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Des (Des)
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Registered: 06-2008
Posted From: 86.169.217.61
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:02 pm:   

Just that.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 83.98.9.4
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:10 pm:   

Brand for definitie.

Ross is the best film reviewer on british telly IMHO so keep him on. He has apologised properly not like the annoying c*** Brand.

I assume you're talking about Russel and not Jo.

Jo Brand's a nice woman. I met her in a lift in Glasgow a few weeks ago.
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Craig (Craig)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.5.3.99
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:27 pm:   

This must all be something very British, because I have no fudging idea what the fudge you're talking about.
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:44 pm:   

A stand must be made against this silly, immature, laddish behaviour which seems to be a hangover from the 1990's...

Brand is an overrated prat IMHO...Ross should have known better.

Grow up boys.

gcw
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Posted From: 79.70.42.78
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:45 pm:   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080621/Russell-Brand-Jonathan-Ross-face -prosecution-obscene-air-phone-calls-Fawlty-Towers-actor-78.html

There you go Craig!
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 82.3.65.135
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:50 pm:   

>>>Jo Brand's a nice woman. I met her in a lift in Glasgow a few weeks ago.

Big lift, was it? Her and your leather jacket?

Ooh, naughty, nasty Fry!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 89.19.65.24
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 08:23 pm:   

If there's truth to be found, surely it's in a shrill Daily Mail headline.

"Later in the programme Brand even joked about the idea that Mr Sachs might consider suicide as a result of their comments.
Imagining a news bulletin, he said: ‘The main news again. Manuel Andrew Sachs hung himself today...’"

Sounds like he was just doing his job there. Clearly, whether you found it funny or not, this was intended as a joke.

All this is dragging comedy into the harsh studio lights of a news room so that people can be offended by it out of context. I think they should apologise to poor old Sachs, but let's not ask comedy to be safe, shall we?
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 08:28 pm:   

No strong feelings on Wossy. Brand, on the other hand, I've always found about as funny as gas gangrene of the scrotum.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted From: 218.168.177.156
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 10:02 pm:   

I'm with Gcw.

I mean, in what context is this not offensive? I don't see how 'safe' comes into it either, to be honest. Does anyone think what they did was particularly brave and daring? I think it's entirely possible to be daring and funny without being excessively offensive and, frankly, idiotic.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 78.152.216.217
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:06 pm:   

I don't think it was right, let's not pretend to be more shocked and appalled than we really are, though. I suppose the amount of rope you're going to give a comedian is subjective because it'll depend greatly on how funny you think they are.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:12 pm:   

The prank was juvenile, but is the reaction excessive? We had two hours solid of phone calls on today's Radio Merseyside phone-in viliflying Ross and Brand and expressing sympathy for Sachs. What seems odd is that not a single call expressed sympathy for the granddaughter, surely the subject of the original insult. Let us remind ourselves about her:

http://celebrity.rightpundits.com/?p=4546
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:14 pm:   

Viliflying! That's a new kind of air transport. Let me try "vilifying".
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted From: 218.168.177.156
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:30 pm:   

It does seem odd that nobody is showing sympathy for the granddaughter. I suppose it's excessive on both sides.

'Viliflying' - makes me think of Howl's Moving Castle!
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:43 pm:   

Having actually listened to the call now, it first seemed Ross was more responsible for the unpleasant aspect of it, with Brand just being an annoying tit (comme toujours)... and then Brand called back and started making it worse. I certainly didn't see anything cutting-edge about it- it just sounded like the kind of arsing around that would be hilariously funny to a pair of 14 year olds banjoed on Diamond White and to others similarly incapacitated,but not really to anyone else.

I wouldn't have known about the call if it wasn't for all the fuss made, much less bothered listening to it, and I wonder how many people have done likewise after the event. Probably a lot more than heard the original broadcast. For the world and his dog to waste time and breath banging on about these two Durex adverts just gives them attention they don't deserve.
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 11:45 pm:   

And having posted that, I've just realised I've done exactly what I've been saying others shouldn't have. Sigh. Find something useful to do, Simon...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 78.152.195.69
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 12:24 am:   

"Georgina appears as Voluptua in the burlesque troupe Satanic Sluts."

Let's be honest -- if you want your nookie to be discrete, you don't hop into an orgy with Russell Brand.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted From: 86.159.141.80
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 01:21 am:   

The prank was juvenile, but is the reaction excessive?

Certainly, and especially so now that the Prime Minister has passed on his thoughts on the affair.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted From: 81.96.242.126
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:12 am:   

Mountain; molehill.
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Hubert (Hubert)
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Posted From: 78.21.22.160
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:32 am:   

Much ado about nothing.
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Des (Des)
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Posted From: 86.169.217.61
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:46 am:   

Certainly, and especially so now that the Prime Minister has passed on his thoughts on the affair.
===========

And mine, too.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.3.65.135
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:33 am:   

>>>Georgina appears as Voluptua in the burlesque troupe Satanic Sluts

"She's from Barcelona."
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Posted From: 79.70.29.243
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:46 am:   

For a start the PM should stay out of it. I don't want an absolute caretaker government. Brand and Rss shouldn't lose their jobs. I haven't heard the tape but if they went too far, they should apologise and everyone should move on.

I watch Ross' Friday night programme and enjoy it. Too much censorship and we'll continue to slip into an Orwellian world.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.3.65.135
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:53 am:   

Oh, by the way, while we're all discussing this, Northern Rock is repossessing homes with unprecedented ruthlessness. Just thought I'd mention it.
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Posted From: 79.70.29.243
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 01:23 pm:   

The government said they were going to step in and get banks/building socs to rent the homes to the past owners but this has been put off until Jan. Now that is were the govermnent could be useful -if that is the kind of goverment they are. There will be opposing view to that too though.
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 01:31 pm:   

It IS being overblown I agree, but lets be honest here...if it hadn't been, Ross, Brand and, let's not forget the editor, producer, or whatever prat allowed this drivel to be broadcast would simply have got away with it.

It IS rude, it IS insulting,it IS demeaning.

What is also worth noting when you listen to the broadcast is how UNFUNNY it actually is.

Andrew Sachs has made me laugh much more that these two silly little boys.

I think a suspension is the right thing. They won't sack them, they are too popular (and expensive).

I dunno, maybe I am getting older, but...no, vulgarity can be funny, but not this one sided, bullying, tosh.

gcw
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 01:41 pm:   

"Too much censorship and we'll continue to slip into an Orwellian world."

Hi Ally!

I agree we walk a fine line between censorship & freedom of speech, but that is not an excuse to be crass and and take advantage of the 'I can say anything I want me!'attitudes that, (particularly Russell Brand) seem to exhibit.

For instance, if I wish to write c***t in my post's as it's a 'good descriptive' swear word I won't because i accept a lot of people find it unpleasant.

I would probably get told off - rightly so.

I think it's sad when I listened to the actual broadcast on Youtube to read the comments posted beneath...

What's the problem..?? she looks like a slag anyway...?? Wossy & Brand are funny (so that's
ok?)

I guess I just wasn't made for these times.

gcw
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Registered: 10-2008
Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 02:03 pm:   

Agree with you about the comments on the granddaughter, GCW. She's a burlesque dancer, OK, fine. She's not a prostitute. Even if she was, that doesn't give two crass arseholes licence to abuse her.

When I was at college, and later at work, there'd often be some guy who, because he was a pretty boy, or because he was funny- often in a very cruel and mean-spirited way- seemed to get away with murder. I suppose Ross and Brand fall into that category- although as I said before, I do not find Brand funny and cannot understand how anyone could. I know some people do, but it's genuinely beyond me how. I find him annoying, self-aggrandising, and he usually has the same effect on me as nails down a blackboard.

That said, a lot of contemporary standup I've seen leaves me cold. Omid Djalili is one of the few exceptions, perhaps because he's actually got something interesting to say- unlike Brand, who's mostly going on about how many women he's shagged and how clever he is. Neither of which I believe.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 147.252.230.154
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 02:21 pm:   

"What's the problem..?? she looks like a slag anyway...?? Wossy & Brand are funny (so that's
ok?)"

At the risk of this sentence becoming the equivalent of "Saddam is a very bad man but...", I do think the calls were childish and out of order.

That said... she had an orgy with a man who has a) no sense of responsibility b) a huge mouth and c) his own national radio show. If she's adult enough to engage in group sex, she should be adult enough to have figured out that this would get out. Anyone in a group called the Satanic Sluts is using sex to get noticed. Well, mission accomplished.

"Omid Djalili is one of the few exceptions"
Wow, taste is a funny thing. His entire schtick is to draw attention to the fact that he's Iranian. Repeatedly. He's got nothing. (Aside: is there anything more boring than someone banging on about their own ethnicity?)
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 02:29 pm:   

Hi Proto- Re Djalili, I like him because he's telling me about an aspect of life I know nothing about. He does so in a funny way that has me in stitches. Personal taste, as you say. When I see Brand I just see an annoying, hyperactive teenager.

As for the 'orgy' bit.. I was under the impression that Brand hadn't actually slept with her, that this was just something made up by the Dipstick Duo as part of their 'humour'. Where's the orgy reported?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 78.152.247.117
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 04:47 pm:   

Brand said it was an orgy in his previous podcast.
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Posted From: 79.70.29.243
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 04:54 pm:   

Hi GCW!

Still haven't heard the damn thing yet.I'll go and check it out.
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:45 pm:   

Hi Ally :-)

I just watched the BBC interview with Andrew Sachs - Now thats how a GENTLEMAN behaves.

People could learn a lot from him. The man has dignity.

Respect.

gcw
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   

"What's the problem..?? she looks like a slag anyway...?? Wossy & Brand are funny (so that's
ok?)"

Proto...

Just in case you didn't realise, I was referring to Youtube comments -they aren't my own (or opinions)

Shoulda used speech marks!

Cheers,

gcw
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 79.187.206.46
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 06:27 pm:   

Really, chaps. Who seriously gives a toss apart the Sachs?
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Des (Des)
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Posted From: 86.169.217.61
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 06:31 pm:   

On the contrary. It's a seminal issue.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted From: 79.187.206.46
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   

Des - no offense, mate, but I can think of much more serious problems happening right now. Like, why when I got back to England and found that Brookside had been cancelled. What the hell?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 160.6.1.47
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   

Thanks for the clarification GCW.

Thank God the government got involved too. This is much more important than Iraq or that global warming thingy. They should send the troops in. Invade television. Albert Square can be the Green Zone, a staging post for an assault on BBC 2. Crusade across the channels. I bet Richard Madeley will fight back.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:16 pm:   

"It's a seminal issue."

Ha! It was on Brand's behalf...
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted From: 90.209.220.3
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   

I'm willing to bet Ross and Brand were surprised by the way the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. It was nothing more than a childish prank.

The way Sachs dealt with it was incredibly humbling. As for the granddaughter, I'd agree with what Proto said; you sleep with the 'Sun Shagger of the Year', you hardly expect it to end with candles and champagne.

As for the public's reaction to the thing, it was probably driven by the usual Daily Mail Ubernannies. I can't believe the PM has been dragged into it...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 89.19.80.98
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:23 pm:   

Hmm, the BBC News website isn't working. Coincidence?

And am I the only one to think that Sachs was rubbish in Fawlty Towers? Ballard Berkeley's performance as the Major is inspired and overlooked.
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Simon_b (Simon_b)
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Posted From: 86.24.165.182
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:24 pm:   

Que?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 89.19.80.98
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:33 pm:   

It's hard not to think of Andrew Sachs as a sentence now.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:35 pm:   

Ballard Berkeley's performance as the Major is inspired and overlooked.

I'll agree with that but I liked Sachs in it too.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 78.152.217.7
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:07 pm:   

"Former BBC chairman Sir Christopher Bland..."

You can't make this up. Ross is suspended on full pay. How's that punishment exactly?
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Albie (Albie)
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Posted From: 195.195.244.67
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 01:54 pm:   

Brand should get the Sach. HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA@com

But Johnathan Ross is the funniest thing on BBC1. Brand can feck off and do a million other things.

Funny, Bill Oddie made a joke on Autumnwatch about Barry White not being attractive to women, especially NOW.

HE can make a joke about women being horrified by a famous fat man's rotting corpse, and it goes unnoticed?

If everyone involved in this debacle had been killed at birth we wouldn't be discussing this.

Think on.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:14 pm:   

And am I the only one to think that Sachs was rubbish in Fawlty Towers?

I'm with you on that one, proto - but I stopped finding the whole show funny when I hit puberty. I really don't understand its lasting appeal. :-/
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.3.65.135
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:41 pm:   

Shut up, philistine!
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:45 pm:   

Fawlty Towers is, among many other things, a brilliant analysis of neurosis, marriage, social class and post-WWII England.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:51 pm:   

It's also badly-acted, unsubtle, shouty, and repetitive. IMHO, of course. :-)
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:54 pm:   

Watch it again with the eyes of adulthood. It's very subtle, well-acted (especially by Cleese and Scales) and brilliantly inventive.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:09 pm:   

Zed, you've been infected with the Oxford comma virus. This board will now be isolated and nobody will be allowed to leave until the virus has been neutralised. Those infected can be identified from their blank, hungry, and chilling stares.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:11 pm:   

Aaaargh! I can't believe it; they got me in the end.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:28 pm:   

Ross is suspended on full pay. How's that punishment exactly?

I'm not sure it's meant as punishment - I think his show's been put on hold whilst they decide whether or not he's been a naughty boy.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:32 pm:   

Jole, in the other thread, you missed out an apostrophe! :<0000000
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:32 pm:   

And I can't spell your name!
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:36 pm:   

Apostrophe? Where?
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 75.4.236.82
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:50 pm:   

"I'm sure **its** possible..."

I was a tattle-tale growing up, did I mention that?...

I've never been a huge fan of "Fawlty Towers," but then, the last time I saw it, I was probably a teenager.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:52 pm:   

On da Rec fred. No matter. Just joshticulating.
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted From: 217.43.119.113
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:00 pm:   

I'm with Mr.Fry..Fawlty Towers is the pinnacle of British TV Comedy.

I may be reading more into this than I should, but I think a lot of the black humour in Ramsey's work is very Fawlty Towers...

gcw
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.3.65.135
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:06 pm:   

Happily, Cleese didn't come at FT from sit-com; he came at it from Ayckbourn, Frayn and Stoppard. FT is, I think, the closest thing we have to a sit-com that works as literature.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted From: 78.152.208.199
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:38 pm:   

Oddly enough, Fawlty Towers is a typical 70s sitcom on the page. It's the performances that elevate it.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 83.98.9.4
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:40 pm:   

Mr Zed, I am so disappointed with you.

i used to think your opinions were fairly credible but now I'll have to rethink that.

Fawlty is the pinnacle of British sit-com making. 12 hours of pure unadulturated laugh out loud funniness.

Is funniness a word?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:42 pm:   

Sorry, but I just don'e get it. The show is...okay. Too much shouting and broad humour. And the Manuel character is very, very badly done. Since when is saying Que funny?

But ignore me; I like Mel Brooks. :-)
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:46 pm:   

IMHO, the pinnacle of British sit-com making was PORRIDGE.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:56 pm:   

Like the best comedy, the laughs come from the characterisation: Basil's neurotic thinking and projection and petulant rage and insecure snobbery are inspired insights.

Manuel is a minor character, but at least he isn't "just an idiot" like the ghastly cartoon parodies we see in the likes of Vicar of Dibley, etc. By making him Spanish, the misunderstanding and stupidity were ascribed to language problems.

The plots are masterpieces of farce, and there's not a dud one. The show deals with so much in just 12 half-hour episodes:

Anglo-American relations (Waldorf Salad)
Psychiatry (The Psychiatrist)
Post-WWII tensions (The Germans)
Social class (that one with the confidence trickster)
Marriage (the anniversary episode)
Bureaucracy (The Hotel Inspector; The Kipper and the Corpse)

Etc.

In a word: genius
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:59 pm:   

Weber, incredibly there's just 6 hours and a quarter of Fawlty Towers (for some reason, The Psychiatrist was 45 minutes long). Makes its legacy even more remarkable.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:02 pm:   

It's all about taste, of course, but I just think it's OK. maybe I should watch them again, just to be sure. But last time I tried the show gave me a headache. :-/

I'm not really a fan of Cleese, to be honest. I always preferred Eric Idle.

Love Python; think Fawlty Towers is overrated. From that era, I prefer PORRIDGE, STEPTOE AND SON, RISING DAMP, REGGIE PERRIN.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:05 pm:   

All good shows, I agree.

You're right: humour is a subjective thing.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   

Very. For example I find me hilarious, but nobody else does. :-)
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:12 pm:   

I do. But not the same reasons.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:14 pm:   

Yeah, well, that's the last time I dance naked for you.

Those were my best moves, too: the Sleepy Snail and the Plum Waggle
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:19 pm:   

I never saw no plums waggle.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:25 pm:   

Did you have your binoculars?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:28 pm:   

Yes, he did - he waas watching me from a tower block over a mile away. Damn pervert. I did wonder, however, why he was brandishing those tweezers...
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:34 pm:   

I had something in my eye. Then I realised that it was the end of my penis.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:37 pm:   

Lucky it wasn't hard - it could have blinded me.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 11:04 pm:   

What about Rising Damp? Leonard Rossiter was sublime in that. Surely ITV comedy's finest hour.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 11:40 pm:   

Steve - did you get my email?
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 12:19 am:   

Gary, yes I did. And sent one back, mate.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 08:54 am:   

Rewatched Rising Damp recently: Rossitor was a genius, and his performance elevated a pretty good script into something great.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 08:57 am:   

Still not technically in the same league as FT, tho. :-)
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 08:58 am:   

>>>Surely ITV comedy's finest hour.

Not saying much really, is it, mate? :-)
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 07:52 pm:   

You've got a point.

But what about Duty Free?

What about In Loving Memory? Only When I Laugh?

What about George & Mildred? What in the name of Gawd about Selwyn Froggat?
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 07:53 pm:   

I hope the irony was visible in my last post.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 08:09 pm:   

Actually, you know, George and Mildred wasn't bad. Johnnie Mortimer wrote it.

What about that utterly execrable bullshit starring Jim Davison?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   

Up the Elephant and Round the Castle? Yep; garbage.

George and Mildred is great - as is On the Buses!
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 09:54 pm:   

...as is On the Buses!

FFS!
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   

I'll get you Butler!
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   

What about Bill Maynard in The Gaffer?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   

Never The Twain. Total fucking shite.

That's My Boy. Total fucking shite.

Btw, folks, did you know that Duty Free was written by Eric Chapppell - the author of...Rising Damp?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:27 pm:   

But you know, there's a certain tawdry delight to be derived from watching old sitcoms. I expect that for me it's the same feeling Lord P and Sir Z get from viewing dodgy old horrors films. Nostalgia, the first real engagement with fiction as a kid. All this stuff is like Blackpool: tacky as hell, yet you can't help feeling affection for it.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:39 pm:   

I don't remember That's My Boy.

When I watched the film version of Steptoe and Son Ride Again as a kid, it was the first time I'd heard the word 'wanker' used outside the playground.

BBC comedy definitely has higher peaks than ITV's. But there are plenty of troughs; Sorry/Oh Doctor Beeching/Terry & June, etc
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:40 pm:   

Oh yes. Vicar or Dibley, anyone? The cheapest of cheap comedy. Richard Curtis should be shot.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:41 pm:   

That's My Boy? Sure you do: Molly 'blue-rinse' Sugden, the exaggerated matriarch with an edge of glamour that might just make you puke? No?

You ain't lived, boy.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 11:04 pm:   

Yeah, Gary, my wife seems to like Vicar of Dibley, whereas it makes me want to spoon out my eyes.

Mind you, I like it more than Absolutely Fabulous. That just leaves me cold.

And I remember That's My Boy now. Mollie Sugden. Now I'm thinking of wet pussies...I'm not a fan of Are You Being Served, either.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 11:10 pm:   

>>>Now I'm thinking of wet pussies

You're in the right place. WWW.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7D65SFOhM
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:37 am:   

The knock on effect is happening now of this whole row - where every time anyone makes an off colour joke the Mary Whitehouse brigade are screaming for their blood.

There's now hundreds of complaints trying to stop Mock the week after Frankie Boyles line about the queen - "I'm now so old my pussy is haunted".

And hundreds of complaints about a throwaway comment Clarkson made last night on Top Gear about truck drivers murdering prostitutes.

It's starting to get silly
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Albie (Albie)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 01:11 pm:   

When they talk about "Pitbull with lipstick" about Sarah Palin...it's not what I think they mean, is it?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 01:56 pm:   

It's the Stan Boardman fokkergate scandal all over again...
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 10:50 pm:   

Political correctness gone mad...

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