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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 81.158.252.15
Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 04:42 pm:   

I saw a beheading of a tied-up woman on the net this week and have felt miserable ever since. I saw it because my youngest and his friends told me it had cropped up as news on Facebook and I needed/wanted to see if it was fake (it wasn't). I read an article, too, that said news was bad for us, that it actually makes us ill if we follow it too much or it's too traumatic. I feel inclined to agree.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 04:51 pm:   

Curiosity kills the cat with me, too, Tony. Feeling the photos coming out of the Boston bombing were all being edited for my consumption, I went hunting for "better" ones... and found some I wish I hadn't after all. There was a recent youtube video of a stunt-guy who died while trying to cross a vast canyon on a zip line—he didn't die like you might think, letting go and plunging to his death: his hair got caught in the wheels of this thing he was using, and he was stuck midair trying to disentangle it unsuccessfully, as hundreds of people all around him watched... until he finally had a heart-attack, and was left dangling there ignominiously, like a hanged man. The comments below it seemed all to be so scathing, saying, stupid people deserve what they get, people who take crazy risks deserve what they get... but to me, the whole thing was chilling and disturbing. I wish I had just not clicked on it at all. Why not live in a fantasy world of ignorance? How is it better to see the horrors of the world in vivid color?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 03, 2013 - 11:45 pm:   

It isn't. And one shouldn't go looking for them. I'm a great believer in Karma.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 12:35 am:   

Thing is, when you hear about it, something deep inside tells you to. It's close to why we watch horror.
I did check out the beheading to convince my son it might have been a film, special effects. I wish it had been.
Craig, that sounds awful.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 12:38 am:   

And Craig, yes, it was the jokes and cruel remarks ('At least she wasn't good looking' etc) that upset me as much as the video, as well as the fact facebook deemed it fine to put up on 'news' feed - i.e. where anyone could see it. Irony is, you can't post pictures of breastfeeding there. Go figure.
For me, Facebook have involved themselves in that crime and gained financially from it.
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Mbfg (Mbfg)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:23 am:   

What is it that is in us that makes us want to peep from behind our hands at the truly frightening and terrible?

Is it what Poe described as the imp of the perverse, or maytbe Lemmy had it right...

"Something in us wants to see oursleves laid low,
Why does everybody want to go
To the murder show?"

Cheers
Terry
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 86.134.105.231
Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 02:50 am:   

It's the same part of us that picks at scabs even though we know we shouldn't.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:06 pm:   

Personally, I have no inclination to seek out videos of such atrocities online or elsewhere, thank goodness. I've witnessed some awful things firsthand over the years - I've no desire to see any more. Knowing that they happen is horrific and depressing enough.

I know that some people do have the urge to look at such things. I can understand that, having Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder myself (inherited along with Tourette Syndrome, unfortunately) but my obsessions/compulsions manifest in other ways. (I'm not saying or assuming you suffer from this, Tony - just that some who are compelled to watch such things probably do).
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:48 pm:   

I'm with you on this, Huw. I really can't understand the mindset that feels compelled to seek out and view these videos of real life horrors. But then I even have a hard time watching operations on the telly and once had to bury my head in my hands, to avoid passing out, when watching a graphic video of a woman giving birth in Biology class in school. Yet, when faced with real bloody accidents or emergencies in my own life, as has happened on a few occasions (a car crash I was involved in springs most vividly to mind), I'm actually quite good at remaining focused and doing what has to be done, my concern for those injured blanking out my horror... until the shock sets in much later. Human beings are a weird bunch, aren't we?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:58 pm:   

I find watching the goriest horror films imaginable strangely cathartic and often downright funny because I know it is all faked and no one is actually being harmed. Yet I know people who have no problem watching footage of open heart surgery (yech!) yet are repulsed and traumatised at something like 'Friday The 13th' - and think I'm warped for getting a kick out of it.

When I see a dog or cat run over in the street and killed in front of me it haunts and upsets me for days after - and I am never totally free of the image - so I'm not about to go out of my way to watch people or animals killed or tortured for real on a computer screen. The very thought freezes my blood and makes me worry about those who do...
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:25 pm:   

Stephen King calls this the 'shape under the sheet syndrome'. We all know what's under the sheet after a serious accident, and yet we still want to have a peek.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:47 pm:   

There must be something wrong with me, Hubert, because I don't.

I always have great empathy with those characters in films who hold the loved one back from rushing in to see the bloody unspeakable mess that is all there is left of their partner/child/parent/etc. If they continued to struggle and protest I'd have no compunction about knocking them out for their own good. Better to remember them and the universe as they were...
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:56 pm:   

I think empathy is the key here. Not for the victim, who is beyond caring, but for the loved ones of that individual and how I would feel if the slaughter of someone close to me was providing perverse tittilation for immature ghouls. I feel quite strongly about this issue.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 08:10 pm:   

I feel the same way, Stevie. I think empathy is extremely important, and sometimes I sense that there are those who not only fail to empathize with the victims and their loved ones, but, inexplicably (to me), show empathy to those who deserve it the least.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 08:55 pm:   

So if you had the chance to live/experience/see something straight out of your obviously favourite literary genre for real, you would forego the pleasure?
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 09:04 pm:   

traumatised at something like 'Friday The 13th'

I refer to a scene out of one of my favourite slasher films, Bloody Bird. The heroine is trapped with the masked killer who sits strangely still. He's just killed a few people with an axe that's still dripping blood, yet all that's not nearly as frightening as the close up that follows of the bird face and the intensely lively eyes of the maniac which show he's very aware of the heroin's presence.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 10:29 pm:   

Best. Typo. Ever.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 10:35 pm:   

Is an accident or a murder victim "straight out" of the horror genre? I've never been keen on gore and entrails, whether in print or on screen. I'm not sure I'd be entirely happy with a scene from Blackwood or Machen unfolding around me, but I wouldn't mind finding out.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 10:36 pm:   

Hubert, yes, I would love to see a ghost, or a shoggoth, or a dragon (my favourite genres being fantasy and horror, particularly of the supernatural variety). I'm not interested in torture and executions, though, and certainly have no need or desire to witness the real thing. Real life violence is sickening, and I've seen enough of it, thanks.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 12:03 pm:   

Hubert, I've just realised the 'Bloody Bird' you speak of is Michele Soavi's fantastic giallo/slasher, 'Stage Fright' (1987). It's one of my favourites too and appears in my Top 10 giallos list. The owl-headed killer is one of the great images in horror cinema, imo.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 12:48 pm:   

I wouldn't mind the wanting to look at real gore, it's the cruel comments that get me. It's one thing being fascinated by images of death (I think it's a way of bracing yourself for your own) but it's another to laugh at other's pain.
I went through a small phase of visiting gore sights and it made me depressed. I still don't know why I did it. Maybe because it was there. :-(
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 01:17 pm:   

I don't think I'd like to encounter a shoggoth, Huw. And Joel, obviously I don't want to narrow horror down to spare ribs and entrails, but King's comment somehow stuck with me. It's in the preface to one of his early books, possibly Night Shift. Stevie, yes it's an outstanding image. Curiously owls aren't creatures of horror, so I wonder where Soavi got the idea.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 02:46 pm:   

I remember looking up close into the eyes of a giant eagle owl in a zoo once and the withering intensity of its stare chilled me to the bone, Hubert. I've always found them quite creepy animals. Barn owls seen flying at night are particularly ghostly.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:45 pm:   

Oh, owls are ok. It's birds like cuckoos and crows and magpies, birds that eat the young of other birds that make me sad. This week I saw our lovely, silly local lapwing trying to fight off two crows that were trying to raid it's nest. It was such a painful sight. Stephen Fry once said that any of the worst in nature is more beautiful than anything made or done by man but is quite wrong. All of existence is painful.
The gore sights - yes, to see them and come away, one sees their own life as peaceful for a while.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 03:51 pm:   

Forget owls—it's bears on bikes you gotta watch out for....

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/VIDEO-Bear-on-bike-eats-monkey-after -circus-race.html

(a warning to the curious about the link above, btw)
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 04:04 pm:   

The magpie is my favourite bird, Tony, and, so I've been told, my spirit animal. They are fascinatingly intelligent creatures prone to bizarrely eccentric behaviour. Have you ever seen a group of them working in co-operation to annoy the hell out of a cat? They each take it in turn to draw the cat's attention while the others dart in and give it a good peck or pull on the tail before flying off and starting the torment all over again. I've seen them drive cats mental with that game and they are clearly doing it out of a daredevil sense of mischievous fun.

Another beautiful and rather hilarious sight is to watch a pair of adult magpies teaching a fledgling, just out of the nest, how to fly. One will run along beside it flapping its wings and cawing, taking gradually bigger flying hops, while the other runs along behind pecking it in the tail. The poor nipper has no option but to run and jump and flap until, hey presto... I haven't seen any other bird do this.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 05:20 pm:   

I just randomly found a photo of a sinister owl and a worried-looking dog posing for a photo. I believe it may be a "proof of life" image from a group of dogknapping owl villains.

http://cierratuatha.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/article-1193081-05566757000005dc -838_634x469_popup.jpg
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 06:28 pm:   

I had a pet magpie (I found it injured) when I was a young teenager, Stevie. His name was Pica (from the Latin). We've kept several owls, too, as well as eagles, hawks and falcons (my brother used to be a keen falconer). Eagle owls are magnificent creatures.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 07:04 pm:   

I really envy you that, Huw. The only birds I've ever owned were a pair of Zebra finches. Noisy wee buggers!
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 10:32 pm:   

Tony, my youngest son, who is 16, out of the blue last week said that 'those facebook videos with people getting their heads cut off by chainsaw were mad'. I didn't believe him. I was convinced no serious western media/IT company the size of Facebook with the reach and influence it has would allow such a thing. Until i discovered the next day it was all over the news. I was shocked. I could only advise my son, who had been obviously very affected by this, not to view these videos. Telling him I understood his teenage curiosity and peer pressure but he would only have nightmares, sleepless nights and flashbacks, etc. I explained this was a real person being murdered in the most atrocious way and not to watch any more. A part of me wanted to watch it to see what my son had unwittingly exposed himself to. To protect him from it. I needed to know what he had seen to understand how he felt but i couldn't. Does this make me a weak father? Unable to face the evil that my son had so that i could be better equipped to protect him?

I found Facebook's defending of the presence of these horrific snuff videos even more incredible. Knowing,as they do, that teens are probably their biggest user group. The cynic in me is convinced this was some grotesque social experiment. My 11 year old daughter begged me 2 weeks ago to let her create a Facebook account. Can you imagine? I said no of course. But for every responsible parent who says no there are more who say yes and turn a blind eye. As i have said many times before we are willingly handing over control of our lives, our personal information and our children's very souls to these unelected, technocrats. The Videodrome exists. It has many funky new names. You just have to look for it. And the young are naturally VERY curious.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 11:26 pm:   

Well said, Sean. We come from a different milieu when obviously faked gore was exciting but safe, because no one was really being harmed and we had the wit to realise that, but nowadays I really fear for the messages children are receiving from all quarters of the cyber revolution - without any guidance. Is this evolution or devolution of the species? I know where I stand and can only thank God I don't have children of my own to worry about. Two cats, one expecting, are enough responsibility for me to cope with!
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 01:03 am:   

Dream - I did seek out the videos in order to be able to feel part of my son's upset, be able to talk about it. Today I tapped - out of curiosity, to see how easy it was - the word gore. Straightaway were the worst things you could ever want to see. Murders being carried out, the dead of columbine. The net's disgusting. It isn't a jolly community at all. And we really must wonder whether it really is worth having.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 01:06 am:   

Sean, not 'Dream'! Bloody spellchecker.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 09:08 am:   

Tony, it's only marketing rhetoric that the internet is a 'community' – the less meaning that word has, the more it gets overused. A metaphor I find vaguely useful is that it's a bit like a train station at night. Some people are passing through for a good reason, some are there to buy or sell sex or drugs, some have nowhere else to go, some are friendly, some are dangerous, some are quietly going mad, some just need more sleep or a fix or a quiet wank and they'll manage. The claims made for the internet are ridiculous, but that's marketing for you.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 12:13 pm:   

I like that metaphor, Joel. I see the internet as one of the most truly miraculous inventions of modern times. Up there with the camera or the aeroplane, imo. It is a powerful tool and like all such things can be used for good or evil. One doesn't blame the subway tunnel after a mugging. People are sick and stupid - not the internet.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 12:53 pm:   

I think the internet is very much worth having, but it does bring all the implications and results of an apparently uncensorable medium, which in many ways is a considerable boon.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 01:40 pm:   

Yes, but it's the impossible regulation of it. It's like having cowshit in your milk.
Also, I don't like the way my mind works with the net. Consciously I always have one foot here, all day long, like I'm using the car to cross the garden instead of putting it away in the garage. Thing is, I know it's not just me - a lot of people are facing up to the fact it's an addiction. It's a completely PKDian nightmare.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 03:47 pm:   

Tony, just stop looking at the stuff. Surely you can't be that lacking in will power? I wouldn't dream of wanting to see Columbine victims or any other real life murder victims laid out in front of me on my computer screen. The same goes for video footage of cruelty to animals. It's sick and damaging to the psyche of the observer. It is in no way cool! I can't even bring myself to watch 'The Animals Film' (1981) even though it contains the music of Robert Wyatt & Talking Heads ffs! I can imagine the horrors within and that's quite enough for me, thank you very much! And there is one famous video nasty I would never allow to besmirch my collection, 'Faces Of Death' (1978), or any of its sequels. The rot set in there and those films are an insult to the horror genre, imho.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 04:03 pm:   

Pornography is an issue too, of course. When I was a teen we had to go traipsing through the woods looking for campfires and discarded cider bottles in the hope that there'd been a rain-soaked copy of Razzle lying nearby in order to see naked women. Nowadays kids can find and pass around the most depraved, degrading porn imaginable with ease.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 04:22 pm:   

I remember those days too, David, and can still visualise some of the luscious beauties I first laid eyes on naked. One stunning blonde stood outdoors starkers on a rock formation with what looked like jungle behind her still haunts my dreams. It was the first time I'd ever seen blonde pubic hair against beautifully tanned skin and my heart just melted. There's a great Chester Brown comic story about this very phenomenon, that all young boys should go through as a rite of passage, imo.

I have no problem with hard core porn as long as it is between consenting adults and no one is being harmed. It's when online porn starts to segue into online real life violence that I hit my own personal acceptability barrier. I also have no time for farmyard or toiletry excretion porn. All to their own but that just makes me gag. Lovebites where they don't show, a nice slap on the ass or a gentle tug of the hair from behind is all the spice I need in my sex life.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:02 pm:   

This is turning into that scene from Anger Managment! I've only looked once or twice this week for the first time in about 8 years! I was only commenting on how easy it was after having checked. That sounds lame, but really, I was - it showed me that gore/images of murder (being, it looks to me, carried out) are even easier to find than they once were.
Porn bothers me only because I get bothered thinking how people behave behind closed doors. Recently i was cycling through some wasteland and found some photos blowing about. A couple were of a wedding, and i picked them up and kept them thinking how sad it was they had been abandoned/lost. The next picture was of the bride, starkers with legs agape on a sofa (there were more, of a different, topless woman in a bedroom). It shocked me almost as much as the gore, not because it was as bad, but because it showed people's secret sides.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:03 pm:   

But yes, porn did frighten me as an only kid. Nudity still bothers me now.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:15 pm:   

The things I did as a kid - I wouldn't want to expound on them here. Let's just say little boys can be very cruel. But I never did anything the others didn't do, haha.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:18 pm:   

We did very saucy things, us boys. We had a teen paedo in our midst, too. Ugh.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:23 pm:   

Consenting sex is healthy and great fun. Violence is not. End of story.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 05:26 pm:   

The secret sides of people's lives don't shock me at all, on the contrary I find them endlessly fascinating. The lengths people go to to hide they're screwing around with married women, for example. Incredible.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 06:24 pm:   

I'm feeling vaguely harangued.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 06:29 pm:   

Not harangued, Tony. You have to be open to debate. It is my opinion that one should never knowingly invite evil into one's life. It will attack us at times no matter what we do and certainly doesn't need a helping hand. Violence is always an evil to be avoided. The only time it is remotely defensible is as a very last resort in order to protect oneself, one's loved ones or the innocent. It's a simple philosophy but a sound one.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 07:01 pm:   

I'm just trying to find the bit where I promoted violence. :-(
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 08:16 pm:   

I like 'Dream' better Tony. In fact it sums up my entire philosophy on life and all of experience. How apt. You have the spellchecker of the Gods.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted From: 86.24.62.55
Posted on Friday, May 10, 2013 - 08:41 pm:   

By looking up real life violence when you had no reason to allow it into your life or your psyche, Tony. Why not look up cute photos of kittens instead? I know that's what I'd rather look at and I have a few on the way any day now. Molly is pregnant and ready to pop!
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 178.118.77.133
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 03:35 pm:   

Real life violence is everywhere. I dearly love my cat, but once I caught her playing with a big frog which was bleeding profusely from all sides. You know how cats are - she was toying with her catch, slowly but surely hammering it to death. What does one do in a situation like that?
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 94.116.205.8
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 03:49 pm:   

Many's the mouse I've rescued from the jaws of death, Hubert. Or had to mercifully put down if the damage was too extreme. These things are sent to try us but we have no need to invite them in. Life is a balancing act in which we are judged by our actions.
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 178.118.77.133
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 05:46 pm:   

I once owned a Goliath birdeater, which is the biggest spider on earth. Intimidating creatures, even if one doesn't dislike spiders. I was told I should feed it a live mouse every now and then instead of its regular fare, African grasshoppers. I couldn't bring myself to do it and started feeding the mouse drops of milk!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.134.106.37
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 05:57 pm:   

More than once I've killed the mouse my cat brings into the house just to stop the noise of the bloody chase. Then I throw the dead mouse and the cat out othe back door.
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 178.118.77.133
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 06:33 pm:   

My cat used to bring mice or birds back to me, probably as a token of her esteem. She would leave the small corpses on the carpet next to my bed and then wait expectantly for me to discover them.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.134.106.37
Posted on Saturday, May 11, 2013 - 07:17 pm:   

One day my cat managed to throw a dead mouse into the plate of food I was sitting eating. Rolled on his back and batted it in the air and it flew striaght into my dinner... I wasn't best pleased...
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 178.116.53.152
Posted on Sunday, May 12, 2013 - 10:24 am:   

It probably wasn't an accident either. With cats one never knows.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 109.155.222.136
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2015 - 05:08 pm:   

God these talks got fraught.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.180.200.78
Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - 01:20 pm:   

It felt like not a lot of understanding was going on.

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