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David_lees (David_lees) Username: David_lees
Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 92.22.34.16
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2012 - 11:02 pm: | |
Got this link from a photography site but it affects everyone working in a creative field who has work posted on the internet: "Photographers, illustrators and authors will be amongst those to lose their digital rights under radical new proposals published by the Government today. New legislation is proposed that would effectively introduce a compulsory purchase order, but without compensation, across an unlimited range of creative works, for commercial use." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/02/govt_copyright_white_paper/ |
Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.109.120
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2012 - 11:45 pm: | |
If this is an accurate summary, it's an astonishing, though in retrospect inevitable, inversion of justice. |
Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.109.120
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2012 - 11:48 pm: | |
I mean inevitable in the sense that money (which has surely attained its own sentience at this stage) has been trying to reduce artists to "content providers" for quite a while now. |
Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b
Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 213.106.77.123
| Posted on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 07:09 am: | |
It's really hard not to use the term 'evil' with regards to this Government. Anything that's worthwhile, fair, compassionate or humane, they actively seek to destroy. Bevan had their number seventy years ago, and it hasn't changed- they really are lower than vermin. Fucking Tory cockroaches. |
Christopher Overend (Chris_overend)
Username: Chris_overend
Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 217.33.165.66
| Posted on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 01:10 pm: | |
@Simon: Not wishing to get into an overly political debate on this, but I feel the other way. As far as old-school socialist policy is concerned, I find the financial rape of the successful in society —and the giving of those monies to the feckless— strips the winds of creativity and diligence from the sails of the industrious, rather than being compassionate. It's a different situation in a poor country, but here, no one really wants for anything in the sense that the poor of developing nations do. My two cents. |
Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.26.210
| Posted on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 01:27 pm: | |
Not sure how that applies to the white paper and the ECL, Chris. |
Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.26.210
| Posted on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 01:40 pm: | |
I would also reflect that we've had some voices from the left arguing on here that copyright theft isn't really robbery. |
Christopher Overend (Chris_overend)
Username: Chris_overend
Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 217.33.165.66
| Posted on Friday, July 06, 2012 - 03:27 pm: | |
@Ramsey: It applies to the ECL & white paper as much as what Nye Bevan said nearly three-quarters of a century ago about politicians long since dead, has any relation to an industry that then had not yet been invented. But a good point, and my apologies: it just gets me a little hot under the collar. I appreciate there are left and right elements to politics, but in Britain, the Conservative and Labour stances are so close together that to call all Tories 'fucking cockroaches', tars the more centrally positioned Labour supporters with the same brush. I'm paraphrasing, but I don't think the Conservative Party 'actively seeks out all that's humane and compassionate, intent on their destruction', any more than New Labour do, and to say so is impetuous and hateful. This policy would have been proposed by any incumbent government, as it benefits whoever is at the helm. That's not to say I support it; I find it reprehensible. Besides, historically they're both guilty of it. Fire up the Quattro... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/100004884/labour-and-conse rvative-parties-accused-of-copyright-infringement/ |
Joel (Joel) Username: Joel
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45
| Posted on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 07:03 pm: | |
Christopher, I'm not sure what you mean by 'success' and 'feckless'. Let's take a few examples: Success – the spivs and speculators of the finance sector who caused the world economy to crash in 2008 through twenty years of unregulated gambling with money that millions of people had earned through honest work. These criminals get rewarded with million-pound bonuses. Success – the sweatshop exploiters who shut down factories because the minimum wage is not 'competitive' and shift their operation to countries where people work 18-hour shifts on starvation wages and there are none of those pesky unions or health and safety busybodies. These vicious swine get rewarded by having their tax evasion overlooked by the Government, which points the finger at a stupid TV comedian while ignoring over £40 billion a year (that's the official Inland Revenue figure) stolen from us by rich corporate businessmen who pay no taxes. Feckless – the nurses whose skilled work was once considered of value to our society, but thousands of whom have recently been made redundant, with thousands more set to lose their jobs this year. They are chasing jobs in a climate where there are literally a thousand unemployed people for every vacancy. And they no longer qualify for housing benefit unless they are in tenements or hostels, so their homes are forfeit. Feckless – the disabled people who have lost their entitlement to Disabled Living Allowance following an assessment by Atos, the company hired by the Government to take as many people as possible off DLA. With no medical qualifications and no interest in conducting medical examinations, Atos 'assesses' people by asking them questions without even looking at them, then writes to their doctors saying 'This person is fit for work so you may not sign them off any more.' Among those passed as fit for work was a man with terminal cancer (who died four days later) and a man who had lost a leg in a workplace accident and who used his DLA to hire a specially adapted vehicle, which he used to DRIVE TO WORK. People with severe disabilities stand little chance of getting a job in the current climate and the Government knows it. It doesn't want to bring disabled people into the world of work. It wants to humilate, stigmatise and endanger them, in order to create a climate of fear that drives down wages and destroys unions. Nye Bevan said: "The Tories don't talk much about class war. They're too busy practising it." |
Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.126.13
| Posted on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 09:48 pm: | |
Yes. |
Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.61.103
| Posted on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 10:03 pm: | |
Well said. |
Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.126.13
| Posted on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 11:22 pm: | |
Thanks. |
Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert
Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.61.103
| Posted on Monday, July 09, 2012 - 11:30 pm: | |
You're welcome. |
Christopher Overend (Chris_overend)
Username: Chris_overend
Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 217.33.165.66
| Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 03:25 pm: | |
@Joel: The phrase 'Straw Man' comes to mind... When I use the word 'feckless' I am obviously not referring to unemployed nurses or the disabled, but I'm sure you know that. And the government wants to 'humiliate, stigmatise and endanger' the disabled? I know they're Tories, but Jesus. And by what yardstick do we judge success? We only have the one we live by in the West, that of a capitalist society, where money rules; that is the country we live in, right or wrong. To legally make millions out of morally ambiguous money dealings and to walk away fanning yourself with £50 notes and a Cohiba in your teeth, surely must be the very definition of success. I personally find it repulsive, but it isn't illegal. And to think it all happened under the watchful eye of the only socialist party we have had in recent memory. |