| Author | Message | ||
     Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
I've just bought and am reading this for the first time. It's very good, isn't it? It's doing that thing that all good art does, of convincing me it's part of my life, it's presence infringing on my own. Dr Manhattan is such a stupid, strange, amazing figure. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
It is superb and one of the best Graphic Novels ever. Moore at his height with Dave Gibbons at his best. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Only graphic novel I've ever read & I thought it was excellent | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I ordered this only a few days ago. have you seen the trailer for the film? It's amazing... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
I hope it does it justice. It's very mature, heartfelt stuff. Jon - there are some lovely ones out there. Read Blankets, Exit Wounds, It's a Good Life if you Don't Weaken. No superheroes, just atmospheric, imaginative drama the likes of which you get nowhere else. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
John, I meant. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
Some of my favourites: Black Hole - Charles Burns David Boring - Daniel Clowes Ghost World - Daniel Clowes League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Moore and O'Neill Cerebus - David Sim Bone - Jeff Smith Preacher - Ennis and Dillon Sandman - Gaiman and various Alice in Sunderland - Bryan Talbot From Hell - Moore and Campbell Nemesis the Warlock - Pat Mills and various | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
I haven't deliberately not read any more graphic novels, it's just that there are only so many hours in the day in which to consume stuff. Comicwise I'm currently reading something called 'House of Mystery' & Boom's HP Lovecraft-inspired 'Fall of Cthulhu'/'Cthulhu Tales' etc etc series. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.198.74 |
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is my favourite by Alan Moore, although I do love the others I've read by him too. I haven't read Watchmen yet - it's in a big pile of 'to read' graphic books, most of which my comic-crazy friend in LA sent me (including Exit Wounds). I loved From Hell - the deluxe edition has a special place of honour on my shelves. Jonathan/Tony - have you read Crossing Midnight? It's the most recent comic/graphic story I've read, and it's really good so far. I'm eagerly awaiting the third volume, which should be out soon.. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
Yes, Crossing Midnight is superb. Although I gather Vertigo is cutting the series short. Wankers. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.107.217 |
WATCHMEN'S excellent. Fingers crossed for the film, although I'm expecting it to be okay rather than spectacular. Some of my fave comics: V FOR VENDETTA - Moore and David Lloyd SWAMP THING -- Moore and Steve Bisette and Rick Veitch HITMAN -- Garth Ennis and John Mcrea THE PUNISHER MAX -- Garth Ennis and various artists HELLBLAZER -- Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon (and others) SANDMAN -- Neil Gaiman and various artists KANE -- Paul Grist STARMAN -- James Robinson and Tony Harris JLA -- Grant Morrison and Howard Porter DOOM PATROL -- Grant Morrison and Richard Case DARK KNIGHT RETURNS -- Frank Miller and Klaus Janson BATMAN: YEAR ONE -- Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN -- Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli BUFFY SEASON EIGHT -- Joss Whedon and various writers and artists BOX OFFICE POISON -- Alex Robinson PLANETARY -- Warren Ellis and John Cassaday | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.179.247 |
Damn, that's a shame, Jonathan. I've been enjoying Crossing Midnight a great deal. Stu, great list - Planetary is one I liked a lot too, and of course the Sandman series. I feel like reading the series again after seeing it listed there (it's been a good few years since I read it). Anyone read Vermillion? | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.107.217 |
Huw, I've not read Vermillion. What's it about? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
My copy of Watchmen arrived today - I can't wait to read it! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Two chapters in: wonderful, rich and compelling. Why the hell didn't I buy this years ago, like everyone told me to? :-/ | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
Hey - we're reading this together! The written bits are good, too. | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 99.225.111.224 |
My favourites are chapters 5 and 6. Like most people's. But Chapter 4 ... dear Lord, chapter four ... that writing's a thing of beauty. | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 99.225.111.224 |
"Watchmen", for all the reasons it's great, is great because each time you read it, you find something more in it. I spent an afternoon once going through the book and looking for all the repeating motifs I could find. The shape of the blood on the smiley button, for instance, repeats throughout the book. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Not to be a party pooper but I think the Zack Snyder adaptation will go down like a lead balloon. Yes, the trailer does indeed look amazing, but I think after the Dark Knight, people won't quite 'get' what's happening with Watchmen. Also, Snyder continues to use matte techniques and bluescreening, using interior sets only, whilst Dark Knight, which has now arguably set the standard by which other comic book adaptations shall be judged for some time, doesn't. Take a look at some of the character's costumes and I'll just wager my piggy bank people won't buy into the story...it'll pass over a lot of heads. That's rather condescending, but many a film have gone over the head of Joe Public. I hope I'm wrong because Watchmen is in my opnion the most singularly defining comic book of its time. Very relevant to today's political times. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
That doesn't mean it won't be good, though. Snyder has already produced two excellent - not simply good, but excellent - genre films with the DotD remake and 300, so I have high hopes for this. Unlike 300, Watchmen isn't shot exclusively in chroma key. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.102.160 |
Zed, are you comparing WATCHMEN to 300? Outside! Now! Snyder's WATCHMEN will be pretty to look at but it's a question of whether he can nail the story. Plot threads will have to be sacrificed and it remains to be seen whether he makes the right choices. I'm hoping he DOES make a good job of it but assuming he will 'cos you liked 300 is not a safe assumption. 300 was basically using a comic as a storyboard, WATCHMEN will call for real storytelling skill in order for the adaptation to work. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Zed - as much as I loved 300 (the blood-letting little boy in me I guess), it's a questionable piece of indirect/oblique right-wing puppeteering...the kind of outrageous propaganda most people wouldn't believe possible. I know, I was one of them. It took a buddy of mine who wouldn't shut up for me to go back and keep looking at it. No wonder it drew various attacks. I mean, this happens all the time, but The Last Temptation Of Christ, it ain't. The CIA are infamous for pushing through various scripts in Hollywood in times of serious foreign political emergency. Sounds like boys own bullshit, but honestly, look at Black Hawk Down. It's hard to conceive of directors like Snyder and Scott being openly involved, which for one don't, but the sytem is a funny old beast, and stranger things have been known to happen at sea. BUT...the DOTD remake was an outstanding genre film. NOT the best, not a Polanski or an early Hooper, but still a damn fine movie. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
What are you on about? Yes, 300 was utter propoganda, but that doesn't make it a bad film. DoTD remake did exactly what it said on the tin. "The CIA are infamous for pushing through various scripts in Hollywood in times of serious foreign political emergency." Ha! That's a paranoid classic... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Zed - Actually mate, it's a well-recognized fact now. It doesn't happen to often but it has happened. I'm not saying 300 is, especially knowing now as I do Miller's political slant, but buddy, don't be so dismissive and think I'm a conspiracy nut. There a number of books on the Hollywood system in which countless producers, heads of studios, have made statements verifying such. There's even a term for it, but I can't remember what it's called. I'll have to look it up. Oh, and buddy, does it sit so well to know that you enjoyed the propaganda when you're so clearly on the opposite side? That's like saying I enjoyed John Wayne's 'The Green Berets'. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Ok. A well-recognized fact if you read the right source material or happen to be a political film historian with an exhaustive knowledge of the industry. Just because it ya ain't heard of it before, don't make it untrue now, does it. Imagine saying a week after Kennedy got shot that it was a conspiracy...most people would have laughed at you. And now? As I said before...stranger things have happened at sea. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
In light of those numerous spelling and grammatical oddities of the last two posts I'll refrain from waving the red rag. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
does it sit so well to know that you enjoyed the propaganda when you're so clearly on the opposite side? It sits just fine with me, fella. It's all fiction, whatever the political slant - even the TV news is fiction. And I'm on nobodies side but my own. Left wing? Right wing? I have no wings, but I certainly know how to fly... The Green Berets? Good film. I also enjoyed Top Gun.  | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
This seems relevant: http://www.iamhist.org/journal/eldridge.pdf | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
DAVID N. ELDRIDGE, University of Hull It's really Albie, isn't it? ;-) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Zed - right. That's it. I was with you till the Green Beret comment. Stu's not the only one who's gonna give you a whupping and a whipping. I'm gonna get you a magnum and call you Dirty Zed.  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
That's a great film, too. Didn't you know about my love of reactionary vigilante films? | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Ramsey - cheers. That's sort of the thing I was trying to tell cabbage ears. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
It's all in your hysterical delivery, mate - for some reason it comes across a bit whacked-out. :-) I know all about the gov't and CIA intervention with Hollywood/Mcarthy Witch Hunts and all that... but I still doubt very much that 300 was filmed because the CIA wanted it to be. :-) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Oh, for the love of God. Hysterical. You're taking me too seriously mate. I'm hardly ever of the serious persuasion. On the message board that is. I don't have the net at home so I use the one in work and have to type like fury without any sense of anything but my own blithering babble. And I'm not talking about Mcarthy. And I'm not talking about 300 being what the CIA wanted. Listen, how about a beer or a pair of boxing gloves? You're choice big fella. | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 38.113.181.169 |
does it sit so well to know that you enjoyed the propaganda when you're so clearly on the opposite side? I"d just like to suggest that not exposing one's self to contrary opinions and outlooks is extremely limiting and can lead to the kind of ignorance that is ultimately quite damaging. (I'm sure I needn't provide examples, as the international stage is full of examples right now.) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Fucking hell. Alright, Simon. I was only playfully baiting Zeddy. And yes, I would never dream of telling somebody NOT to watch something because of their political leanings or not. I was joking.  If you think I can't take the both of you, you're seriously mistaken. | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 38.113.181.169 |
Look, Frank, I don't get around to contributing here often, so let me have my moment in the sun without weighing me down with "facts" and "truth". Geez! And you've obviously not seen the size of my bicep. That's right. Singular. I've only worked on the one. It's pretty big, though, and I'm pretty sure it could take you. (take you out to dinner, maybe. You like wine?) | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Simon's bicep has a mind of its own. It's a like a super hero, out there fighting crime while Simon sleeps. I'm the bicep's love interest. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.104.55.244 |
Alan Moore on Snyder and the film 300: ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Don't you have the slightest curiosity about what Watchmen director Zack Snyder is doing with your work? ALAN MOORE: I would rather not know. EW: He's supposed to be a very nice guy. AM: He may very well be, but the thing is that he's also the person who made 300. I've not seen any recent comic book films, but I didn't particularly like the book 300. I had a lot of problems with it, and everything I heard or saw about the film tended to increase [those problems] rather than reduce them: [that] it was racist, it was homophobic, and above all it was sublimely stupid. I know that that's not what people going in to see a film like 300 are thinking about but...I wasn't impressed with that.... I talked to [director] Terry Gilliam in the '80s, and he asked me how I would make Watchmen into a film. I said, ''Well actually, Terry, if anybody asked me, I would have said, 'I wouldn't.''' And I think that Terry [who aborted his attempted adaptation of the book] eventually came to agree with me. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, and were indeed designed to show off things that other media can't.' | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Moore also hated the film version of V For Vendetta, which I thought was excellent. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.23.233.246 |
Just read Rorshach's origin. Sheesh. I think I now get where Moore is coming from, about not skimping and being annoyed. What a piece of writing. | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 38.113.181.169 |
Yeah, I think that piece of writing has influenced more of my work than any other. But if you here Moore talk about it, the idea was to really drive home how unlikeable Rorshach is. Little did more know the character would help kickstart years of grimy anti-heroes, rather than nip the movement in the bud. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.12 |
Zed, WATCHMEN is about a million times more complicated than 300. When you get past the first two chapters you'll realise that and hang your head in shame for ever comparing the two. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.12 |
Simon's right. About Rorshach. Everything else he's ever said is completely wrong. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I'm not comparing the two, Stu - all I'm saying is that the director has, IMHO, made two good movies so let's not write him off until we see the actual film. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.12 |
Zed, you proably missed this due to your little dance with Frank but my first reply to your comment on Synder was: "Snyder's WATCHMEN will be pretty to look at but it's a question of whether he can nail the story. Plot threads will have to be sacrificed and it remains to be seen whether he makes the right choices. I'm hoping he DOES make a good job of it but assuming he will 'cos you liked 300 is not a safe assumption. 300 was basically using a comic as a storyboard, WATCHMEN will call for real storytelling skill in order for the adaptation to work." Pay attention, 007. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I don't disagree, mate, but I think Snyder was a good choice of director. And visuals are important in this stuff: after all, it's just a comic... (Tee-hee. Sorry; couldn't resist). | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.12 |
Zed, it's that kind of thinking that led to you taking so long to get round to reading the book in the first place.  And although I hope Snyder does do a good job in the film there's nothing in either DotD (which I really enjoyed) or 300 (which I thought was so-so) to suggest he can cope with a story of WATCHMEN'S complexity. Even after the story's been pared down to a two hour (I'm guessing) movie script it's still going to be more way intricate than either of his previous outings (unless the story gets completely gutted but obviously Hollywood never makes a complete hash of the material it's adapting *cough*). The WATCHMEN film will very likely be a very different beast to the comic. It's not going to be another 300 where the comic is reproduced almost exactly on the big screen. But Snyder's past form in working on very straightforward stories may work in his favour here, he may be able to identify the spine of WATCHMEN and prune all the stuff that, although great in the comic, just won't work in a film. A diluted, semi-faithful film version could still be an enjoyable cinematic experience if taken on its own terms. On the other hand it could be a piece of shit. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Zed, it's that kind of thinking that led to you taking so long to get round to reading the book in the first place. The sad thing is, you're probably right. :-( | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.101.54 |
I usually am. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
:-) | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Getting back to that bicep... | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
However, I think you'll find the film of V FOR VENDETTA is juvenile and hollow. It's filled with the kind of comic-book dialogue that only Moore DOESN'T write. It's nice to see a socialist perspective in a mainstream film, but it would have been nicer had it been expressed in grown-up terms. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Joel - well said, mate. Admittedly, I felt the second half of the film was better, but film making isn't football. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.221 |
I've not seen the V FOR VENDETTA film although I hear it's probably the best Moore adaptation so far. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I thought V FOR VENDETTA was excellent - the "just an inch" speech was utterly heartbreaking. I dunno, maybe I'm just more tolerant of juvenalia in my genre entertainment. Let's not forget, a big budget Hollywood movie has to appeal to the broadest possible audience, and in those terms it was a brave film. After all, it wasn't some tiny art-house effort, but a bells-and-whistles Hollywood project. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Btw, why does Moore keep selling the film rights to his work if he hates the idea of the films being made? | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Zed - good point. He doesn't half moan. Miserable sod. I mean Moore, not you Zeddy Bear. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
My question was, of course, rhetorical. :-) | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
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| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Oh, look at that. The total amount I was paid for my last sale overseas. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.96.221 |
Moore doesn't sell the film rights. He got pissed off with all the crap adaptations and the fact that someone tried to sue him over THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. The final straw came when a false statement was issued claiming he had endorsed the V FOR VENDETTA film when he had done no such thing. He then told DC Comics to take his name off the credits for any further adaps and to give his share of the money to the artists he had collaborated with. But yeah, he's a miserable sod :-) | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
But he must've sold the film rights in the first place. Or are all rights owned by DC, or whoever publishes the comic books? | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
I think Zed's thinking about the future  But don't worry, Moore probably got the way he is because of the piss poor treatment he received. ZED, you're already miserable  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I'm not knocking the man. I'd sell my anus for a million dollars. :-) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Too many celebrities make enough money out of being an arsehole, so why not? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Imagine me if I was a rich celeb? I'd be insufferable. I'd be Mickey Rourke circa 1982, with bells on. :-) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Plastic surgery would suit you. Not everyone can get away with it, but you could. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
According to Simon you've been selling your anus for a lot less than that. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Mamma always said I had the perfect face for radio. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Mamma always said I had the perfect face for radio...even that's pushing it. No wonder you like Johnny Handsome. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.75.24 |
I really liked V for Vendetta. Some bits really got to me. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Ally- Because it's you and not Zeddy, I agree with you. This is not because I've had a change of heart, but because it's you...an  d I love you. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.216.88 |
Stu, sorry I didn't reply to you earlier. I've been in hospital again the last few days (same old stuff, mostly). I'm not sure what Vermillion is about, precisely, as I only just got a run of the series very recently, and haven't had time to sit down and read it yet. The thing that piqued my interest is that it's written by Lucius Shepard, one of my favourite writers. I'll get back to you once I've had a chance to read some of it. I'm mostly with Joel as far as V for vendetta (the film) is concerned. I thought it had some good moments but no real substance. it felt quite flimsy to me, and overbearing (a bit like the last two Matrix movies). | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
You okay, Huw? Hope so. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.103.171 |
Huw, well seeing as you were in hospital I'll let you off. But don't let it happen again. (That's my manly way of asking if you're okay.) Vermillion sounds interesting. I think the only Shepard I've read is Delta Sly Honey but I've got a copy of The Jaguar Hunter in a box somewhere. Zed, yeah, as I understand it most of Moore's comic work is owned by whichever comics company he was working for at the time. He constantly moans about the way comics companies treat their writers and the way he's been screwed over in various business deals in terms of rights etc. So when Hollywood started treating him the same way he decided, "If I'm going to react I might as well OVERreact" and demanded that his share of the money go to the artists. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Just finished reading WATCHMEN. Wow. A masterpiece in every sense, from the writing, through to the illustrations, and even down to the colouring. It's completely ruined the superhero genre for me, though. | ||
| Grant (Grant) Username: Grant Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 67.176.207.225 |
I love Watchmen. It's one of my fave graphic novels of all time. The pirate comic inside is especially amazing. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.190.64 |
I'm a bit better now, thanks guys. I had a rough few days (hence the lack of posting) after I went in for my bi-monthly checkup at the pain clinic. I had a weird dizzy spell in the doctor's office, and thought I was going to pass out. It was scary - my heartbeat was going all over the place and I couldn't breathe properly. I'm seeing the cardiologist as soon as possible - last thing I need right now is heart problems on top of all the other stuff! I'm hoping it was just an anxiety/panic attack brought on by worry, insomnia, and the chronic pain. The symptoms seem to fit... | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.190.64 |
Obviously my mind isn't working either - I meant fortnightly, not bi-monthly. :-/ | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Glad you're at least feeling a bit better, Huw. I defy you all to remain unexcited:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQ3Zgy195Y&feature=related (wish I could put a splash of blood on that smiley) | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
Just finished reading Watchmen, too. It feels like it told the future. It also feels like it happened somehow, somewhere, that Manhattan passed a story to us, came from this place where it happened. You see I thought the art was quite deceptively bland, deliberately comic-book, and it was great to see a story still feel like you were living it even thoughg the pics were that way. I still love old comics. A lot of the ones I read in the seventies gripped me this way - the whole Green Goblin saga in Spidey realy moved me for instance. They paved the way for the likes of Watchmen, touched on some of the themes. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cam2kK7J_8k&feature=related | ||
| John (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.4.67 |
As a director, Snyder's strength is in adaptation. With the Dawn of the Dead remake and 300 he's proven himself to be excellent at interpreting his source material for the screen (I'm loathe to blame him for the propagandist slant of the latter when all of those problems were there in the source material - it's generally too ridiculous to take seriously anyway). Whether he can continue that streak with something as epic and complex as Watchmen remains to be seen. Not sure how long the film is going to be, but something has got to give. One thing's for certain, it's going to look the part for sure! As for Alan Moore's approach to the film, I can see his point as every movie they've made from his work has been a total travesty. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Get well, HUW. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.78.11.104 |
It is probaly anxiety Huw. My blood pressure goes up when I go to see the doctor to have my blood pressure taken..called white something sydrome. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
Shit, Huw - didn't see your post. Sorry if I seemed insensitive. How are things now? | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.192.53 |
Thanks Tony, Ally and Frank, for the kind words. I haven't had another 'episode' for a few days now, but I've made an appointment with the cardiologist for Monday, just to get it checked out. I also have a sonar scan scheduled for Tuesday and I'm due at the Pain Clinic on Wednesday - maybe I should just rent a room there. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.95.247 |
Just seen GI Joe; you know what? If only Watchmen had the looseness of this film it might have been better. Heck, the film even had a bit more heart.  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.95.247 |
Er, just realised this thread is for the GRAPHIC NOVEL. Tony, Tony... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.240.106 |
I rather liked the film adaptation of Watchmen. It had a lot more soul than expected for a mainstream Hollywood superhero movie. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.191.64 |
The film adap is one of those awkward films where they could have made it so much worse but equally they could have made it so much better. | ||
| Tom_alaerts (Tom_alaerts) Username: Tom_alaerts Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.180.97.157 |
The movie is in general impressively faithful to the graphic novel, yet it strangely seems to lack some soul. Still one of the best superhero films ever though. |