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     Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
I was revisiting some old albums at home while I did the spring cleaning. Alanis Morrisette's Jagged Little Pill ended up on a loop. That album may be "pop" but it's angrier music than any of my heavy rock collection. The lyrics are dripping in sarcasm for tracks like 'You oughta know' ("I'm sure she'll make a really excellent mother!") and achingly beautiful in Head over feet. It's hard to credit she was only 17 when she wrote this album. My favourite lyrics on the album are in Perfect - one of the most heartbreaking songs I know http://www.lyrics007.com/Alanis%20Morissette%20Lyrics/Perfect%20Lyrics.html In one song about a catholic upbringing she casually purrs the lyric "I confessed my darkest deeds to an envious man". How scathing can you be with just one line? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.6.128 |
(... did the Anglicans retain confession?... Or the Lutherans?... Just a curious aside....) Meh. Me, I've never been a big fan of Alanis, but she's okay. And are all those things she lists really, definitively, ironic? | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
Not all of them. But that's the ironic thing about the song... | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.6.128 |
Actually, she does ask, "Isn't it ironic, don't you think?" - she's not saying they are ironic, she's unsure... the answer could be yes or no. Wow, she's amazingly subtle and clever, that Alanis. You think she'd go to the theatre with me...?  | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
I'm assuming from that comment that you know the lyrics to You Oughtta Know... | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Yes.  | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Ewan MacColl is angry music. Jacques Brel is angry music. The Clash is angry music. Alanis Morissette is pallid narcissistic sugar for chatroom-dwelling teenagers. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
And heavy metal is the same with terminal acne and testosterone poisoning. Saying that Morrisette is angrier than heavy metal is like saying that James Herbert writes better books than Shaun Hutson: it's damning with faint praise. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.20.31.211 |
Manic Street Preachers: The Holy Bible. That's angry. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.20.31.211 |
Final movement of Liszt's Faust symphony: very angry. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.20.31.211 |
Mind you, Joel, Alanis sounds pretty angry when you've got a pissed-off woman playing it at you full blast at 3am in the morning when you're trying to sleep.  | ||
| John (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Animals by Pink Floyd - the most punk album released in 1977. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.178.51 |
Gary, I was going to say 'The Holy Bible' - brilliant album. The alternative version is really good too. Alanis Morisette is an insipid, unoriginal, phoney wannabee with nothing of substance to say. There were a whole bunch of them back in the 90s, like Jewel - bloody awful. Singers with real talent (like Siouxsie Sioux or Tony Halliday) show them up for the whiny pretenders they are. Listen to some Portshead and tell me you think Alanis "I'm so ironic" Morrisette has even a fraction of the talent and depth. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.162.125 |
Portishead are fantastic. But to be fair, Beth Gibbons is an adult. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.16.78.131 |
Whatever. Is she still the right person to take to the theatre or not, I wanna know....? (I wonder...  or  ?...) (of course, I mean does she talk or yawn off during films... of course I do....) | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.177.115.127 |
Have to say I never thought I'd hear Ewan MacColl and Jaques Brel mentioned in the same message - had to be from the keyboard of the inestimable Mr Lane, of course! The doc on Brel a while back was excellent stuff, as I'd mostly come to his work via other folks' interpretations so wasn't that aware of his performance or the sharpness of his lyrics. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.151.125.173 |
I will say..... 'Archives of pain' is so intense I actually went the other way and found it quite funny. I prefer Pet Sounds meself....And A love Supreme (courtesey of Mick Curtis). I don't dig too much hate & anger in music right know.Maybe i'm getting old. I prefer a little love. gcw | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.167.124.163 |
I don't know if Alanis is angry music. Angry in my book would include bands like: Sepultura, Black Flag, the first Korn album, Tool, Pantera, Killimg Joke, Rage against the machine, Fear Factory, Whitehouse, Aphex Twin, Nirvana, Deftones, Fudge Tunnel, Devin Townsend, Deicide, Agoraphobic Nosebleed,Sensor, Helmet, Today is the Day, Meshuggah, Sensor, Strapping Young Lad, Nine Inch nails, Wilhaven-off the top of my head- and thats flaking rage. Playing a folksy guitare and singing about gray skies, and poor drinking water, and complaining about the job situation and the missing girlfirend and fishfingers- just won't cut it as angry music in my book- sorry. But Alanis made a great debut album. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.236.228 |
Karim, you forgot the late, great G.G. Allin.  | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.167.124.163 |
You bet Craig :-) | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.231.91 |
Just got the remastered version of Coltrane's Blue Train. Heartily recommended, I actually prefer this music to Love Supreme an Giant Steps. The dreaded Coltrane Matrix makes a first appearance (the album was recorded in 1957, a couple years before Giant Steps), too. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.166.153 |
The title track is one of my favourite pieces of music. It has a haunted, lost, melancholic feel. Hubert, in what ways does the remastered version of that track differ from the familiar version? | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.166.153 |
Coltrane's 'Alabama' is angry music if anything is. Also painfully sad. I've read that he modelled it on the sound patterns of a Martin Luther King speech. We've talked about ghost stories without ghosts – some of Coltrane's compositions are ghost stories without words. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.151.125.173 |
I have A remastered version of Blue Train...jazz seems to have a zillion re-issues of many albums. They sound remarkably sharp considering how old they are. Karim, I had to smile at your list of angry music..Angry music doesn't have to played like a drill to the head! I do like some of Devin Townsends stuff though... I rather liked Ocean Machine. gcw | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.20.31.211 |
Cliff Richard's music makes me angry. | ||
| Gcw (Gcw) Username: Gcw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.151.125.173 |
 'You're No More Jesus Than I' off me new one is an peeved little number. gcw | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.231.91 |
"Hubert, in what ways does the remastered version of that track differ from the familiar version?" Honestly, I wouldn't know since I've never owned the original. Overall I'd say I've never heard jazz sound so mathematical and exhilarating at the same time. You can sense some serious thinking behind this one. With other players you can almost hear their breathing through the music, but Trane's lines are so effortlessly and endlessly consistent he almost sounds machine-like. I'm doing him a disservice by saying this, on some tracks that horn sounds red-hot. The Coltrane Matrix had me nonplussed for a while and I am only just discovering the possibilities. The theory is not that bad, actually. I could probably master the initial cycle, but as for soloing over the thing . . . phew! The only piece I'm really confident about is the balad-like Naima from Giant Steps. I had A Love Supreme on a 'regular' cd and wasn't too impressed by the sound. I may look at it again, but I still think Blue Train is his masterwork. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.167.124.163 |
Gcw: 'Karim, I had to smile at your list of angry music.Angry music doesn't have to played like a drill to the head' Of course you are right.(though sometimes, as John Doe says in Seven, you can't just tap someone on the shoulder, you hit them with a sledgehammer and then you have their full attention- but again he ended up killing lots of people) You could have Dylan standing on a box in a field and you have angry music right there. Just thought I'd mention some of those rather more explosive angry acts. Speaking of explosive acts Craige, didn't GG Allin once threaten to stick dynamite up his ass and blow himself up on stage? HA! |