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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.23.9.238
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 05:23 pm:   

How long do you think it was before Dorothy got bored again and started wishing she was somewhere other than Kansas?

It's a serious question. I'd like Des to answer first.
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 05:43 pm:   

Bored of Kansas, off to Oz, bored of Oz, off back to Kansas, bored of Kansas again - where the heart is is where the heart is: Art & Literature, where there is only retrocausality, never duration. How long? As long as the yellow brick road? Nobody can answer first!
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.23.9.238
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 05:46 pm:   

There's no place like home, but without travelling a bit you'll never know that. So Dorothy's perception of home was mediated by fresh experience of not-home. But perception quickly gets hungry for new sights and after spending a few more weeks kicking around the dustbowl, she'd have been off on her travels again. I reckon.

But I still think she should have lived in Bradford.
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 05:54 pm:   

Nobody can answer last.
This is the first ever never-ending thread in the internet's history.
[Trying to find home one must first find not-home is an interesting concept and is expemlified by Where The Heart Is].
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 06:03 pm:   

"there may be no escape clause from a retrocausal future that feeds on the past"
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Skip (Wolfnoma)
Username: Wolfnoma

Registered: 07-2010
Posted From: 216.54.20.98
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 06:23 pm:   

"Home is where the heart is, my heart is in my chest."

-Capt. Hammer
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 06:32 pm:   

"This is the first ever never-ending thread in the internet's history."
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 08:28 pm:   

I think this quote is relevant to this never-ending thread:

I did not know how I felt: I was in turmoil. Through the tight-closed window I sent a glance up the crowded face of our town. Then, all was well. Yes, above me still burned the sentinel candles! Steadily, tier on tier, gleamed those points of light; each flame on its coloured wax stem, a symbolic heart shape. Each stood for a home! It was still Christmas, going with me, encircling me. Nothing *was* left behind.
Elizabeth Bowen – From ‘Candles In The Window’ 1958
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.23.9.238
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 09:36 am:   

I changed my mind. I don't want Des to answer first, after all. :-)
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
Username: John_l_probert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.142.147.0
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 09:46 am:   

I suspect the answer may be found in John Waters' early movie Dorothy, The Kansas City Pothead
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.171.167.169
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 09:47 am:   

That gives an interesting slant on the whole thread, Gary.
If I took you seriously, I could go back and delete my replies if this were a normal forum. Here I cannot. Retrocausality neutered, this home made permanent with no not-home to make it seem like home by contrast. Unless the home-maker (you), uses higher Moderator powers like a deity.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 01:12 pm:   

Gary says: "But I still think she should have lived in Bradford."

I don't know about Dorothy but Bradford actually WAS at the end of my own Yellow Brick Road!
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Craig (Craig)
Username: Craig

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 99.126.164.88
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 04:19 pm:   

Hey, I never knew about that Waters film (or, fragment), John! I'm going to have to go look for that now.

Ironically, if Waters left it unfinished... he must have got bored of it, right?...
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.23.9.238
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 04:46 pm:   

Des, can't I just drive down to Clacton and kick you in the pants?
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 05:02 pm:   

If you do it for what he's going to say tomorrow then that would be retrocausality in action and he'd welcome it...
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.169.220.33
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 05:27 pm:   

Aren't you stuck in Whitby?
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Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus)
Username: Rhysaurus

Registered: 01-2010
Posted From: 80.4.12.3
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 05:30 pm:   

Dorothy would never get bored of Kansas after her return and wish she was someplace else, for the simple fact that she had no imagination.

This can be demonstrated by her reaction to the things she encountered in Oz -- the talking lion, the living scarecrow, the proto-futuristic robot made of tin, etc. A person with imagination, any imagination whatsoever, would become a gibbering wreck within seconds.

Dorothy's psychology bore the brunt of everything extremely well.

The astronauts and cosmonauts that made the grade in the early days of the Space Age were primarily chosen because they had little or no imaginations. They simply weren't able to let their minds be blown. As it happened, a few of them did have mild imaginations, and they all went mad or religious or sold illegal stamps, etc.

This fact proves that those among us with the least imaginations often get to travel the furthest -- which is Dorothy's case in a nutshell. She would have stayed in Kansas forevermore, never getting bored; but if something else weird happened (maybe a fire tornado that carried her off to Dante's Inferno) she would have handled that situation with utter nonchalance too.
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Des (Des)
Username: Des

Registered: 09-2010
Posted From: 86.169.220.33
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 06:23 pm:   

Nonchalance is a wonderful asset to have
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
Username: Carolinec

Registered: 06-2009
Posted From: 92.232.199.129
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 06:29 pm:   

.. it's also a really nice word. Hmmm, hadn't realised that before ..
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 194.32.31.1
Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 12:31 pm:   

It's not where we live but how we are that counts...

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