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     Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15566&sid=96fb8bc294fbb0a8 5e9e830a9462b6a5 | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 81.152.74.159 |
That just makes me sad. Deeply, profoundly sad.  I can't understand why anyone would do it. Or think they could get away with it. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
It's sad, and also quite scary for anyone who edits ezines, etc. I'd just "taken over the reins" at Pantechnicon ezine when I came across another plagiarist like this. It scared me, as I could quite easily have taken that guy's stories without realising since I was a complete novice at the time. I'm much more wary of things like that nowadays though. I know, working in academia, that there's a commercially available programme which universities subscribe to in order to check students' work for plagiarism. Is there such a thing in the world of fiction (and non-fiction, come to that)? How can any editor be absolutely sure that something which is submitted to them isn't plagiarised? I reckon it's a minefield. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Oh dear. I gave this person an interview some time ago, which I suppose helped legitimise his reputation. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
That's the end of your career then, Ramsey  | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.253.47 |
Probably not the best time or thread to drop my "Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery" or [writer speaking:] "I've been inspired to plagiarize" jokes.... | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
You might want to take a look at what this man has published and claimed as his own...you just might find something you wrote. I know I shouldn't find the implications amusing, but somehow this strikes me as inexpressably funny. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Well, Hubert, unless he's desperate, he won't have nicked anything of mine... | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Now, let's be fair. On his web page (http://edgychristianfictionlovers.ning.com/profile/DavidBBoyer) he quotes himself as saying "I have found the horror genre these days to be lacking in originality." Clearly he must be aiming to change that. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
He does have an original approach, to say the least. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
It saves a lot of work though so there are some benefits. Hey, Gary F I've written a new novel you might be interested in printing. It's called The Doll who ate his Mum. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.246.169 |
He does have an original approach, to say the least. It saves a lot of work though so there are some benefits. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
It does have some benefits. It saves a lot of original approach. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.246.169 |
Yes, it have benefits. It saves original approach. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
While I'm touting my novels, I also have one called "The Home with the canted stairs" if any of you publishers are listening. | ||
| Johnny_mains (Johnny_mains) Username: Johnny_mains Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 82.22.75.99 |
I'm currently trying to sell my novel 'The Tommyknickers'  | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.170.240 |
Weber, send it along, but could we use the name Rodney Campbell as a pseudonym? | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.171.129.68 |
I read a story the other year that Robert Heinlein had written 50 years earlier but I doubt the (semi-famous mainstream) author of the version I read knew about it. It had the same progression, same everything, apart from the words. PD James annoyed Brian Aldiss for reproducing one of his novels when she wrote Children of Men but he then stopped complaining when he realised one of his own stories had been written before he wrote it. My next book, about a secret code relating to folk from the bible, hidden in the work of a famous dead artist, will be totally original, I'm sure. But if anyone wants to copy it, feel free! ;-) | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
Can I call it The Rembrandt Matrix? | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.171.129.73 |
You can call it anything you like! But ideally your pen name will be made up of two flat, dull syllables. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.170.240 |
Dick Ed. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.171.129.68 |
Ha! :-) | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
Luke Warm. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I'm used to a kind of plagiarism which involves coming up with an idea that is completely new and using it in a story that mostly gets ignored; then seeing the same idea in diluted form being used a few years later by another author who gets acclaimed for it. This has happened so often that it can't be a deliberate phenomenon but one based on some unknown law of the universe probably related to "morphogenic resonance". | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Tell us more, Rhys! Me, I've often told the anecdote about my inadvertently reproducing, scene for scene, a Henry Kuttner tale I'd never read. | ||
| Giancarlo (Giancarlo) Username: Giancarlo Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 85.116.228.5 |
Sometimes it could be "cryptomnesia", unconscious memories popping up to mind as original ideas. Just a hyphotesis. But what would the reason be for them memories to be apparently lost? And why retrieve them as "new"? I wouldn't want the ghost of Freud flitting over this thread... | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Ramsey: to my knowledge nobody has ever plagiarised anything I've written, deliberately or accidentally. Maybe I ought to be worried about that! Why haven't I been ripped off yet? Is that a bad sign, etc? Nor has anyone lifted ideas wholsesale, but I do notice variations (usually simplified) of what I thought were my own totally original ideas. Maybe those ideas aren't as original as I believed and someone else already had them and I'm simply ignorant of the fact. However, I don't subscribe to the oft-repeated mantra that there are no new ideas, no new plots, no new situations; and that all the best writers can do is recycle the already existing archetypes. That attitude has often seemed a bit lazy to me and is a convenient excuse for not trying very hard to push the envelope. Until recently I would have said that I've never managed to accidentally replicate a story that I've never read (as you did with Kuttner)... But the other day I sat down with a copy of the Penguin Russian Short Stories: from Pushkin to Buida anthology and read a story by Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky called 'Quadraturin' which is almost identical to a story I outlined a few years ago but never got round to writing. Krzhizhanvsky's tale was written in 1926 (but wasn't published until 1989) and is so good there's no point writing my own story now. I don't know whether I should gnash my teeth or heave a sigh of relief! | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.235.236 |
"morphogenic resonance" Morphic resonance? Rupert Sheldrake's (naturally unproven) theory that the mind is not confined to the brain but can rove about and mingle with other minds. It's appealing, but not within shouting distance of being science yet. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Oops. I got it wrong. Yes, it's 'morphic', not 'morphogenic'. Thanks for the correction. True, it's totally unproven. But I guess that once it's "within shouting distance of being science" for one person, it'll be within the same distance for everyone? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.235.236 |
I think anyone with a name like that is obliged to propose a whacky hypothesis (NOT a theory, which is an established and internally-consistent model). I like him, and the hypothesis. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
I have a theory about why people keep getting the words "hypothesis" and "theory" mixed up. Oh wait, no I don't! It's only a hypothesis! | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.235.236 |
"Evolution is only a theory" a phrase guaranteed to make a muscle twitch in my cheek. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.170.240 |
Isn't the mistake we often make to assume that ideas are inventions of human minds made in isolation from the lived world, whereas in fact they are elucidations of the lived world - a 'clotting' of experience, codified in language or whatever. Following this definition of ideas, it's hardly surprising that many people, subject to the same existential parameters of lived experience, can and do produce similar ideas, etc. It's the world and our embeddedness in it that speaks up here, and not a single creative individual divorced from that about which s/he writes, paints, etc. That is the Cartesian error - wot Heidegger was trying to jerk us out of. Then again, I am a master of twaddle (c/o Albie, 2007). | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.134.85 |
Possibly. But a lot of Jungian synchronisities do seem to cluster in time and from geographically isolated positions. Sheldrake talks about sheep learning to roll over cattle bars and learning it at different sides of the world more or less simultaneously. It sounds apocryphal, though. Less like science, more like Wallace and Grommit. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.170.240 |
Well, convergent evolution just demonstrates in action what I mean. The same immutable laws shaping a behavioural profile of a species. And let's face it, thoughts and ideas are just behaviours, aren't they? Yes, Wittgenstein says so. Twaddle, twaddle. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.134.85 |
Sure, but does that explain someone publishing an idea you just had? Maybe it can be explained logically. If you have an idea that increases the chance that someone will publish something similar to the idea from 0 to something > 0. But it might be more useful to look at it from the other side of the fence. Each idea you publish will match with (and destroy) all other unpublished versions of that idea. It's bound to be a common phenomenon because the number of unpublished ideas is very much greater than the number of published ideas. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 81.152.74.159 |
My brain hurts. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.134.85 |
Imagine you're playing cards. Each suit is a general idea. There are 13 (unpublished) variations (Ace -> King) of each idea (say, hearts). If you publish that general idea (hearts) first, all the unpublished versions suddenly become useless. So for every published idea, there are maybe hundreds of unpublished versions of the idea which are rendered old hat, so there are hundreds of anecdotes about clairvoyant plagiarism. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Well, not necessarily, surely. There can be many different treatments of the same idea - let me cite The Fothergill Omnibus - and writers may choose to publish theirs even if they feel pre-empted. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.148 |
I've probably confused the issue with my analogy. I should have made it finer and said that there are many people who have more or less the same idea. Each variation on an idea would be a different suit then, each person a different card in that suit. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
<<<"evolution>>> Well it is. That's why it's still called "The theory of Evolution".  Let's see that twitch... | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
---"Evolution is only a theory" a phrase guaranteed to make a muscle twitch in my cheek." Well it is. That's why it's still called "The theory of Evolution". Let's see that twitch... I don't know what happened to the copy pate on that first try | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.114.215 |
While you're flailing at your keyboard with a fist full of sausages, you might want to consider that the problem word in the original phrase was "only", not "theory". | ||
| Ian Alexander Martin (Iam) Username: Iam Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 207.6.255.47 |
I'm sitting next to Kate for this one, as my brain also hurts; and I'm staggeringly intelligent. ...where's Zed when we need to change the topic to boobies? | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
Coincidences of the kind described above occurred in Lovecraft's day, too. The main story in the November 1930 issue of Weird Tales was the very poor "A Million Years After" by a Katharine Metcalf Roof, about a present-day hatching of dinosaur eggs. Now Lovecraft had been asking Frank Long for years to write just such a tale, but Long had always refused because he felt that story had been written by Wells (notably "AEpyornis Island). Lovecraft was so angry about the coincidence (let's call it that) that he wrote to Long saying he'd probably write an 'egg story' himself, then. Which he did soon afterwards, when he conceived of At the Mountains of Madness. Not an 'egg story' in the literal sense, but the idea remains intact. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
Interestingly the dinosaur egg idea also appears in early-twentieth french weird literature. Maurice Renard's "Vacances de monsieur Dupont" (1905) may, however, have been inspired by Wells, for in 1908 Renard dedicated his mad scientist novel Le docteur Lerne to Wells. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
"While you're flailing at your keyboard with a fist full of sausages, you might want to consider that the problem word in the original phrase was "only", not "theory"." You might want to consider that it's still ONLY called the theory of evolution then. My statement stands whether the problem word is only or theory. Let's see that twitching... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Boobies. I mean, you've gotta love them, haven't you? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 82.38.75.85 |
You know, reading this thread, I'm sure I've slipped into some kind of alternate reality - I just can't understand a word of it!  | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
"You know, reading this thread, I'm sure I've slipped into some kind of alternate reality - I just can't understand a word of it! " Well Zed was just saying that a ladies breasty dumplings are things to be admired. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.249.125 |
Caroline, it was originally about the evils of plagiarism. And then, well, as I like to put things in my very own original words, Zed was just saying that a ladies breasty dumplings are things to be admired. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
You didn't even bother to correct my deliberate (yeah course it was) typo... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
That's because he's American and illiterate (: | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.249.125 |
Web, I will only put my name to something that adheres to the author's original intentions, even if that makes me look bad by replicating misspellings. It's difficult having a set of ethical standards, but then, no one said writing would be easy.... | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Craig - in case that translated badly, I was kidding. You may now tear me asunder with well-tuned barbs of ferocity, dear sir. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
Writing is easy. I've just written a play called Juliet and Romeo about these two lovers whose families hate each other. Only took me a few minutes. It could be a classic. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I can see why you admire Ello Ello/Allo Allo so much | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.249.125 |
Frank - actually, I laughed at the part where you called me illiterate, for reproducing Weber's words exactly. They say explicating a joke isn't funny, but, well... here, it is.  | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.108.62 |
"You might want to consider that it's still ONLY called the theory of evolution then." Wow. Have another go at grasping the basic concept. It's like someone watching trying to climb a wet rope. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.237.21 |
. . . watching someone trying to climb a wet rope? | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Dear me! To return to the subject of this thread, a comment of mine was deleted on Shocklines (the home of vanishing messages). Let me repeat it here. I regret helping Mr Byron to appear legitimate by giving him an interview years ago. He cited it on the Shocklines thread as evidence of his good reputation. I deplore his plagiaristic antics, and I recommend everyone who reads this to warn potential victims about him. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
In fact you can find screengrabs of both pages of the deleted thread here, in the entry for November 13: http://therustynail.wordpress.com/ Click on them and they expand. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Beware afresh... http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/17104/master/1/?page=1 | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Oh dear, I appear to have upset Mr Boyer: http://tinfoildave.webs.com/ See "A Reply from Ramsey Campbell". Two things aren't entirely clear to me: in what way my email was one of "the most recent acts of slander, harassment, and defamatory comments and accusations aimed at yours truly by total strangers", and why Mr Boyer published an interview he thought was so terrible. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
It looks as if the fellow feels cornered and is turning nastier. May I ask everyone here to warn their friends in editing and publishing about him? He clearly hasn't stopped his practices and appears to have no intention of doing so. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
I won't touch him with a ten foot shitty stick, don't you worry. The man is clearly a tool of the highest order. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
The saga grows more extraordinary. Less than a fortnight ago Mr Boyer fiercely denied posing as a Wisconsin lady with a cat shelter: http://tinfoildave.webs.com/ (see "I am a transexual") But "Dylan Cook", the person (among many others) he was accused of being (http://thecatlady.webs.com/) doesn't just sell books such as Beguiled, which Mr Boyer edited under another name - she now asks people to send payment to her "accountant", David Boyer: http://thecatlady.webs.com/apps/webstore/ Warn your friends! | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
And now he has an attorney. Or does he? This to Jeani Rector: Allan Borders <aborderslaw@yahoo.com> Miss Rector: You may not have any expectations about my authenticity as an attorney. I owe you nothing. In addition, I am not obligated to provide you with any information, only correspondence pertaining to this case. By what I've seen of your past correspondence with my client, I'd be in fear of you having my personal information to begin with. However, any information about myself - as well as any doubts you have as to me and my firm - will be provided for you when my client files charges next month. I will keep this email on record as well, to show the court your apparent refusal to cooperate in this matter. And bear in mind, if you post any of our correspondence on line without permission, it will be logged into court record as well. I, myself, as well as a local prosecutor, have data CDs containing some very incriminating evidence against you, we have been following your website for a while now, and it would be advisable for you to comply with my request, in order to keep it out of court, and your own name untarnished. Sincerely, A. Borders How curious that entering "Allan Borders Attorney" in a search engine brings up nothing! Well, if he objects to my copying his email from the Shocklines forum, he'll have to deal with my lawyers Menzies, Waterstone and Hatchard. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.24.131 |
What a fuckwit. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
I always believe a lawyer with a Yahoo e-mail address. They're serious business. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
Here's a link with much more information about Mr B: http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Beware/Boyer/DavidBoyerPlagiarist.html | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.156.233.116 |
Lawyers don't contact via email - they do it by post. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.24.131 |
Oh yeah? perry.mason@yahoo.com Drop him a line and see how wrong you are, boy. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
Yeah, but he's a crook. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.49 |
Latest news from the rusty nail about Dave Boyer "News flash! We found a new David Boyer alias! It is Leland Gaines and you can find “Leland” here: http://lelandgaines.webs.com/ and here: http://trueconfessionsbook.webs.com/ on Twitter here: http://twitter.com/#!/Kentuckywriter5 and here: http://exposureroom.com/members/lelandg51/blogs/post/1452/ See his screenplay where he writes about a celebrity interviewer and a plagiarist here: http://www.simplyscripts.com/scripts/TheHorrorWriter.pdf Notice the part where he combines two of his other aliases Tobey King and Dylan Cook in this scene: RICE {Leaning his face in toward the desk} Wonderful! Now, here’s the question; it is said that a whole chapter in your new book is actually an abbreviated – and plagiarized – version of a story written by the up and coming horror writer, Tobey Cook, entitled Stealing the Nightmare. Any comment?" | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.5.54.58 |
I must say I wonder why he identifies with Leland Palmer (as the use of the Twin Peaks theme on the web site makes clear). | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Wouldn't it be a good idea if all the people whom it concerned got together and posted some kind of unified posting making it clear he would be revealed at every opportunity? | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.5.54.58 |
I think he knows that, Frank. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I have no understanding of why somebody would steal somebody's other work and pass it off as their own. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.53 |
I have no understanding of why somebody would steal somebody's other work and pass it off as their own. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.24.131 |
Weber, you fool! You forgot to change a few words, thereby making it undetectable. You're just not in the Boyer class. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.57 |
I have no understanding of why somebody would steal somebody's alternative work and pass it off as their own. W.G. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
LOL. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.51 |
Lol | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 82.210.134.81 |
This is a bit like the person who apes the other person speaking, endlessly going round in circles. We could be at this all day long. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
This is similar to... no this joke wears thin pretty quickly. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>I have no understanding of why somebody would steal somebody's other work and pass it off as their own.<< I'm afraid some of my students do it regularly - and they're daft enough to think they can get away with it too. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.14.64 |
Probably they've read film critics defending Wes Craven. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.68 |
No doubt Mr Boyer will quote you, Joel. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.18.247 |
Fair point. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.5.47.65 |
I do like his author photograph. http://www.amazon.com/Leland-Gaines/e/B004UL9NTO | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.24.131 |
And the name of his book stretches irony to breaking point. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.24.212 |
Mr Boyer tries again - oh, how trying he is. From his latest (wholly unsolicited) email to me: Firstly, let me point something out to you: Who in the HELL would be crazy enough to be guilty of all the things I've been accused of? And, as you can see, I am still online, selling books, publishing books. It doesn't add up... No facetious answers, please. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.24.212 |
And my reply to Mr Boyer/Byron/Cook/Gaines (add aliases ad nauseam): Don't try it on with me, please. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.66.23.11 |
Another possible answer would be - "If you're guilty of one tenth of what you've been accused of you're still a worthless maggot to be avoided at all costs..." | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.29.116 |
Watch out! http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/18399/master/1/?page=1 I suspect a lot of people will be checking the text very closely when the magazine resurfaces - they certainly will if I have anything to do with it. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.242.192 |
He's taking submissions, Ramsey. Is it OK if I send in The Same In Any Language. I'm very fond of that tale and would love to be credited as its author. (At least I asked.) | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.29.116 |
As long as I can send The House of Canted Steps! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.242.192 |
Sounds like a fair deal to me. Unless he's paying by the word rather than the quality. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.29.116 |
I also have to wonder why, if assistant editor Kimberley Bowling is so prolific, her listing shows not a single published story, just an upcoming appearance in Folly. A Google search for her name brings up no published titles either | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.134.158 |
The exposure and vulnerable nature of this case can now be discussed under the following headline: Kimberley Bowling's all aKimBo. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.21.246 |
More! http://shocklinesforum.yuku.com/topic/18411/DAVID-BOYER-has-new-website I especially like Iron Dave's post addressed to me as a response. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.9.243.113 |
He's back again. Beware, and tell your friends. http://b-thoughtful2.blogspot.com/2011/07/david-boyer-of-vincennes-indiana-new.h tml#comments | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.21.232 |
And yet again... http://b-thoughtful2.blogspot.com/ I note that 16 TERRORS appears still to be using my interview to help promote the book. That's the interview referred to in my famous exchange with Mr Boyer/Byron/insert aliases ad nauseam: "to nvfmagazine@gmail.com date Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:46 AM subject Ramsey Campbell interview Since you're inviting emails, I should like to withdraw the interview you conducted with me. I don't want to see it used to help your reputation appear legitimate. Sincerely - Ramsey Campbell David Boyer's response to Ramsey Campbell: No problem, Mr. Campbell. I wouldn't want to soil your reputation by using the lousy, boring interview you gave me almost three years ago. You dragged your dead ass all over that interview as though you were in a cathartic coma, ready to purge your bowels at any moment. If you weren't interested in the first place, why did you do it? I didn't need your ''help'' in getting established. Since that pathetic interview, I have conducted over 300 more. And, without your assistance." | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Wow, what a bellend. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Can one have a 'cathartic coma'? I might have to give that a go... | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.31.20.76 |
Freud had a word for blokes like this. He called them cunts. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
No, that was Jung. Freud used to call them chebs. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.181.8.175 |
...or was it Chuds? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.144.35.73 |
I want to live in a world without plagiarism. Now you may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.23.127 |
Beware - Boyer is after your work under yet another alias. From Jeani Rector: Please be aware that plagiarist and online con artist David Boyer is very active using the alias Sean Killian and now he is soliciting money in addition to your fiction. Here is an email I received today (I have removed the sender's name): Dear Jeani, I've recently been attracting interest for publishing my work over the last couple of weeks from 'Sean Killian.' After I was offered a contract, I goggled his name and found out this was another alias by being used by David Boyer. Unfortunately by the time I found this out I had already emailed him some of my stories-I have emailed him a cease and desist order, but be aware he is soliciting material under the magazine banner 'future of horror.' He also requests fifty usa dollars for a fee for art, etc. Luckily I figured it out before I sent him any cash. Do you have any advice about the work I have sent him, other than threatening him with copyright infringement etc? Pleas spread the word about his latest efforts, yours sincerely, Name Removed | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Nasty! And it sounds like there's another nasty publisher to avoid: (saw this linked to by someone on the BFS forum) http://mandydegeit.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/when-publishing-goes-wrong-starring- undead-press/ | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.30.216 |
There's more to the Undead Press story: http://alyndayofthedead.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/suffering-in-silence.html?zx=b421 0609365fbd06 And http://kellidunlap.com/?p=3345 And by gum, even more: http://tonygsucks.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.30.216 |
And here is a sample of Mr Giangregorio's novel The Mist - sorry, The Dark. http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-ebook/dp/B002TSB0ZK/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie= UTF8&qid=1337152566&sr=1-4 | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.8.30.216 |
You may find Mr Giangregorio's thoughts about writing in the foreword of his novel DEAD MOURNING significant: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935458280?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwperfectbyd-20&linkCod e=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1935458280 | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.185.225.55 |
That last reads as if it'd been written in a foreign language and someone had used Altavista Babelfish to translate it. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.185.225.55 |
I reckon he's nicked DEAD MOURNING from Garth Marenghi. | ||
| David_lees (David_lees) Username: David_lees Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 92.22.58.98 |
"I believe I am...smart, intelligent people." Brilliant. Bad writing or multiple personality disorder? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
And this looks like a rather creepy threat against one of his "victims" on Facebook: http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1763027.html | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.61.103 |
I wonder what drives people like that. Is it Wilde's aphorism "Any type publicity, even the negative variety, is better than no publicity at all"? | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.185.225.55 |
...or is it simply some idiot saying "I'm wonderful and always right; everyone else is stupid and wrong"? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.145.208.153 |
I think mick takes the prize for the right answer here. We have a twunt who doesn't have the writing talent to get anyone else to publish him so he pretends to be a publisher and editor in order to fill his own fantasy. There's a depressing number of these idiots out there. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.184.110.158 |
http://www.briankeene.com/?p=11423 several links through this blog |