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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 08:02 pm:   

So, after a 'under a mass distributed denial of service attack' - Wikileaks let loose the thousands of cables which will give diplomacy a sore head for the next few years...

The first four The Guardian are reporting fix on:

Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme

 Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime. (bit of a no-brainer)

 Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan.

 Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family. (But we already know about Harry dressing up as a Nazi...)

But well done Wikileaks - if only for revealing that the U.S. particularly dinnae like David 'The C**t' Cameron...

Interesting times ahead, that's for sure!
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 11:57 am:   

It is our lot to live in interesting times...
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
Username: Jonathan

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.143.178.131
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 11:57 am:   

I don't think that Wikileaks are a particularly helpful organisation. It's not that I'm pro-censorship of the media at all, I just don't see how this information is going to help anyone in anyway. They seem bullish without thinking about the consequences of their actions.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 12:08 pm:   

Have to agree with that, Jonathan. Diplomacy is not a dirty word.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
Username: Jonathan

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 91.143.178.131
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   

There's this certain bullishness about these 'truth' seekers on the net, that I think is really just their ego talking. 'Leaks' like these genuinely can lead to security threats which could lead to unecessary deaths. Sure, not everything the government does I agree with (what's new) but diplomacy and the careful handling of information has to be a part of politics in a world where there are huge international threats. The head of wiki-leaks comes across as a right tool, much more concerned with his own profile than with the harm he can (and will) do with the indiscriminate distribution of potentially harmful info.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 195.166.117.210
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 12:31 pm:   

I agree, Jon, there is something a bit self-serving about these info-leakers.

Also, is any of this stuff rally news-worthy? I mean, we already know it all anyway...it's a bit like leaking the fact that Simon Cowell wears his trousers too high.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 147.252.230.148
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 01:43 pm:   

Many journalists can be unpleasant and egotistical people, but that doesn't mean that what they do doesn't provide a valuable service. Provding us with facts rather than hunches is a good thing. The only possibly dangerous thing is that there's no discrimination as to what to reveal. But then again, should only those doing the covering up make those decisions? I don't think so, but it's a tricky one.

If nothing else, it'll remind governments that they can't necessarily act with impunity.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.96.78
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 06:17 pm:   

I am the Threadkiller.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 09:06 pm:   

I'm just glad there's no Craigileaks. Twenty-five years of finely-detailed truths about what I was actually thinking or doing, when I was saying or claiming to do other things. Total 100% accurate accounts applied to my own life and revealed publicly. It would probably destroy my relationships with everyone, even myself. The only possible forgiveness I could rely on from others, is the notion that if anyone else on the planet had a fillintheblankleaks on THEM, it would be the same damn thing....
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
Username: Chris_morris

Registered: 04-2008
Posted From: 12.165.240.116
Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 10:04 pm:   

Someone should ask Brewers infielder Ricky Weeks what he thinks about WikiLeaks. Preferably someone speaking with a Japanese accent.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:39 am:   

This seems to sum it up...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/unmanned-wikileaks-drone-destro ys-afghan-village-201011293295/
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.117.87
Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 12:54 am:   

I've always thought that governments do their most heinous acts out in the open.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 01:07 pm:   

I'd say this one's in the public interest...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101201/tuk-uk-wikileaks-britain-usa-fa6b408.html

Funny how those of us with the balls to oppose an illegal war were called traitors, isn't it? While our government actually puts the interest of a foreign power (friendly or otherwise) above those of the people who elected it.
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 09:32 pm:   

Oh look:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-ama zon

Still, it could have been worse, if this ducking shunt had had his way:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/26/wikileaks-fox-iraq-war-logs
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 89.19.82.126
Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 07:10 pm:   

http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2010/12/04/12387
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Simon Bestwick (Simon_b)
Username: Simon_b

Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.209.217
Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 08:06 pm:   

Dear god. I'm very suspicious of the focus some critics have put on WikiLeaks' 'motives'. It's essentially psychologising, try to discredit their actions by impugning the reasons behind it. It's essentially an ad hominem attack, and like all such attacks it's contemptible.

WikiLeaks has exposed mendacity, corruption, hypocrisy and criminality on an appalling scale. No-one else has even tried to, let alone call the criminals to account. Where we're supposed to go from here, of course, is anyone's guess, since it's rather difficult to call to account the people who essentially run the legal and judicial systems as well as controlling the police, army and security services.

Which is why I hold anyone willing to dispense with civil liberties in the name of security in utter contempt- they're our only defences against our governments, and the only thing which reminds those governments who's supposed to be in charge.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.135.212
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 04:45 pm:   

I hear they have news about aliens!
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.135.212
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 04:47 pm:   

'I am the Threadkiller'
- nah, I do that by mentioning Jeremy Brett.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 05:34 pm:   

Is there news about aliens, Tony?! That would be awesome.

Okay, this guy leaked, what - twice before? Right? Big leaks. Everyone was in a brouhaha then... but not NEAR, not even CLOSE, to the crazy anger of now. And when I say "everyone," I mean those filthy corruptocrats in power.

This whole leak to me, rips the lid off the lying, conniving, elitist, arrogant, repulsive and peculating masks of those in power. No, Simon's list is better - "mendacity, corruption, hypocrisy and criminality."

I have been so depressed - well, more like existentially, abstractly depressed - about the sheer, unmitigated corruption I see everywhere in the world. Or have been re-made re-aware of. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming, it just makes you think... what's the point of even trying anymore?... I mean, trying to hold values, ethics, morals, etc., in a world gone so dark. A world that so completely hands everything to the wicked, and withholds all from the good.

I've always believed, that: In the land of wolves, to be a sheep is foolish. So should I be living, following my own maxim...?
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.135.212
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 06:44 pm:   

Craig - my feelings exactly. I feel like i'm in that Monsters film, actually, just watching as shit happens.
I think we're on the way out, experiencing the whimper.
I've heard there might be alien news, but nothing clear.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.143.135.212
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 07:00 pm:   

Craig - a bit of wonder for you;
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 09:13 pm:   

I liked that Tony! Works well with an idea a friend of mine and I are generating....

Jesus, this Wikileaks is serious shit, its own Hollywood movie: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/05/wikileaks-ready-release-massive-insuranc e-file-shut/

What's in that file?... I'll make a wild crazy guess - MORE CORRUPTION!!!!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.196.193
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 10:53 pm:   

"what's the point of even trying anymore?... I mean, trying to hold values, ethics, morals, etc., in a world gone so dark."

Through corrupt self-interest my government is responsible for the largest financial disaster in the history of the world. So I've had similar thoughts. But maybe this is where art comes in. It's that time of year again - Christmas is when we watch WW2 films. Is that the modern version of good triumphing over overwhelming evil? Think of how easy it is to submit to the forces controlling an occupied country, and how difficult it is to go against them. Imagine you're in a film. What does your character choose to do?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.152.201.245
Posted on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 10:11 am:   

God, that paragraph was like riffling through a book.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 04:25 pm:   

Problem is, Proto, I feel often like it's a horror film. Or using the WW2 analogy: there are no Allies out there.

To me, it's sickening to hear the Right here in America lament the leaks and call for Assange's head. He should be given a medal for exposing what he did. For lifting rocks and letting us see the squirmy disgusting bugs underneath. Those bugs, are our titular rulers....
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 89.19.83.19
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 12:31 am:   

There may not be allies, but there is a resistance movement.
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 06:03 am:   

There may not be allies, but there is a resistance movement.

Again, much more positive an outlook than I enjoy in general at the moment. The world I see, at the moment, is very much like the end of the 1978 INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, where I'm the hapless Veronica Cartwright... so is it really so bad to just take a nap and forget about everything?... forever?...

(yes, I'm being overly dramatic - I am trying to riff off of WW2 here, after all!)
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.79.83.221
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 10:37 am:   

"so is it really so bad to just take a nap and forget about everything?... forever?"

Yes, it really IS so bad. It's one of the few ways you can truly lose.

When Napoleon's soldiers retreated from Russia, the ones who succumbed to the temptation to rest didn't survive.
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Mbfg (Mbfg)
Username: Mbfg

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 212.219.63.204
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 11:47 am:   

I agree with Craig. instead of winging and crying and calling for Assange's head and trumpign up charges on whih to hang him, the powers that be should be thanking him for showing how bloody careless they were to mislay the stuff in the first place.

As for the Right in America, to an Englishman like me, they seem a peculair almost childish breed who see the world in Hollywood black and white.

Cheers
Terry
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 04:45 pm:   

You know, I'll keep marching, Proto, just so maybes I can catch up with Napoleon's column and put a bayonet through the little frog for DRAGGING ME OUT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
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Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains)
Username: Johnny_mains

Registered: 04-2010
Posted From: 86.31.118.252
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 05:54 pm:   

Should we start a deadpool to see what country Assagne gets bumped off in? I think maybe suicide after he leaps from a ground floor window from inside secure cell in a Brixton police station...
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Mbfg (Mbfg)
Username: Mbfg

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 212.219.63.204
Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 06:41 pm:   

Milosovitch-style heart attack while in his cell. Needle marks? What needle marks?

What he must never do is go for a stroll in the woods, some one might just be waiting to commit his suicide for him....
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.155.202.203
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 12:42 am:   

Proto - for some reason your words conjur the image of Steve McQueen sat at a laptop.
:-(
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.155.202.203
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 11:01 am:   

My God. This lad's about twelve. I fucking hate the united shits of America.
http://www.freebradley.org/english.html
Anyone, just find all the petitions you can find for these people and sign them. This is just awful.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.155.202.203
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 11:14 am:   

'In December 2010, Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, told The Andrew Marr Show on the BBC, that WikiLeaks had information that it considers to be a "thermo-nuclear device" which it would release if the organisation needs to defend itself.'
Wow.
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Mbfg (Mbfg)
Username: Mbfg

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 212.219.63.204
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 11:53 am:   

Tony...

Whereas in countries like Burma and North Korea and China it is the government that acts like children who punishes anyone who steps out of line, in the USA it seems as is its the people themselves who at like a fascist dictatorship.

A strange reversal. oppressive government, people who crave freedom of speech, Democratic government, elements of the people are oppressive and fascist.
Regads
Terry
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.155.202.203
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   

:-(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060906170. html
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - 05:37 pm:   

They've mentioned, Tony, that Assange's "thermo-nuclear device" has something to do with Bank of America (where my dad works, btw - it's a giant company in Simi Valley, with many corporate locations here alone) - my guess is, if revealed, it would show that Bank of America is much like Al Capone's vault: empty as the grave. A bank which is gigantic, and holds many mortgages, and processes more foreclosures than your worst nightmares (BofA took over [forced to, by the U.S. government] the now notorious Countrywide). If there were a run on BofA, or somehow the government had to come in and prop it up completely?... I think it could trigger a world-wide economic collapse.

But this is just one supposed portion of the doomsday document, and then also, I'm just guessing in the dark.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.153.151.150
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2011 - 10:38 am:   

More mysterious uplift, even if the description of the aliens leaves you thinking they're duller than us.

http://www.huliq.com/10282/ufo-sighting-evidence-files-unearthed-brays-point

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