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     Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.116 |
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/must-watch-first-teaser-trailer-for-rise-of-the -planet-of-the-apes/ I'm actually a bit excited about this! | ||
| Paul_finch (Paul_finch) Username: Paul_finch Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 92.5.51.72 |
I thought the first movie was a classic, but I didn't like the sequels, I didn't like the TV series and I hated the remake. However, on the basis of the trailer, I'm certainly interested in this one. | ||
| Glyn Morgan (Grmorgan) Username: Grmorgan Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 77.101.91.125 |
Everything seems to be "rising" at the moment: Dark Knight Rising, Up, .... okay I'm out. Also: nice to see Brian Cox reprising the role of William Stryker from X-Men 2. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.118.79.178 |
The final sequence of the original film still packs a punch. One of the most inspired endings I've ever seen. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>The final sequence of the original film still packs a punch. One of the most inspired endings I've ever seen.<< Hear, hear. That was the Rod Serling influence, of course. I remember telling my husband (who I'd then converted to the Twilight Zone as he'd never seen it before we met) to watch this film, to sit through it right to the end, and he'd love it. He almost gave up part way through the film as he couldn't understand what I was so enthusiastic about - until it got to the ending. He still talks about that ending as one of the best things he's ever seen on film.  Not sure I'd fancy watching a new Apes film - I just find the endless remakes of classic films so uninspiring. Where have all the new ideas gone? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The original is one of the GREAT sci-fi movies of all time while the series of sequels are great fun and set up the best time loop story in cinema history imo. I still get emotional when I think of 'Escape From The Planet Of The Apes' - one of the few films that made me cry as a child. Even though I know they're increasingly daft nonsense I still love those films. Have a great fondness for the TV Series as well even though it appears to take place in some parallel Ape universe. Tim Burton's remake stank to high heaven and was the most astonishing lapse of judgement in his mercurial career... up until 'Alice In Wonderland' that is. I have Pierre Boulle's novel in my TBR pile and might just read it next. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 82.210.134.81 |
I can't say I'm excited by this. Just when I thought this might turn to be a thoughtful, character driven movies, eschewing large set-pieces of monkeys tearing humans limb from limb, it ends with a monkey leaping through the air to take a helicopter out (: Mind you, the trailer is designed to draw in the action crowd, so perhaps I'm completely wrong. I hope so. I always loved the barmy 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes.' Didn't the great Rod Serling write the original Planet of the Apes screenplay. He wrote some cracking political thrillers, Seven Days In May with Kirk Douglas, anyone? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
'Seven Days In May' & 'Planet Of The Apes' are two of the best and most iconic American films of the 60s and I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know Rod Serling wrote the scripts. And there was me thinking I couldn't admire the man more! | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I think Serling co-wrote Planet of the Apes - can't remember who with though. And he did write 7 Days in May, I'm sure of that. One of my all-time writing heroes.  | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Rod Serling & Michael Wilson (?) co-wrote POTA. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Rod Serling wrote the original Planet of the Apes screenplay and added *that* ending, which isn't in the book. The sequels were written in whole or in part by Paul Dehn, who was the life partner of Hammer composer James Bernard | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.56 |
Who starred in the fictional musical version of Planet Of The Apes? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The look of this new prequel does nothing for me at all. The 'Planet Of The Apes' movies and TV show occupied a set period of time and had a look and charm all their own that I believe can never be recaptured. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Planet of the Apes is one of my Desert Island films. Utterly flawless. I wrote about it in mark Morris's Cinema Futura book from PS Publishing. I actually rewatched all the films in order prior to writing my article, and I'm still in love with them - the later films are very patchy, but they still retain that charm Stevie talks of. This new film has a few terrific simian-led moments in the trailer, and because of my rather weird fondness for monkeys, I'm willing to give it a chance. Then again, i said the same thing about Tim Burton's dire remake of the original... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I may be the only person in history who enjoyed Burton's remake. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I've not actually seen the Burton remake. I generally love his films so I might even like it too, Frank. I thought his "Alice ..." was brilliant (sorry, Stevie!) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Caroline - I was a Burton fan until recently, but it seems all story has been forsaken for the highest of production costs for set design. I haven't seen Alice,though. I've heard terrible things about it. (: | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
True, Frank. I don't think he'll ever match his early films like "The Nightmare Before Christmas", "Edward Scissorhands" and the Ed Wood biopic. I simply enjoyed "Alice.." as it brought my favourite childhood characters to life in 3D. Turning it into a kind of love story was a pretty naff idea, I admit. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Maybe I will like it, though, Caroline. Ed Wood for me is his masterpiece, though Big Fish is marvellous. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
'Sweeney Todd' was amazing, Frank! Evidence that he hasn't lost the plot completely. I still go for 'Mars Attacks!' as his masterpiece. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Stevie - Ah, yes, forgot about Mars Attacks. Still, Ed Wood for me is wonderful. Sweeney Todd, I have here, now, and have yet to watch it! | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Will I.. should I... aww, what the heck. Tim Burton (as director) at his best: 1. Mars Attacks! (1996) 2. Ed Wood (1994) 3. Sleepy Hollow (1999) 4. Sweeney Todd : The Demon Barber Of Fleet Street (2007) 5. Beetlejuice (1988) 6. Edward Scissorhands (1990) 7. Batman Returns (1992) 8. Batman (1989) 9. The Corpse Bride (2005) 10. Big Fish (2003) I positively hated 'Pee-Wee's Big Adventure' (1985), 'Planet Of The Apes' (2001) & 'Alice In Wonderland' (2010) - sorry, Caroline.  | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Me: 1. Ed Wood 2. Beetlejuice 3. Sleepy Hollow 4. Mars Attacks 5. Big Fish 6. Batman 7. Pee Wee Herman's Big Top Adventure???? Can't remember the title. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I haven't seen all of the ones you mention, but of the ones I've seen: 1. Ed Wood 2. Edward Scissorhands 3. Nightmare Before Christmas 4. Beetlejuice (how did I manage to forget that one?) 5. Alice in Wonderland 6. The Corpse Bride (forgot that one too!) 7. Sleepy Hollow 8. Mars Attacks I must watch Sweeney Todd some time ... | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.39 |
Nightmare Before Christmas was directed by Harry Sellick not Tim Burton... | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
If I was to slot 'The Nightmare Before Christmas' in it would be at No. 3 - knocking 'Big Fish' off the list (it was only okay anyway imo). Although he didn't direct I'm sure Tim Burton must have had a big creative say in TNBC and the film is a timeless masterpiece. One of the greatest animated movies, and musicals, ever made. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
I haven't seen many of his films since Sleepy Hollow. For me, I doubt he'll ever better Beetlejuice. I did, however, see Alice in Wonderland last year - which I thought was a fucking abomination. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Back with the Apes... the original Planet of the Apes is a definite all-time classic. I do have a fondness for Beneath the Planet of the Apes as well, though. It's a little messy, but there's a lot to like about it. That ending... | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.61.10 |
Quiz time!!! Who starred in the fictional musical version of Planet Of The Apes? | ||
| Paul_finch (Paul_finch) Username: Paul_finch Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 92.5.63.48 |
When I originally saw BENEATH, the first time it came out, I really enjoyed it. But having seen it more recently, it amazes me how much like a TV movie it is. I can't understand why Charlton Heston agreed to appear in it, unless he was under contract to do a couple of days' work on a sequel. There's not much in it for him. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>Who starred in the fictional musical version of Planet Of The Apes?<< I don't know why, Weber, but everyone seems to be ignoring you - didn't you ask that same question earlier? I admit, I have absolutely no idea - anyone else ..? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.41 |
Clue - "You may remember him from..." | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I just assumed it was Weber monkeying around, Caroline. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.132.139.222 |
When I originally saw BENEATH, the first time it came out, I really enjoyed it. But having seen it more recently, it amazes me how much like a TV movie it is. I can't understand why Charlton Heston agreed to appear in it, unless he was under contract to do a couple of days' work on a sequel. There's not much in it for him. I confess, I haven't seen it for about ten years, so you're probably right. I do remember it fondly, though. I believe you're spot on about why Heston appeared in it. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.41 |
A selection of the actor's other credits... The Erotic Adventures Of Hercules (Film), Good Time Slim, Uncle Dookie, and The Great Frisco' Freak Out (Film), Get Confident, Stupid (Self Help Video) Christmas Ape (Film) Man Versus Nature: The Road To Victory (Educational Film) The Candy Bar That Cleans and Straightens Teeth (Infomercial) The Decapitation Of Larry Leadfoot (Drivers Education Film) Lead Paint: Delicious But Deadly (Educational Film) Fuzzy Bunny's Guide To You Know What (Educational Film) Phony Tornado Alarms reduce Readiness (Educational Film) Smoke Yourself Thin (Self Help Video) After Mannix (TV Show) Hydro: The Man With Hydraulic Arms (Film) Firecrackers: The Silent Killer (Educational Film) Give My Remains To Broadway (Film) Son Of 'Samford And Son' (TV Show) Out With Gout '88 (Telethon Host) Christmas Ape Goes To Summer Camp (Film) Gladys The Groovy Mule (Film) The Presidents Neck Is Missing (Film) Locker Room Towel Fight: The Blinding Of Larry Driscoll (Educational Film) Meat Joe Blow (Film) Two Minus Three Equals Negative Fun (Educational Film) | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
David Hasselhoff? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I think the clue might be in the word "fictional". Is it Alan Partridge (aka. Steve Coogan) or somebody like that? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.35 |
He's also appeared in Dial M for Murderousness Alice's Adventure through the Windshield Glass P is for Psycho or you may remember him from ....such medical films as "Alice Doesn't Live Anymore" and "Mommy, What's Wrong With That Man's Face?". | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 217.20.16.180 |
Troy McClure | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Sticking to the Steve Coogan theme, is it anything to do with Dr Terrible's House of Horrible? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Anyone for Monkey Tennis? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.57 |
John got it - Troy Mcclure - our favourite washed up actor whose marriage to Selma bouvier (to distract media attention away from his peculiar fetish for our piscine friends) landed him enough of a career revival to land he leading role in Stop the Planet of the Apes I Want to Get Off at Springfield Broadway. Favourite quote from that episode gangster 1 - Troy McClure, I thought you said he was dead Gangster 2 - No I didn't I said he was sleeping with the fishes | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
OK, now I'm going to show my ignorance - who's Troy McClure?  | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
You may remember him from ....such fishing films as 'Cast Out' or 'The Reel Deal.' ....such films as "The Greatest Story Ever Hula-ed" and "They Came to Burgle Carnegie Hall". ....such Fox Network Specials as "Alien Nose Job" and "The Five Fabulous Weeks of the Chevy Chase Show". ....such nature films as "Earwigs: Ewwww" and "Man vs. Nature: The Road to Victory". ....such celebrity funerals as "Andre The Giant, We Hardly Knew Ye" and "Shemp Howard, Today We Mourn A Stooge". ....such automated information kiosks as "Welcome to Springfield Airport" and "Where's Nordstrom?". ....such Do-It-Yourself home videos such as "The half-assed approach to foundation repair" ....such dates as last nights dinner | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
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| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Ah, the genius of 'The Simpsons'... | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Would you believe I've never watched The Simpsons? I'm more a Tom and Jerry person myself.  | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.150.135.208 |
How can you not have watched the simpsons? Ever ? in the 20 years almost since it's been on? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I've been asleep all the time, Weber.  | ||
| Paul_finch (Paul_finch) Username: Paul_finch Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 92.5.63.48 |
The Simpsons is good, but the real laugh-out-loud stuff starts and finishes with Futurama. How can you beat a premise about having to deliver a package to a planet where humans are killed on sight? | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Futurama is genius. The most underrated animation show, or just show, of all time. The Simpsons is classic, as is South Park, but Futurama, as Paul rightly says, is where it all ends. Though for cult value, and genuine amazement at how they got away with it, Ren and Stimpy is way out there as far as animated excellence goes. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Personally, I prefer The Cleveland Show. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
'Futurama' is Matt Groening's crowning achievement imo. My favourite of all the modern animations and a show I watch every episode of periodically on DVD. Zapp Brannigan is the coolest man in the universe and my favourite of all his characters. 'The Simpsons' is beyond criticism and you really should watch it, Caroline. You would love the family friendly but still razor sharp humour, I have no doubt. Seasons 1-8 are as sublime as TV comedy gets - tear inducingly funny. The humour became ever more diluted after that, due to familiarity and a surfeit of celebrity guest appearances, but when the show fires it is still devastatingly funny and loveable. As well as Homer, Marge & the kids it's the incredible depth of the huge cast of supporting characters (like Troy McClure above) that makes the show so magical. Incidentally, Matt Groening is a huge Frank Zappa fan and that appreciation of fearless convention-popping satirical humour is more than evident in his shows. Here's my Top 10 adult animated TV shows: 1. Futurama 2. The Simpsons 3. Family Guy 4. South Park 5. The Flintstones 6. Ren And Stimpy 7. Duckman 8. Bob And Margaret 9. King Of The Hill 10. Wait Till Your Father Gets Home I haven't seen The Cleveland Show. Is it up to the same quality as FG? | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.176.15.88 |
I think when it's at its peak, Futurama is brilliant (although I'm not so enamoured of the new episodes) but there were a few so-so episodes. The Simpsons is my favourite animated show - I can't believe Caroline's never seen it! | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Actually, I guess I tell a slight lie (unintentionally) in saying I've never seen it. I think I did see part of it when it started on The Tracey Ullman Show. I wasn't particularly impressed, and that's probably why I never bothered to watch it again. Just maybe I'll have to try to catch some of the early series somehow, based on your recommendations here ... | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Caroline, saying you know 'The Simpsons' from seeing 'The Tracey Ullman Show' (yecch!) is like saying you know Tom & Jerry from seeing a sketch on a wall!! You've missed out on one of the funniest and cleverest shows ever devised by humankind! | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Ah, I see! That's Tracey Ullman's fault then. It improved after that, did it? | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 92.232.184.206 |
I introduced the kids to the original Planet of the Apes film today, and they were as terrified as I was the first time I saw it... There's not a lot to it, though - 30 minutes or so of wandering around the desert, a short spell in a cage, and then a wander off to the coast for the big shock ending that's only a surprise to Taylor because, for some reason, he hasn't noticed that all the apes speak English... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Wow, what a superficial review. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 92.232.184.206 |
Oh, thematically it's interesting, and as an animal rights film it's ahead of its time, but plotwise it's very thin, and not a lot of it makes any sense. In one bit I think they were talking about fossils from a couple of thousand years ago? Why doesn't Taylor just point to the notebook instead of grabbing for it? Why does he run around the village like a loon after escaping instead of sneaking off? And the implication seems to be that the apes evolved to this state in a couple of thousand years as a result of radiation from a war... But, yeah, the apes writing and speaking English is the daftest bit. It's a good movie, but it's very bad science fiction. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.24.131 |
At least it didn't have any grammatical errors. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Stephen - agreed on all those points, but dismantling films in such a way can be applied to a million other classic movies. Sometimes, just sometimes, it's about the story of suspending one's disbelief. (: Nobody has ever said that Planet of the Apes was film in tribute of hard science. It's a story for the campfire, the best kind of stories in my humble opinion. (: | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
"I'm a seeker too. But my dreams aren't like yours. I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man. Has to be." I want that on my headstone. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Shit, what was that. The bells are ringing, and it's not a hunchback swinging through a riot plagued Paris, that's doing it either. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 92.232.184.206 |
It's not really hard science, just your basic narrative logic - though you could also ask what's making the tides go in and out if there's no moon? Why do the apes think flight is so shocking - are there no birds or bees any more? And if there aren't, what's pollinating all those plants? But you're right that none of that stops it being a classic film, and it is - I pretty much agree with everything in Gary's essay in Cinema Futura - apart from the bit where he says it's flawless..! It was just striking, watching it today, that not much really happens - Taylor isn't the kind of hero who tries to put things right. He shows no interest in helping the surviving humans or changing the upside down society in which he finds himself - like a proto-Snake Plissken he just wants to ride off into the sunset. He's not changed by his experiences - they just confirm how he felt about everything to begin with. All that's really changed is that he now has a girlfriend who suits him, one who, unlike all the other women he used to sleep with, won't talk back. I'm not saying the lack of any real change is bad - it's just unusual. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.197 |
No American Dad in your list Stevie? After a slightly shaky first couple of episodes it's possibly the best thing that Seth wotsit has done so far - It has episodes that are funnier than anything Family guy has managed so far. I stopped watching Cleveland show about 2/3s into the first season... It wasn't gelling with me. Another cartoon series to watch out for is Archer... series 2 is coming to 5* pretty soon. I love it. One of the best secret agent spoofs gooing. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Sometimes, Stephen, we need a film with a central character who doesn't correspond with they way we would like them to, or even how the narrative should have them respond. I gravitate to characters of that ilk, like the aforementioned Snake Plisken, simply because it's more within the realm of this film's realism, and our own, that nobody really goes riding off into the sunset; the world righted, put back on its axis of comfortable familiarity, it doesn't happen, though from a Hollywood perspective, that's how it generally transpires. No, sometimes it's okay to just sod off into the wilderness, urban or jungle, with a woman at your side, and say, "bugger the lot, ain't much I can do about it now." Which is why when SP uncoils the tape at the end of that great movie and walks off smoking his cigarette, the fate of the world hanging literally between his fingers, I think, yes, more of that, please. And who's to say nobody's changed? Different increments of change, not necessarily the change you hope for, but there's change there. Even Plisken is changed momentarily, before resorting to type when he sees he's wasted his time and all those lives for a President who doesn't care, and never had. And Planet of the Apes, in a nuclear ravaged landscape, I also think I'd care less about trying to change things, and disappear with my girlfriend, too. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
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| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I can't argue with the science though. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.4.19.77 |
You're right, Weber, I forgot 'American Dad', not having seen it in a while. Brilliant show that should have went in at No. 4 - sadly knocking WTYFGH off the list. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 92.232.184.206 |
Yes, Frank, I agree with that - like I said, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is notable. Although he's an astronaut, he's really a biker hero, someone who has dropped out of a society he despises and gone on a 700 (I think it was) year road trip. But I think his reaction to the Statue of Liberty suggests that despite his cynicism about humans, he really had hoped on some level that they would find a way to work it out. | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 92.232.184.206 |
Whereas I think Snake Plissken, seeing the Statue of Liberty like that, would just have laughed! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
But I think his reaction to the Statue of Liberty suggests that despite his cynicism about humans, he really had hoped on some level that they would find a way to work it out. Stephen, that point is made forcible early in the film: "I'm a seeker too. But my dreams aren't like yours. I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe there has to be something better than man. Has to be." | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Forcibly. I wish we had a fucking edit function. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Stephen - couldn't agree more about Plisken laughing at seeing the remains of the Statue of Liberty. He might have struck a match off it light his cigarette, just reaffirm his weariness with everything. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.116 |
I just used to be so glad when an Apes film came out I wasn't bothered how good or bad it was - it was just nice to see the apes again. I saw Escape first and had no idea there'd been others - saw it at the Odeon, Newcastle. And yet, even though I loved them I never saw Battle in full at the time - it felt like a tv movie. That said I now think it has a nice atmosphere to it. (sorry for blandness - so tired and hot I feel sort of drunk) When I realised Taylor should have realised they were on Earth because of the language it blew the film for me. It's such a glaring error of judgement it's almost unforgivable. It's the child in me thinks it's a classic. |