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     Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Mate, I was wondering what you thought of 24 Hour Party People and Control, with relation to Joy Division. I know you're a big fan, and believe it or not, I'm only now just discovering the genius of this band. I loved 24 Hour Party People (I'm a big Michael Winterbottom fan...Wonderland, Code 46, etc), and thought Control was a great film depicting the others side of the early eighties. Two completely different films in terms of style. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.104.55.242 |
Both were great films- Control was sublime- hej wait- there is one of my 2008 Fav's! Knew I had forgotten something. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
I loved Control without reservation. Samantha Morton is superb as Deborah Curtis, on whose book the film is based. The acted gig footage (not using JD soundtracks) is brilliant, while the use of actual JD tracks as background is a powerful atmospheric feature. I lived in Macclesfield briefly in 1982/3, and the film took me back forcefully to that time. 24 Hour Party People is lightweight and a bit gimmicky but a lot of fun. The Happy Mondays episode stood out for me. It's an ironic, quirky view of some fairly bizarre events, and Steve Coogan carries it along well enough. There's now a full-length documentary film, JOY DIVISION, that is an indispensible counterpart to CONTROL. We're privileged to have these films as records of the history of a band whose musical and cultural significance cannot be overstated. And people go on about Mike Oldfield like he matters. And Genesis. And Yes. Give me fucking strength. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
None are as great as the keyboard wizard and all-round genius Howard Jones. [to be spoken with the same reverence that Joel reserves for the Bay City Rollers] | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.241.252 |
I got loaned a bunch of Genesis CDs the other week as I foolishly mentioned in company that I'd not really heard any of their stuff. I couldn't even listen to a whole CD from the Peter Gabriel era. Gawd... | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
And the Alan Fucking Parsons Fucking Project. Appreciated, apparently, by those who recognise the value of musical excellence as opposed to raw energy. Wonder if they'd recognise the value of a punch in the mouth. Be fun finding out. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Especially as three minutes would never do. It would take three hours of sustained and orchestrated violence, with a spliff break in the middle. The blood wiped up with a gatefold sleeve. I'm not feeling too well disposed towards prog rock at this point in time. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.251.62 |
If Genesis was good enough for Patrick Bateman, it's good enough for me.... | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
I'm only familar with the well-known stuff by Joy Division, but CONTROL was mesmerising. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Joy Division aren't that hard to collect: just get the two studio albums and any retrospective collection with the singles, and you're there really. Though I think the appeal wears off slightly after the first thousand listens – you find yourself only playing them once a month after 20 years or so, instead of every few days. I went through a backlash phase in 2005 and didn't listen to anything of theirs all through October. Except UNKNOWN PLEASURES of course. Oh, and CLOSER. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.228.227 |
Great cover by Paul Young  | ||
| Simon Strantzas (Nomis) Username: Nomis Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 38.113.181.169 |
Never heard of "Joy Division". Are they some sort of "boy-band"? | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.194.17 |
From this moment onwards, I have no Simon Strantzas. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.78.125.69 |
Am I allowed to like THE STONE ROSES? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
I dunno, but I'm a huge fan of little-known Manchester band The Non Sequiturs. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.220.53 |
I saw the Stone Roses at Spike Island in Wigan in the early nineties. What a great day that was. I'm hoping to see Control in the next month. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Zed, funny you should say that because I was watering my begonias this morning and a Mazda drove past my house. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
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| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.78.125.69 |
In the summer of 199? I was inseparable from The Stone Roses. Took them to London and then on to Bordeaux :>) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
But aren't elephants faster than giraffes on a flat surface? I'd always thought so. I'd be a bit embarrassed if someone had to correct me now. I've told loads of people the opposite already. I always wondered what that slightly dismissive smirk on their faces meant. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Speaking of giraffes, my friend has a large brown dog. Amazing, eh? | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.183.137 |
Control was excellent, but a couple of things spoiled it slightly for me. I thought it could've been a little longer - the second album Closer is barely acknowledged, if at all - and the scene in which Ian Curtis was diagnosed as having epilepsy rang false, because no doctor would prescribe a whole cocktail of anti-convulsants all at once. It's a process of elimination, trying drugs one at a time until the most suitable one for the individual is found (sometimes more than one is needed, but you don't start out with a whole bunch). Also, one of the drugs the film has him being prescribed wasn't even around back then (it was introduced in the 1990s). I thought the actors did a great job playing the songs, though I wished there'd been more ('Heart and Soul', 'New Dawn Fades', 'Twenty-four Hours' and 'Decades', for example). | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.165.182 |
Joel, on Yes, I would refer you to the truly wonderful and surreal comic strip 'Sooner or Later' by Pete Milligan and Brendan McCarthy. In the second series, the main character, Swifty, and his mate Clinton have to spend a day apiece in a different time zone... "We arrived in London, at a concert somewhere in the seventies. The band was called 'Yes.' 'No,' I said to Clinton, and we went to sleep. When we woke up, twenty-four hours later, 'Yes' were still playing. The same song." | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.192 |
That must have been something from Tales From Topographic Oceans  | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
Does anyone have the album Scraping at the Eyeball by Vile Jelly? I get funny looks whenever I ask for it in HMV. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.192 |
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| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Do the HMV staff Lear at you? Have you tried the store in Gloucester? | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
Now you're making me feel a Fool. (It's all right, he doesn't mind.) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
As long as there is good sport at its making... | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.192 |
A joy for all you prog lovers out there: Curved Air are back together! They even have a new album out! | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
One for Joel http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ULngjhKnZ0o | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.241.252 |
A joy for all you prog lovers out there: Curved Air are back together! They even have a new album out! Sonja Kristina eh? Phwoar! | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.235.192 |
Mick, you're obviously a fan  |