| Author | Message | ||
     Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
If you are one of those writers who has been published at least once in the nine editions of ‘Nemonymous’ or who has at least one story subject to my on-line real-time reviewing between November 2008 and April 2011... you will be interested in these submission guidelines for a new anthology: http://nullimmortalis.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/the-horror-anthology-of-horror-an thologies/ | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
I thought the eligibility conditions were better than 'invitation only' - more random, more synchronous, more liable to serendipity - and all eligible names (so far) are listed as appendices to the guidelines. I was amazed how many and who! | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 92.12.175.253 |
As one of the friends of Mike Santini, I will certainly be submitting Des. just give me a while to give this some thought... Cheers Terry | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
"Each story must feature in some way a book that is a Horror anthology." What a fantastic idea, Des! I look forward to this one.  | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
Thanks, Terry & Carolinee. HAHA is going to be beeeeg! Possible cover?  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.140.190.159 |
Des - do the books in the stories have to be real ones or imagined? I'm gonna try and brew up something different and smashing for this one if I can. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.140.190.159 |
HAHA is a great, erm, acronym is it? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
ha-ha: a trench in which one side is concealed from view. Tony, I hadn't considered whether the book anthology can be imaginary, but if it works in the story, I'm sure it'll be fine. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
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| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
Actually I think the top one is better like this:  | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Des - you managed to slip in what looks to me like a genuine Stephen King autograph there!  Putting that one aside, I'm torn between your second go at the one with the strange thing in the window, and the one with the rickety wooden construction on top of the building. But, yes, I reckon the one directly above this post probably is the best. What IS that thing in the window? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Tony, Terry - I very much hope your submissions make it into HAHA. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
Thanks, Caroline. It's a sort of doll, I think. And yes that is SK's real signature - I watched him sign it. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
This sounds fascinating, Des. I'll certainly be trying to come up with something suitable. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
To be honest, were it not for the problems with including a Stephen King signature, I'd say that the very first cover is my favourite. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.169.221.73 |
Thanks for the interest so far. I'm in two minds about the cover with the inferred shop selling only horror anthologies...! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.153.237.162 |
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| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
That's genius. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.140.190.159 |
Best one, Des! It refers to that thing you picked up on that Joel said, about covers of books trying to look 'distressed', only to the max! Excellent. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.140.190.159 |
However the seventies-ish typeface of the cover with the Stephen King signature might be even better! | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>That's genius. >>Best one, Des! Thirded! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.153.237.162 |
Thanks, & Alternative for Tony:  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Mmm...it's a bit crude.  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Bugger! You fixed it...all I saw was that ropey "your image here" thing. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.140.190.159 |
Des - speaking as an artist, ahem - that typo is just a smidge too far! The first had a sort of Denis Gifford feel to it. I can't explain it!!! I also pictured a ripped crinkly edge down the spine, with a hint of lurid artwork - or is that going too far? (actually I think it would be...) | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.153.237.162 |
typo? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.153.237.162 |
This seems like publishing a book in overseen real-time. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I can't see a typo, Des - but my eyes are all over the place at the moment (not literally!) so Tony might have spotted something which I haven't. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
I love it! | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
And now I'm put in mind of this book  , although I haven't read it. Just the distress and the title... A copy was sent to us for review when it first came out and I was working at a paper, but it wasn't one we ever got to; I know it includes an envelope bound into the novel, which must have posed some unusual difficulties when it came to printing.} | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
Ack, that's ugly. My apologies. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.153.238.54 |
I've finally got clearance to make this the most memorable Horror anthology ever. It only needs you now. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.220.6 |
I'm definitely interested in submitting to this. Just have a couple of ideas percolating...might be in the new year. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
I am thinking very hard. I have hints of ideas. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
My story has very little horror in it so far.  Enjoying writing it very much though... in fact I'm writing it faster than anything I've ever done. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
Traffic lights!   | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.202.203 |
Damn! Couldn't sleep for thinking about the story last night - never done that before. If I'm right I could be finished the first draft today. It's great when you feel in a trough but then suddenly something clicks and you want to sing about it from the rooftops. Watch it suck now. Anyway, the thoughts we have in the night, eh? What a crazy place that is, for the mind. It's like having a foot in dreams, that pure power they have. I hope I manage to tap back in today. Ha - why do you lot want to know any of this stuff - you already do! | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 212.219.63.204 |
Tony A similar thing happened to me about 18 months ago when a novel seemed to erupt into my mind complete with plot characters, beginning, middle and end. I started writing it on a train in Fance on August 5th 2009 and it was accepted by Eibonvale in that December! it does happen and for me, it is so rare as to be almost nonexistant. Oh, its called "Bloody War" and will be out soon. Cheers Tel | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.131.108.22 |
This is why I can't just sit and write without an idea. I really need to 'feel' it. That's not set in stone, as some stories can really grow from a couple of words, but generally I'd rather just think and do day-to-day stuff and wait for the inspiration to hit me. Well done on that sale, btw! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Just bumping this so I can find it again... | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.31.202.102 |
You can't find your arse with both hands . . . | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Well, it's a damn sight easier than finding a specific one of Des's gazillion different websites... ;-) | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.98.68 |
This now has the beginnings of a dedicated website. http://horroranthology.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.98.68 |
PS: In case they don't know, please tell others if they are eligible to submit. But I bet you won't if you are! | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Would you turn me away from even consideration, if I submitted something, Des...? I'd sure like to be inspired to write some prose again. Tell you what - you can just be polite to fob me off, and so respond: Sure, Craig!  | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.98.68 |
Any RCMBer will be eligible with proof of membership. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.98.68 |
i.e proof of a membership of RCMB that prevailed before today! | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Cool! I'm inspired now! And I'm sure Gary will supply any proof you need I actually exist here, and have existed before today....  | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.56 |
Hi Craig, who are you? Are you new here? Never seen you before. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
WEBER!!!!!!!! Gosh darn you! | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.250.91 |
I'm a Craig sceptic. We need to question the official version of Craig. There are too many details that don't add up. Why should we believe he isn't a cyber-construct invented by Weber with help from Gary? His supposed surname, Schwartz, means 'black', implying absence. And there's no 'Craig does not exist' thread on the RCMB, which strongly suggests that all such threads have been deleted to conceal the truth. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.26.202.244 |
I deny any knowledge of anything. Just to be on the safe side. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
As compelling as those arguments are, Joel, I'm still pretty certain I independently exist. Otherwise, how would I be certain I independently exist? | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Ah, but you're the only one who's certain, Craig. The rest of us simply don't know for sure one way or the other ...  | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Question, Des: It says in your guidelines, "PLEASE BE ORIGINAL WITH USE OF THE HORROR ANTHOLOGY BOOK WITHIN THE PLOT" - do you mean, the horror anthology in the story is a "made up" horror anthology; or are existing horror anthologies allowed, and you're encouraging us to be "original" with how we use them within a story?... me somewhat confused there.... Caroline - trust me, if I didn't exist? Someone would have had to invent me.... | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.98.68 |
Hi, Craig, Good question. Be original with the 'use' of the book. There seems to be set formulae for books found within Horror story plots. I'd like writers to try to transcend those formulae. However, if it's a good story it's a good story however the 'book' is used within the story's plot. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.176.38 |
Be warned, however, that by-laws may prohibit the procurement of a horror anthology for any purpose other than reading it. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.36.17 |
Can those eligible to submit to The HA of HA please let me know if they intend to submit a story before the deadline? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
I do, Des... it's in May, right?... | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 212.219.63.204 |
I am on the last lap of editing my submission Des. Regads Terry | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.36.17 |
Thanks for response so far. The HA of HA will be a horror anthology of horror anthologies, whereby it will magick forth meta-fictionally beyond the reach of any surrogate kindling. A low wall and ditch against any electronic encroachment sliding towards tangible books – but pragmatically using the same electronic media parthenogenetically to create itself in tangible book form. A dam or bulwark against the very power that allows it to frankenstein itself into being as that same dam or bulwark. But, above all, it will be a horror anthology, one about horror anthologies. My ambition is to make it the greatest horror anthology ever. Aim high, strike higher. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Aim high, strike higher. Hear-hear. Des, my submission fits right in with that description - it's the oddest (and scariest, to me) thing I've ever written.  | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
I intend to submit something, Des- it's taking nebulous shape in my brain... | ||
| Mark West (Mark_west) Username: Mark_west Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.39.177.173 |
I intend to as well, Des | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.48.210 |
I intend to submit something. Will my intentions come to nought? Who knows? Oh, and do we get RCMB Proof of Membership cards or some such? | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.153.151.150 |
I'm done! | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Damn you, Tony. Me, I intend to start mine this weekend... as with Simon, "it's taking nebulous shape in my brain" too... well, not the SAME idea, I hope... that would be kinda creepy, and unseemly... | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 12.165.240.116 |
Des, I hadn't intended to submit anything, but I got an idea this weekend that seems like it might be a good fit, so I guess I'll give it a shot after all ... | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
Des, you'll be happy to know that I've finally made some headway on a story for this anthology. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
Des, I wanted to ask this at the HA of HA site, but commenting appears disabled: How flexible are you with respect to word count? I have something I think you'd like, but it runs only 1000 words. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.39.12 |
Please try me with it. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
Will do. Thanks, Des. You've always been one of the most approachable editors. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.99.210 |
(Thanks, Jamie.) Last reminder. Deadline 30 May. You don't not want to be in the HA of HA! http://horroranthology.wordpress.com/ All RCMB members welcome to submit. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
Oh, I didn't realise we were all eligible to submit. May see if I can come up with something before the deadline. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.99.210 |
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 05:14 pm: Any RCMBer will be eligible with proof of membership. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
You need to include a certificate signed by the moderator. He takes bribes. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
But... but I already have my brand from the initiation ceremony... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.142.192.37 |
I'm getting anxious - Des has had mine for ages... :s | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.37.206 |
Tony, the deadline is the end of this month, so I suspect Des is waiting to see what else comes in. Some editors fill up the book as they go along and have very little space left by the time the deadline arrives, others wait until the deadline and then assess everything on an equal basis. Most probably mix the two strategies. When I've been involved in editing an anthology or magazine there have usually been three piles of read submissions: 'Yes', 'No' and 'Maybe'. The 'Yes' pile being quite small until the last minute. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.143.99.210 |
Yes, thanks, Joel, I use the 'two strategies' method. I do reject the 'no' pile as and when they arise. And saying 'no' however has no reflection on the quality of the story but on the suitability for the anthology I'm (gradually) envisaging. Items inthe 'maybe' pile may change to 'no or 'yes' with the developing 'gestalt' that is finally crystallised some time after the deadline. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
In other words, Tony, you haven't been rejected. So now you can feel even more anxious. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Anxiety is a pre-requisite for good writing. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
And for bad writing, I reckon. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Yes, but one can also do bad wiriting without anxiety. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Is that the same as saying that good writing is about things which cause us anxiety? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Good point. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
As the man said, happiness writes white on the page. Can we think of any truly happy authors who did great work? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Gary, do you mean happy as a constant, or happy as in had an overall happy life? Because from what little I know of our landlord, he seems enviably happy: content, confident, blessed in many ways. He may not always have had that happy life, but then again, which definition of happy do you mean? Reading Shakespeare, you can only surmise he must have been at least temporally "truly happy" when he wrote some of those plays—but do we need to believe he was "truly UNhappy" to write what he did?... | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
I suppose the nature of the human condition - if taken at face value - conspires against anyone being happy. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>Because from what little I know of our landlord, he seems enviably happy: content, confident, blessed in many ways. It's a facade. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Or maybe I should write: "It's a facade." It's a direct quotation. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
I agree with you Des. Absolutely. But I don't agree with you, Gary. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
I haven't even made any assertions. I asked questions in invitational mood. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.7.180 |
There's a difference between finding, or building, happiness in your circumstances and being contented at a deeper level – creativity feeds on fairly deep anxieties and submerged traumas that do not go away. I'm reminded of something Leonard Cohen said on stage in the 1980s: "Thank you. I appreciate your applause. But you know, it doesn't help." | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Ha, love that. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
I think creativity is an attempt to heal ourselves. And if we need healing, we're broken. And if we're broken, we're unhappy. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>And if we're broken, we're unhappy.<< I agree with the rest of your comment there, Gary, but not that last bit. I reckon even the most "broken" amongst us can reach a point where we come to terms with things that have happened and reach that point of happiness again. But then I'm just an old softie at heart ...  | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.113.59 |
"Can we think of any truly happy authors who did great work?" Was Wodehouse happy? His world, at least, was cloudless. The gurgle of a china teapot. The crack of a cricket ball. The flicker of the straight razor. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>I agree with the rest of your comment there, Gary, but not that last bit. I reckon even the most "broken" amongst us can reach a point where we come to terms with things that have happened and reach that point of happiness again. I know we're not discussing the relative simiplicity of, say, repaired cars here, but surely by that stage we've healed ourselves and are no longer broken? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Proto: we've discussed Wodehouse in this context before and I think the point was made that a lot his stories are about alcoholics with commitment issues. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.95.189 |
I've read things by happy authors and been quite bored by them, but I'm sure it's not a universal truth. I think to encounter sadness and come to terms with it might lead to a more rounded author. On the whole, a little anxiety goes a long way. 'If I were a brave man I'd not be able to make the films I do' - Alfred Hitchcock. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.148 |
Ha! Yes, but was Wodehouse himself happy? I think so. He did have a bit of scrape with the nazis, but God's-buttered-crumpets if it didn't all work out in the end. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Another good related quote, I heard, from a U.S. radio talk show host of all things, but it stayed with me. "The only people I know who have no problems, are people I don't know well." I only wish Hitchcock had been too afraid to make FAMILY PLOT. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
The problem with the question at hand is: how do you define happiness? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
A warm gun. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Doing it in the road. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.26.255 |
Watching the last moon spill its guts across the sky. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.57 |
braised steak in gravy (slightly spiced with cumin and fresh chillis) | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
The smell of napalm in the morning. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Curry. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
A copy of Woman's Own, a jar of Vaseline and absolute privacy. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Liver with fava beans and a nice chianti. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Y'know, sometimes I wonder what kind of people I'm mixing with on here. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Perverts. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Speak for yourself! And for me, by the way, it's the Vaseline, the privacy, and Sarah Palin. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Depravity. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.29.4 |
Waking up to realise these years really were just a dream and I have returned to my hedgehog life... in a forest world without roads or traffic... and although the long sleep is over the hibernation period can continue for a little while before the duties of foraging and burrow restoration take over, but in any case no hassle is on the horizon, because in a forest you can't see the horizon, and the foliage carries the fresh aroma of rain, and there are some berries in the larder, and things are OK... | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Until some bigger hedgehog takes control of your larder, sells it off to other hedgehogs, charges you rent for living in the forest, makes you give him your berries in exchange for an arbirtrary circular bit of stuff with which you buy . . . berries, gets fat on the proceeds, starts up other larders elsewhere in the forest, and then tells you that things are like this because he's got the biggest pricks. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
I wonder what woodland creatures other members of RCMB would be? | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.242.169 |
Crickets, apparently. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.38.85 |
Gary, you missed out the part where the woodland co-operative elects representatives who receive the same berry (and acorn) wages as the creatures they represent and are subject to immediate recall if they abuse their authority, and no woodizen profits from the acorn-gathering of other woodizens, and free veterinary care is available to all, and all creatures benefit through the vastly increased productivity and reduced environmental damage resulting from the absence of wasteful and destructive competition and exploitation. And the weasels have a support group. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
I was right about the pricks, though. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
But what about when the lazy hedgehogs realise that no matter how hard they work, they'll get the same rewards as the productive hedgehogs so they start slowing down, making the productive hedgehogs feel put upon and angry that they're doing the majority of the work for the same reward as the lazy hogs who are doing nothing. Pretty soon they get disinterested in doing the work because the reward share is so unfair and they drop their productivity so the work just doesn't get done. There isn't enough food as a result and they split into factions and wars break out over the meagre food supply. As a result of this, greedy food tsars appear holding supplies to ransom and the whole capitalist system starts again but with everyone a step lower down the ladder than they started on (except for the greedy tyrants who now rule with an iron prick) | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
Have we drifted off topic? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
What about the Hedgefund-hogs? The biggest pricks of all! | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Lord and Lady P- except for yourselves, who are surely foxes! (Cue the inevitable lines about the foxiness of Lady P!) | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
As I said, perverts. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.242.169 |
Actually, I'm a creation of the Transmutatron, so I'm made up of several woodland creatures. Rowr! | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.132.248.125 |
I think that what you do in your privet time should be your own business. | ||
| Simon Bestwick (Simon_b) Username: Simon_b Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 86.24.209.217 |
Absolutely, John- What happens in the woods, stays in the woods. In shallow, unmarked graves. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.47 |
I think I'm one of the few people who got Kate's reference... hello Animalia | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>I wonder what woodland creatures other members of RCMB would be?<< I'd be a squirrel - 'cos I'm nuts. I hope Des doesn't object to what we've done with his HAHA thread. I would imagine that Des probably finds this kind of descent into insanity on a thread quite amusing, do you Des? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Yep, better than planking. | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.242.169 |
@Weber: | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
The submission period is now over. Now the book itself is under construction: http://horroranthology.wordpress.com/ literally | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.155.107.43 |
Authors names - as and when agreed - whose stories are to be included in the HA of HA are shown in top post of the HA of HA site. http://horroranthology.wordpress.com/ | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.95.140 |
I'm doing a little dance now - three times in a row I've got in now! Thank you, Des, for these fantastic chances. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.108.218 |
Congratulations, Tony. I've seen a brief list of the contibutors and it looks like a good one. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
I thought some here would like a glimpse of the forthcoming contents list for THE HORROR ANTHOLOGY OF HORROR ANTHOLOGIES (each story *about* a Horror Anthology book): http://horroranthology.wordpress.com/contents-list/ | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.169.240 |
Sh*t - looking at the list and the fact that Zed's been here on the board and not GF - does that mean one of them didn't make it? Zed said his tale was good, the scariest thing he'd done. A genuine | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
Both Garies' tales were great, Tony. Sorry to let them go for no other reason than I had to let a lot of great tales go. Spoilt for choice. Spotlit for gestalt. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Tony - congrats. Don't feel bad - I don't. My story's good enough (one of my best, in fact) to find a home. Rejection is all part of the game, mate. | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.228.39.43 |
Des, I never received acknowledgement or rejection for my submission (sent 5/29). (Your TOC looks very good, though.) I sent a follow-up email to the same address yesterday morning and still got nothing. Perhaps my communications aren't getting through? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
I can't remember it, Chris, but that proves nothing - with my memory! Did I acknowledge it? (I acknowledged all submissions). If I didn't, then it sounds if it didn't get through. If I did, I apologise for my inefficiency in then losing it! | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.228.39.43 |
I received no acknowledgment. I sent the MS to dflewis48@hotmail.com on 5/29. (The address was on your HA of HA WordPress page.) Yesterday's follow-up email was sent to the same address. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
That's the correct address. I'm afraid I seem to have received neither. I wonder how many other great stories I missed reading! I sincerely hope you can place it elsewhere, Chris. des | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.228.39.43 |
Ah, heck. How disappointing. Thanks anyway, Des. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
Chris, send it to another address if you want me to read it. bfitzworth@yahoo.co.uk I'll be honest as to whether I might have accepted it. I'm already well over the wordcount I first anticipated, btw, so there's no realistic way I shall be able to accept it even if it's a star turn (which it probably is). | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.228.39.43 |
Thanks, Des. I very much doubt it's a star turn --ha!-- but I did work quite hard on it, actually. I've sent it to your yahoo address. Please let me down easy, eh? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
Received it! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.89.15.236 |
>>>Both Garies' tales were great, Tony. Sorry to let them go for no other reason than I had to let a lot of great tales go. Spoilt for choice. Spotlit for gestalt What Des means, Tony, is that if he had included my story, it would have made all the others look terrible, so in the interest of "Gestalt", he decided not to. So don't worry about it, old chap. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
Chris, I replied. I hope you got it. | ||
| Chris_morris (Chris_morris) Username: Chris_morris Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 71.228.39.43 |
I did indeed, Des -- thanks very much! I am honored to be in such company. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
Chris, It is not only a great story, it fits in with the rest of the contents perfectly. A double whammy. I couldn't resist it, especially as you had submitted it before the deadline. | ||
| Rhysaurus (Rhysaurus) Username: Rhysaurus Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 212.219.233.223 |
Rejections are definitely very much part of the game (as Zed says) however successful you are... I still rankle, however, at not being invited to submit anything for the Songs of the Dying Earth Jack Vance tribute volume that came out a few years ago. Other missed chances don't rankle much really; but that one does. The boat sailed and I missed it, but even if I had turned up at the quayside early the captain still wouldn't have allowed me on board... I wonder if it's possible to stowaway inside anthologies the same way one can hide on a ship? If so, how? Anyway, I'm delighted and surprised to be included in the ToC for the HaHa anthology, especially as I had two attempts and my first attempt blatantly betrayed the fact that I hadn't read the guidelines properly. That was very bad form of me and I'm ashamed to admit it now. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Rhys - if I were you I'd become a literary pirate. My own secret Welsh pirate alias, the Black Daffodil, kidnapped a young lady writer a couple of years ago during one of my daring raids and now she sails with me over the Seas of Silliness, across the Oceans of Daftness and occasionally up the Straits of 'Oops-Pardone'. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.187 |
I wonder if it's possible to stowaway inside anthologies the same way one can hide on a ship? If so, how? ============== Well,Rhys, in the first three issues of NEMONYMOUS (2001 - 2003) your stories appeared with you hidden underneath the word-sacks...only to reveal yourself six months later. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
I wish I had gotten my act together to actually write something.... My consolation is, I wasn't rejected.  I'll bet it's gonna be a great antho, Des, so I'll make the extra effort to secure this one. Hell, a new Tony tale alone is reason to buy! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.169.240 |
Craig - you read my story! You helped me get it right. But buy it still - I'll even sign it if you like! I wish you'd gotten in, too. I'm quite pleased this year, both stories I subbed to places got in. And yet, I'm in a dip now after quite a busy writing patch. But hey ho - it's all part of the process. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.126.164.88 |
Oh, right - I didn't realize that was the story for this antho, Tony - awesome! Des's concept is unique and fascinating: really stokes the desire to see what the writers actually did with it.... | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.169.240 |
I'm just so thrilled I got in. Thing is, I often have a feeling about which of my work Des will go for and I was right about this one, too. It's like turning a dial on an old radio, knowing when the hiss has gone. You know, the doubts were trying to nay-say, but my gut kept saying otherwise. I'm rarely happy with my stuff but I liked this one, whatever happened to it. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Ah...I remember that: the joy of an acceptance. Treasure it, Tony, hold it close. It'll fade before long and these things will turn into just another acceptance/rejection. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.169.240 |
My next step is to try and sub to people I don't know a bit, who don't 'get' my stuff. It might mean writing differently, which is scary. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.89.15.206 |
Well done, Tony. Keep at it. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.28.85 |
"Ah...I remember that: the joy of an acceptance. Treasure it, Tony, hold it close. It'll fade before long and these things will turn into just another acceptance/rejection." That still hasn't happened to me in thirty years of writing. If I care about the targeted anthology/magazine then I'm still walking on air for days, or at least hours, following an acceptance. My creative and personal confidence both increase for a week or so. I really don't know if that fact is nice or just pathetic. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.108.218 |
That's interesting, Joel. And heart-warming. On the flip-side, do rejections (if you ever get them still) affect your confidence for a short while? Or is it just the positivity that leaves its mark? | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.28.85 |
Let's not go there. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.108.218 |
Righto. Sorry. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.28.85 |
Actually, Stevie, it depends on the context. Not getting into a book/magazine because they have too much better stuff doesn't put me off at all, it just makes me want to do better. Having a story rejected because the editor doesn't share my sense of how stories work (as with a US magazine whose editor said "I suggest you go through your story and delete every sentence that doesn't push the plot forward") makes me glad I still have the story to do something better with. But some rejections are depressing. Around 1990 I sent two stories (both set in the near future, but otherwise unrelated) to an SF magazine, the second following the rejection of the first, and the editor commented the second time: "I see you've changed the title, but I still don't like the story." Linking to another current thread, I would say it's not unlike sexual rejection: "You're sweet, but you're not my type" is easier to hear than "Do I look like I have a thing for pond life?" | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.144.33.42 |
Thanx Joel... | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.108.218 |
Thanks, Joel. | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.108.218 |
Oops, crossed post. Sorry, Weber. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.144.33.42 |
It's OK Steve. I'm still trying to work out if Joel was comparing me with pond life... | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.28.224 |
Hi Weber. Sorry, I didn't mean you – I was referring to the ensuing discussion on sexual rejection in general. But I shouldn't have referred to the thread in such a jocular manner. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.144.33.42 |
I was only kidding | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.157.26.75 |
This book is due to be published at the beginning of July. At first, orders will be to me direct. Any image of the book should be avoided on the internet until the book is available on Amazon etc. which should be later in the year. Review copies will be issued on this understanding. The book direct from myself will be costed in GBP, i.e. a total of £10.50 UK, £12 air mail other EU, £13.50 air mail elsewhere, by PayPal. 324 pages, perfect-bound paperback. 114,000 words. Twenty original stories (see contents list on the ha of ha site) Three photo-images by Tony Lovell (including front and back cover). It will cost nothing extra at this stage to have it signed by the editor and author of ‘Nemonymous Night’. des (dflewis48@hotmail.com) | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.165.37.175 |
Amazon.com have just put up their sales page: http://www.amazon.com/Horror-Anthology-Anthologies/dp/1447757351/  © Tony Lovell | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.236.243 |
It appears you can currently obtain the HA of HA postage free here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Horror-Anthology-Anthologies/dp/1447757351/ This is an enormous bargain, I reckon, for this large anthology of stories. Just £10. | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.196.50.241 |
You make it sound like the anthology has obtained some sort of self awareness and is now spreading across the internet and the world, seemingly coming up with its own bargains. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
Your point being? | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.196.50.241 |
Because Des wrote 'it appears', and I am assuming that Amazon makes these offers as an extension of their own marketing, and not an offer from Des himself, hence I was just jesting with the Antho spreading, and doing everything possible to reach as far and wide as possible | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.196.50.241 |
Or maybe this should be filed under the ongoing ebook debate? | ||
| Karim Ghahwagi (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 80.196.50.241 |
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| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>You make it sound like the anthology has obtained some sort of self awareness and is now spreading across the internet and the world ..<< As it's been created by Des and the authors contained within its pages, it probably is! It will have taken on a life of its own. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.236.243 |
It's spreading like Bird Flu. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 2.24.14.50 |
Sorry Karim, I was being playful but the Internet flattens out irony like West Midland vowels. Just trying to suggest that you'd seen what the book is really doing! | ||
| Karim (Karim) Username: Karim Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 193.89.189.24 |
haha-OK- (or the ha of ha) I was wondering, maybe Joel wants to debate this... | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.159.146.177 |
Grateful for some feedback - now that the HA of HA is on Amazon.co.uk (and it seems to be selling well there) - I did a test run and bought a copy myself. It was very speedy and postage was free. But the strange thing this book (using Lulu) has now got better quality paper (or so it seems) and has "Printed by Amazon.co.uk" on the last page. Is this normal? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.159.146.177 |
This has been selling like hot-cakes on Amazon co.uk! | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.159.146.177 |
....BTW, prices designed by me only to cover my production and story-purchases. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.159.146.177 |
But don't buy them with a 50% + mark-up (!) here presumably, as only £10 (inclusive of postage) on Amazon. This is a new ganme for me. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.131.175.130 |
I am pleased to report that here: http://ellen-datlow.livejournal.com/tag/honorable%20mentions%202011 Ellen Datlow's Honourable Mentions from 'The Horror Anthology of Horror Anthologies' are the stories by: Colin Insole, Rachel Kendall, Joel Lane, E. Michael Lewis, David Mathew, Mike O'Driscoll, Reggie Oliver. Congratulations! | ||
| Stephen Theaker (Stephen_theaker) Username: Stephen_theaker Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 82.35.230.207 |
"But the strange thing this book (using Lulu) has now got better quality paper (or so it seems) and has "Printed by Amazon.co.uk" on the last page. Is this normal?" Sorry, didn't notice this before - yes, Lulu don't do the printing themselves, but have deals with different POD printers depending on where the book is bought, what format it is, etc. So UK orders of TQF placed directly with Lulu are fulfilled by Antony Rowe (at present), but copies bought by US customers would probably come from a US printer. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 81.131.175.130 |
Thanks, Stephen. Actually, I must say I'm impressed with Lulu in many aspects, e.g. from the various copies of the HA of HA I've seen, and from the two separate editions of TQF I bought. And its interface with Amazon is brilliant. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Fantastic news about the "honourable mentions", Des - richly deserved as it's a fabulous anthology! | ||
| Steve Bacon (Stevebacon) Username: Stevebacon Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 90.209.11.130 |
Yes, I enjoyed all the stories in the book, too. Congrats to everyone involved. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.151.109.99 |
A new review of 'The Horror Anthology of Horror Anthologies': http://odiousghosts.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/88/ | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.140.213.156 |
The Horror Anthology of Horror Anthologies (2011) - This is still the case. But does anyone know if any anthology has since come close? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.145.209.194 |
The only reasonable answer to that question is 'Wut?!?' | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.140.212.104 |
From a participant on the All Hallows’ discussion forum about THE HORROR ANTHOLOGY OF HORROR ANTHOLOGIES: “Thank you, Des. Reading your “Director’s Commentary” of The HA of HA reminded me what a great collection it is. I like the creative range of interpretation of “horror anthology;” I found the entries from Insole, Daniel Ausema, and Reggie Oliver especially imaginative in that regard.” It is still selling slowly. |