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Tony (Tony)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.141.208.176
Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 09:58 am:   

It's getting the best reviews of Cameron's career. Anyone looking forward to it at all, hearing that?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 11:26 am:   

The trailers just make it look like another CGI-fest. I'm in two minds over this one
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 11:29 am:   

Same here... I still have to forgive him for 'Titanic'.

It took 'The Departed' for Di Caprio to be cleansed lol.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 11:42 am:   

Just read a plot synopsis of 'Avatar' and was wondering is this an attempt to film Frank Herbert & Bill Ransom's epic Pandora series?!

Those four books; 'Destination: Void', 'The Jesus Incident', 'The Lazarus Effect' & 'The Ascension Factor' are second only to the 'Dune Chronicles' as the greatest sci-fi series I have ever read.
Though Asimov's 'Foundation Saga' is at least in the same ballpark and I'm only half way through it.

Then again... even David Lynch couldn't bring 'Dune' to the screen successfully.
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Jonathan (Jonathan)
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 12:54 pm:   

Apparently the plot is very very very similar to a Philip Jose Farmer story, though it's not credited as being influenced by it. I think that Cameron has made some very strong films in the past. Both Aliens and Terminator are of the best examples of the 80s action movie. However, he did also make Titantic, which - in my opinion - is shite.
I'm not adverse to an entirely CG movie, as long as the story and characters are good.
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Paul_finch (Paul_finch)
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Posted From: 195.93.21.74
Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 01:09 pm:   

I can't help wondering if when this film entered development - some 15 years ago, apparently! - doing everything in CGI was a really cool and original idea. Because it certainly isn't now.

I hope there's more to it than state-of-the-art animation. The LORD OF THE RINGS movies worked for me because the special effects were secondary to a strong, character-driven narrative. In fact, they were woven so seamlessly in that you barely noticed them. AVATAR looks worryingly as if the special effects are the main selling point.

However, with luck I'll be proved wrong.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 01:10 pm:   

Naming the planet Pandora, that humans are trying to colonise despite the sentient alien population, and titling the film 'Avatar' (i.e. Avata) is a bit cheeky then... [spot the understatement]
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 09:27 pm:   

A recent 'South Park' episode referred to 'Avatar' as 'Dances with Smurfs', lol! How very apt.
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 12:15 am:   

I am very 'shrug' about it.

Maybe it will look great...but so what?

People seemed to be pleased by so little these days.

I'd rather watch Citizen Kane again.

Or am I just a soon to be 43 year old grump?

gcw
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 02:16 am:   

I'd personally rather see that apparently uber-scary train pulling into the station, and not just for my usual Freudian reasons.
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 02:17 am:   

I'm with you all the way on this one G. Us 43 year old grumps must stick together!
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted From: 86.141.208.176
Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 09:05 am:   

It sounds like some folk have decided they are *going* to hate/dislike it!
I know why there's animosity. We feel herded, like I did in mcDonalds yesterday. But we can't ignore 100% good reviews, can we? I think our feelings at this point should be irrelevant.
Kinda negates why I askd the question, I suppose.
(And Craig - just went to see The Button - the new film by that Darko guy. It's awful.)
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 09:07 am:   

And excuse me, but Avatar is BOUND to be a cgi fest. There's no other way they could have done it. CGI for me is little different to painted animation, or even just painting. But if it means anything I'm not excited about going to see it, just starting to realise I'll probably like it when I get there.
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Paul_finch (Paul_finch)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 11:27 am:   

The problem, I think, is that audiences will aways invest more in a human character than in an animated character.

But, I'm always happy to be proved wrong on things like this. Hopefully, AVATAR will do well. I won't be going personally, because it looks way too 'cartoony' for me - but I suspect others will flock
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Gcw (Gcw)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 12:26 pm:   

Tony, we all pre-judge stuff to some extent - for instance, everbody loved the recent 'Moon'.

I really enjoyed it too, but I didn't think it was a total classic - just a good one.

Avatar just doesn't look like my sort of film, which isn't to say it won't be fun, maybe I will see it and be bowled over!

gcw
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 03:46 pm:   

THE BUTTON - ha! Next we'll be referring to it as THE KNOBBY THING.

Tony, my two cents on this? I heard how groundbreaking AVATAR was in animation, etc., and so I first saw the trailers, I assure you, 100% prepared to be wowed - I just bought the hype without question, without my normal skepticism - and I was shocked to find, when *I* saw the trailers, nothing terribly new. I hope the movie is more than interesting-looking, but seriously, so far?... the hype didn't pan out, from the samples, for one who was already on their side from believing it....

Also, the story that emerged from the trailer I saw, didn't wow me either. It felt like nothing new. Perhaps I'm jaded beyond repair, and don't even know it....

(I think the only film that really lived up to its hype this year, was that wedding-train dance-in viral-vid. )
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Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 05:12 pm:   

I really want to like this, was looking forward to it (Robert Silverberg co-authored a series of novels in the 50s, I believe, with the same premiss) but have now seen clips on TV and it looks about as much fun as watching someone play a computer game. Sad.

Cameron was asked if he could've filmed it in another way years earlier. He said no. Which to me, indicates the tale's either not strong enough or wrong for a cinematic version.

I do hope it is good though and my fears are not met.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 05:15 pm:   

I was deeply uninterested until I just saw the full trailer. Now I'm intrigued. I admit the trailer gave me a bit of a rush...
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 05:56 pm:   

Seems to me to be no different than Lucas saying he wanted to wait 15 years until technology would allow him to present the Star Wars prequels the way he imagined them. We all now know very well what misplaced faith in CGI, a famous director with limitless funds and super hype can do to a movie. So I distrust any director when he says the movie couldn't be made sooner because the tech wasn't right. This proves beyond a doubt that the story and characters will play second or even third fiddle to the CGI 3D eye candy and explosive digital sound.
This is set to be pure teen sensory entertainment. My boys will love it.
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Karim Ghahwagi (Karim)
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Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 09:01 pm:   

I am very sceptical, but it has been getting excellent reviews- atleast from the London screening- I'm going to try and catch this on a 3D IMAX screen.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted From: 82.3.226.105
Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 10:27 pm:   

Well, I think it looks great. Am off to see it next week.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 02:28 pm:   

I've now seen the full trailer for this and while it does appear to have some story which makes it seem a touch more interesting, Dances with Smurfs is now stuck in my head and I could end up giggling all the way through...
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Karim Ghahwagi (Karim)
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Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 11:21 pm:   

I got a ticket for this Saturday morning, if this is worse than the latest Indiana Jones, that review will seem insignificant compared to my wrath here. I paid a tenner (pounds) for the ticket, plus the reservation, so this is the most expensive movie ticket thus far.
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Stu (Stu)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 02:50 am:   

Just got back from seeing a press screening. Good fun. Gets a bit silly in places and the running time meant that I ended up with deep vein thrombosis but if you just go along for the ride it's great.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 09:50 am:   

Stu - was it in 3D?
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John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 10:12 am:   

Front Row on Radio 4 last night tore this to pieces and actually called it 'horrendous'. I've never found Radio 4 to be the most complimentary about popular entertainment but can anyone who's seen it suggest why the reviewers (there were two) might have been so vehement about it?

Oh, and Guy Ritchie is going to up be up against Avatar with his take on Sherlock Holmes (whcih I'm far more keen on seeing) "But," said the reviewer "as a man who had been married to Madonna we know he likes taking on a challenge"
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Stu (Stu)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:22 pm:   

Zed, yep, 3D and IMAX.

John, I dunno, it's probably quite an easy film to dislike if it doesn't push your buttons. Some people will find the action scenes overblown, the plot simplistic, the characterisation one-dimensional, the special effects self-indulgent, the attempts at political allegory embarrassing, the "web of life" ecology theme naive and nauseating etc, etc.

But others will find the action scenes invigorating, the plot primal even mythic, the characterisation Hemingwayesque, the special effects breathtaking, the allegory obvious enough to appreciate but not so heavy-handed as to slow down the action, the spiritual/ecological stuff touchingly uplifting etc, etc.

For me, it probably helped that I managed to pretty much avoid hearing anything about the film before seeing it -- no, I don't know how I managed that either -- so I didn't have too many preconceptions. I just went in and had fun.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:34 pm:   

I have such bad vibes about the new Sherlock Holmes movie. It looks so wrong...

Basil Rathbone, Peter Cushing, Jeremy Brett - that's how to do Sherlock Holmes. Some things don't need reinvented.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:39 pm:   

At last we agree!
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:44 pm:   

Stu, the way you were able to see the "merits/demerits" for a "willing to be pleased/somewhat more demanding" audience has put me worryingly in mind of what I thought about 'Titanic'.

That and the filching of classic sci-fi ideas and references from all and sundry has my turkey radar going into overdrive.

But I thought the same about 'Antichrist' before seeing it so will give 'Avatar' a go and hope to be proved wrong.
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Stu (Stu)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:47 pm:   

I'm reserving judgement on the Holmes film. On paper it sounds terrible but it might be fun in a Young Sherlock Holmes and the Pyramid of Fear kind of way. And if it turns out to be crap I'll just go back to watching the masters mentioned above.

(Of course if it DOES turn out to be crap all my pretensions to evenhandedness will go out the window and I'll be screaming for Guy Ritchie's blood.)
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Stu (Stu)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 06:03 pm:   

Stephen, yeah, it's a bit Titanic (forgot to mention the panto villain) but there's some good stuff in there. And lots of themes from Cameron's other films resurface -- the fetishization/fear of technology and progress, the warrior/peacemaker paradox, contact with alien lifeforms, female empowerment (so long as they act like men), the soullessness of powerful corporations etc, etc. Of course not everyone will be pleased to see some (or all) of these themes return.

I think most people who like Cameron's films will probably enjoy Avatar -- they'll just disagree about what ranking it should take in his oeuvre. As for people who don't like Cameron ... I dunno, this MIGHT change their minds. Depends exactly what they dislike about his previous work.

And I didn't mean the "merits/demerits" as "willing to be pleased/somewhat more demanding", I just meant that not everyone likes the same things. Even I don't even agree with all the points I made in my lists and I wrote them.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 06:59 pm:   

We find it hard to have fun these days.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 01:31 pm:   

I have lots of fun.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 02:05 pm:   

It's easy to have fun. Just stop listening to all the idiots who tell you you've got to feel guilty about everything these days.
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Mark West (Mark_west)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 05:10 pm:   

I wish I had an award for genius advice to hand out, Weber, because that's brilliant!

With the Holmes film, from what I've seen, it looks pretty good (though on the trailers, the Tower Bridge/Westminster sections jarred on my eye for some reason) and I like Robert Downey Jr. I have no opinion on Avatar yet, except to say that what I've seen doesn't look that groundbreaking. But I've been wrong before.
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Chris_morris (Chris_morris)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 07:05 pm:   

>> It's easy to have fun. Just stop listening to all the idiots who tell you you've got to feel guilty about everything these days.

Good advice, Weber.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 06:32 pm:   

Speaking of idiots, we've not seen Craig for a few days.
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Rosswarren (Rosswarren)
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Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:02 pm:   

I loved it! The plot is a little obvious and cliche but the visuals are amazing. The world of Pandora is so richly detailed I kept expecting a David Attenborough voiceover!
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 02:17 pm:   

I've just returned from watching AVATAR.

Holy shit. I can't even describe how amazing this is. Totally immersive. Beautiful. Soulful. Heartfelt. Awe-inspiring. Thrilling. I felt like crying when it ended because I just didn't want to leave that world and its characters. I even kept the 3D glasses as a memento.

James Cameron just raised the bar higher than any other filmmaker working in the same genre could even attempt to reach. It was like watching STAR WARS for the first time when I was nine years old. That good; that special. Flawed, yes, but perfection is impossible. At least Cameron gave perfection his best shot, and reached brilliance.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 02:21 pm:   

So that's a six out of ten then Zed?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 02:26 pm:   

9/10

I was genuinely awed, thrilled and moved by this. Yeah, the message is as subtle as a kick in the balls, but the very fact a film like this has a message at all is a minor miracle. Just imagine what that idiot Michael Bay would have doe with it.

No, this is large-scale filmmaking at its best. Like Speilberg when he made CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. Wonderful stuff.
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Steve Bacon (Stevebacon)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 09:38 pm:   

That's convinced me. I'll watch this in January.
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 12:47 am:   

A work colleague of mine also compared seeing Avatar to the first time he saw Star Wars. He also said most of the Belfast audience were on their feet applauding at the end. This guy can be trusted to properly review a movie. So I'll definitely see this over the hols.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 02:33 am:   

If you like Cameron's stuff you'll love this. If you don't, you'll hate it. Keep that in mind.

I love everything he's done; even Pirahna 2.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 02:36 am:   

No-one mention TITANIC though, eh?
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 02:47 am:   

TITANIC is great, man. It does exactly what is says on the tin: a big, daft, fictionalised American version of a real-life tragedy. What did you expect, a low-key, thoughtful arthouse drama?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 09:16 am:   

I saw AVATAR last night. Stunning, it was. The story was nowt new and largely predictable, but who cares when it was carried off with this much panache and conviction? The effects were stunning throughout and the storytelling slick to match. Never a dull moment. I guess the good and evil thing was a bit broad, but hey, this is that kind if tale. The ecological subtext was never more timely, and done with real grace. Allusions to, ahem, modern politics and current situations in, ahem, a certain part of the world were obvious (hey, they still use the phrase 'shock and awe' in 2154!) and that didn't really sit well with the black and white morality, but sod that: let's just watch the fight. It was a film of two halves, both moving in different ways: the first half setting up rivalries, the second throwing them together. The last hour is magnificent. I deny anyone not to be drawn in (unless they're so up themselves that they've already been insulted by Cameron's crowd-pleasingly simple characterisation). Splendid world-creating throughout. My partner whispered to me halfway through, "It's like watching a canvas being painted." Brilliant, exciting, moving, broad as Blackpool beach [snigger], and true.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 11:40 am:   

TITANIC is great, man. It does exactly what is says on the tin: a big, daft, fictionalised American version of a real-life tragedy. What did you expect, a low-key, thoughtful arthouse drama?

No, but I did expect a halfway decent script and at least an attempt at acting. The production itself was excellent and the special effects very good too, but in the end it feels more like TRANSFORMERS than ALIENS, to me.
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Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 12:30 pm:   

I'll certainly mention Titanic, which I admired. I thought the acting was fine, and I do think any reading of the film has to start from the point that all the flashbacks are the heroine's version of events, some of which she hasn't even witnessed.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 12:55 pm:   

Cameron is certainly good at sci-fi as 'The Terminator', 'Aliens', 'The Abyss' & 'Terminator II' more than prove so I am looking forward to this as a return to form... BUT (sorry Ramsey) I really hated 'Titanic'. I found it almost infantile in its unsubtlety.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 01:11 pm:   

I said at the time that the tale of the Titanic has enough drama in it as it stands, without introducing a third-rate straight-from-the-pages-of-Hello-magazine romance.
Still, having read the opinions above, I'm looking forward to seeing AVATAR. Might even go to the BFI IMAX, as they're showing it on the big screen there, as well as in 3D.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 01:43 pm:   

I normally like Cameron but Titanic did nothing for me. I even prefer Piranha 2.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 08:58 am:   

I think Titanic needed the innocent approach it got.
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 04:10 pm:   

Going to see this tonight with expectations held at bay and mind open. Here's hoping...
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 02:47 am:   

Just back from watching 'Avatar' in 3D and I thoroughly enjoyed it - especially the climactic battle which really was something else!

However, after getting over the WOW factor of the visuals I can't call this an unqualified success. Yes, it was spectacular to look at and the world of Pandora (ripped off from Frank Herbert) was created with exceptional skill... BUT all of the characters were 2D stereotypes prone (as such characters are) to meaningless lapses of logic in the motivation for their actions and the plot was nothing more than an update of the old Pocahontas legend with a hefty bit of 'A Man Called Horse' thrown in for good measure.

One other thing I am sure James Cameron would be rather miffed about is that by far the most charismatic character in the movie was the "pantomime villain" Colonel in charge of slaughtering the tree-hugging locals (as humanely as possible, sort of). I, for one, would have followed that man to Hell and back!! YES SIR!!!!

To see the Americans portrayed as inflicting a 9/11 attack of their own on an innocent population was the single bravest element of the film but the rest of it was as predictable as waiting for the Sun to come up.

Overall the movie is vastly better than 'Titanic', significantly better than 'The Abyss' (which it bears some comparison to) but not a patch on 'Aliens' or either of Cameron's 'Terminator' movies.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 11:04 am:   

'The Abyss' is probably my personal favourite of Cameron's films. I loved it. The scene with Ed Harris charging through the water to reach his drowning wife is one of the most potent and emotionally charged in modern cinema, IMHO.

I keep saying this, but taken in context - in terms of Hollywood blockbusters aimed at middle America - Cameron simply can't be beaten. The very fact that 'Avatar' has any kind of message at all is a small miracle in this context. It's a modern fable, and as such needs to have archetypal characters and broad strokes.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 11:09 am:   

Btw, is it wrong to think the main female alien, Neytiri, is hot?
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 11:25 am:   

Better than one of my friends who, while very very drunk, admitted to fancying Gollum ...
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Karim Ghahwagi (Karim)
Username: Karim

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 193.89.189.24
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 03:38 pm:   

HA!
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 04:18 pm:   

His exact words, which he has never lived down in the last 5 years since he said it, were "Does anyone else think that Gollum is quite erotic, almost sexy in a weird sort of way?"
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.96.240.106
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 08:28 pm:   

To be honest, I'm more shocked by the news that you have friends.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.10.7.83
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 08:34 pm:   

Who can speak in sentences.
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 10:46 am:   

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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 11:03 am:   

Happy Christmas to you too
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
Username: Gary_fry

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.10.7.83
Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 11:06 am:   

We're just joshing with yez, W. Happy New Year!
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Gcw (Gcw)
Username: Gcw

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 86.170.202.7
Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 12:20 am:   

Back to Avatar....

Saw this tonight, Had a great time!

Loved the 3D, it was a really good experience, the kind of which I haven't had since my Dad finally brought home a colour telly in 1976.

Yeah, take away the spectacle and the plot was pretty thin, but just this once (JUST this once mind!) I didn't care.

I may not be so forgiving when I've got jaded about 3D though....:-)

gcw
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Allybird (Allybird)
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Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 80.43.214.156
Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 06:48 pm:   

Absolutelybloodylovedit.
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Stu (Stu)
Username: Stu

Registered: 04-2008
Posted From: 86.29.177.56
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 04:28 pm:   

So who's going to get the extended DVD version?
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.157.23.22
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 04:59 pm:   

Avatar was ok. Just every scene was one I've seen better done elsewhere.
I think films need to try and be less exciting. Exciting is a dead road. I want quiet and ordinary, specks of real wonder in my stuff.

Eric Rohmer has died, btw.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
Username: Gary_mc

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 213.219.8.243
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 05:19 pm:   

specks of real wonder

That's exactly what I got from Avatar. The ittle blod of fluid at the start, the wonder of the guy walking up in a different body, those weird flowers...
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Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston)
Username: Weber_gregston

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 194.176.105.56
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 05:24 pm:   

When the blossom was falling off the trees it was all I could do not to reach out to grab it as it fell.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.157.23.22
Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 05:29 pm:   

It's just me, I think. I just felt largely flat watching it, felt myself willing myself to be amazed. I've been somehow nuetered of the ability to be moved by most images these days. Last thing that did fire my imagination was a girl in a french film finding a and reading a notebook in a house she was temporarily living in.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.157.23.22
Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 07:40 am:   

Surely this has happened because of curiosity -
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100124/ten-uk-boxoffice-5fdf947.html
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Hubert (Hubert)
Username: Hubert

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 78.21.23.250
Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 08:29 am:   

I'm sure there will be sequels.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
Username: Protodroid

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 147.252.230.141
Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 11:21 am:   

Quantity. When will we tire of it?
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Stephen Walsh (Stephenw)
Username: Stephenw

Registered: 03-2009
Posted From: 82.17.252.126
Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 02:37 pm:   

I'm with Tony... the more I think back on 'Avatar' and the wow factor diminishes the more ordinary and uninspired it seems.

Special effects should NEVER be the raison d'être for any movie.
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Tony (Tony)
Username: Tony

Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 81.157.23.22
Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 03:17 pm:   

I didn't hate or dislike Avatar at all, that's the thing. It was quite beautiful to look at, I agree, but never felt it was reaching anywhere new for my imagination, stirring up emotions i've not felt before. That's what I look for in anything, to be honest - new feelings. I've just watched five minutes of one of those Chabrol movies and my brainy juices were flowing more than they did at this.
Poor Avatar. And I like daft stuff. Maybe it's the fuss over it I'm resenting? Revenge of the Sith was better than it by miles, I think (and to everyone else here no need to respond to that, me being the only person in the universe to like it and all (and honestly, I don't think the effects were motivation behind it).).

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