particularly helpful organisation. It's not that I'm pro-censorship of the media at all, I just don't see how this information is going to help anyone in anyway. They seem bullish without thinking about the consequences of their actions. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Have to agree with that, Jonathan. Diplomacy is not a dirty word. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
There's this certain bullishness about these 'truth' seekers on the net, that I think is really just their ego talking. 'Leaks' like these genuinely can lead to security threats which could lead to unecessary deaths. Sure, not everything the government does I agree with (what's new) but diplomacy and the careful handling of information has to be a part of politics in a world where there are huge international threats. The head of wiki-leaks comes across as a right tool, much more concerned with his own profile than with the harm he can (and will) do with the indiscriminate distribution of potentially harmful info. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I agree, Jon, there is something a bit self-serving about these info-leakers. Also, is any of this stuff rally news-worthy? I mean, we already know it all anyway...it's a bit like leaking the fact that Simon Cowell wears his trousers too high. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.148 |
Many journalists can be unpleasant and egotistical people, but that doesn't mean that what they do doesn't provide a valuable service. Provding us with facts rather than hunches is a good thing. The only possibly dangerous thing is that there's no discrimination as to what to reveal. But then again, should only those doing the covering up make those decisions? I don't think so, but it's a tricky one. If nothing else, it'll remind governments that they can't necessarily act with impunity. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.96.78 |
I am the Threadkiller. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
I'm just glad there's no Craigileaks. Twenty-five years of finely-detailed truths about what I was actually thinking or doing, when I was saying or claiming to do other things. Total 100% accurate accounts applied to my own life and revealed publicly. It would probably destroy my relationships with everyone, even myself. The only possible forgiveness I could rely on from others, is the notion that if anyone else on the planet had a fillintheblankleaks on THEM, it would be the same damn thing.... | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 12.165.240.116 |
Someone should ask Brewers infielder Ricky Weeks what he thinks about WikiLeaks. Preferably someone speaking with a Japanese accent. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
This seems to sum it up... http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/unmanned-wikileaks-drone-destro ys-afghan-village-201011293295/ | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.117.87 |
I've always thought that governments do their most heinous acts out in the open. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
I'd say this one's in the public interest... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101201/tuk-uk-wikileaks-britain-usa-fa6b408.html Funny how those of us with the balls to oppose an illegal war were called traitors, isn't it? While our government actually puts the interest of a foreign power (friendly or otherwise) above those of the people who elected it. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Oh look: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-ama zon Still, it could have been worse, if this ducking shunt had had his way: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/26/wikileaks-fox-iraq-war-logs | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 89.19.82.126 |
http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2010/12/04/12387 | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Dear god. I'm very suspicious of the focus some critics have put on WikiLeaks' 'motives'. It's essentially psychologising, try to discredit their actions by impugning the reasons behind it. It's essentially an ad hominem attack, and like all such attacks it's contemptible. WikiLeaks has exposed mendacity, corruption, hypocrisy and criminality on an appalling scale. No-one else has even tried to, let alone call the criminals to account. Where we're supposed to go from here, of course, is anyone's guess, since it's rather difficult to call to account the people who essentially run the legal and judicial systems as well as controlling the police, army and security services. Which is why I hold anyone willing to dispense with civil liberties in the name of security in utter contempt- they're our only defences against our governments, and the only thing which reminds those governments who's supposed to be in charge. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.135.212 |
I hear they have news about aliens! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.135.212 |
'I am the Threadkiller' - nah, I do that by mentioning Jeremy Brett. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Is there news about aliens, Tony?! That would be awesome. Okay, this guy leaked, what - twice before? Right? Big leaks. Everyone was in a brouhaha then... but not NEAR, not even CLOSE, to the crazy anger of now. And when I say "everyone," I mean those filthy corruptocrats in power. This whole leak to me, rips the lid off the lying, conniving, elitist, arrogant, repulsive and peculating masks of those in power. No, Simon's list is better - "mendacity, corruption, hypocrisy and criminality." I have been so depressed - well, more like existentially, abstractly depressed - about the sheer, unmitigated corruption I see everywhere in the world. Or have been re-made re-aware of. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming, it just makes you think... what's the point of even trying anymore?... I mean, trying to hold values, ethics, morals, etc., in a world gone so dark. A world that so completely hands everything to the wicked, and withholds all from the good. I've always believed, that: In the land of wolves, to be a sheep is foolish. So should I be living, following my own maxim...?  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.135.212 |
Craig - my feelings exactly. I feel like i'm in that Monsters film, actually, just watching as shit happens. I think we're on the way out, experiencing the whimper. I've heard there might be alien news, but nothing clear. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.143.135.212 |
Craig - a bit of wonder for you; http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
I liked that Tony! Works well with an idea a friend of mine and I are generating.... Jesus, this Wikileaks is serious shit, its own Hollywood movie: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/05/wikileaks-ready-release-massive-insuranc e-file-shut/ What's in that file?... I'll make a wild crazy guess - MORE CORRUPTION!!!! | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.196.193 |
"what's the point of even trying anymore?... I mean, trying to hold values, ethics, morals, etc., in a world gone so dark." Through corrupt self-interest my government is responsible for the largest financial disaster in the history of the world. So I've had similar thoughts. But maybe this is where art comes in. It's that time of year again - Christmas is when we watch WW2 films. Is that the modern version of good triumphing over overwhelming evil? Think of how easy it is to submit to the forces controlling an occupied country, and how difficult it is to go against them. Imagine you're in a film. What does your character choose to do? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.201.245 |
God, that paragraph was like riffling through a book. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Problem is, Proto, I feel often like it's a horror film. Or using the WW2 analogy: there are no Allies out there. To me, it's sickening to hear the Right here in America lament the leaks and call for Assange's head. He should be given a medal for exposing what he did. For lifting rocks and letting us see the squirmy disgusting bugs underneath. Those bugs, are our titular rulers.... | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 89.19.83.19 |
There may not be allies, but there is a resistance movement. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
There may not be allies, but there is a resistance movement. Again, much more positive an outlook than I enjoy in general at the moment. The world I see, at the moment, is very much like the end of the 1978 INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, where I'm the hapless Veronica Cartwright... so is it really so bad to just take a nap and forget about everything?... forever?... (yes, I'm being overly dramatic - I am trying to riff off of WW2 here, after all!)  | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.83.221 |
"so is it really so bad to just take a nap and forget about everything?... forever?" Yes, it really IS so bad. It's one of the few ways you can truly lose. When Napoleon's soldiers retreated from Russia, the ones who succumbed to the temptation to rest didn't survive. | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 212.219.63.204 |
I agree with Craig. instead of winging and crying and calling for Assange's head and trumpign up charges on whih to hang him, the powers that be should be thanking him for showing how bloody careless they were to mislay the stuff in the first place. As for the Right in America, to an Englishman like me, they seem a peculair almost childish breed who see the world in Hollywood black and white. Cheers Terry | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
You know, I'll keep marching, Proto, just so maybes I can catch up with Napoleon's column and put a bayonet through the little frog for DRAGGING ME OUT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!  | ||
| Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains) Username: Johnny_mains Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 86.31.118.252 |
Should we start a deadpool to see what country Assagne gets bumped off in? I think maybe suicide after he leaps from a ground floor window from inside secure cell in a Brixton police station... | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 212.219.63.204 |
Milosovitch-style heart attack while in his cell. Needle marks? What needle marks? What he must never do is go for a stroll in the woods, some one might just be waiting to commit his suicide for him.... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
Proto - for some reason your words conjur the image of Steve McQueen sat at a laptop. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
My God. This lad's about twelve. I fucking hate the united shits of America. http://www.freebradley.org/english.html Anyone, just find all the petitions you can find for these people and sign them. This is just awful. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
'In December 2010, Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, told The Andrew Marr Show on the BBC, that WikiLeaks had information that it considers to be a "thermo-nuclear device" which it would release if the organisation needs to defend itself.' Wow. | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 212.219.63.204 |
Tony... Whereas in countries like Burma and North Korea and China it is the government that acts like children who punishes anyone who steps out of line, in the USA it seems as is its the people themselves who at like a fascist dictatorship. A strange reversal. oppressive government, people who crave freedom of speech, Democratic government, elements of the people are oppressive and fascist. Regads Terry | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060906170. html | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
They've mentioned, Tony, that Assange's "thermo-nuclear device" has something to do with Bank of America (where my dad works, btw - it's a giant company in Simi Valley, with many corporate locations here alone) - my guess is, if revealed, it would show that Bank of America is much like Al Capone's vault: empty as the grave. A bank which is gigantic, and holds many mortgages, and processes more foreclosures than your worst nightmares (BofA took over [forced to, by the U.S. government] the now notorious Countrywide). If there were a run on BofA, or somehow the government had to come in and prop it up completely?... I think it could trigger a world-wide economic collapse. But this is just one supposed portion of the doomsday document, and then also, I'm just guessing in the dark. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.153.151.150 |
More mysterious uplift, even if the description of the aliens leaves you thinking they're duller than us. http://www.huliq.com/10282/ufo-sighting-evidence-files-unearthed-brays-point |