| Author | Message | ||
     Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Intriguing (and worrying) new internet craze. Everyone has their own personal LAST BALCONY, I guess. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I saw this for the first time on the News this morning, due to that poor guy falling off the balcony. Every time I think the human race can't get any more imbecilic (Jedward, etc.) something like this comes along that redefines all the boundaries. What kind of idiots are these people?!?!  | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Thick as two. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Well, Jedward is a different kettle of fish. Actually their song on the Eurovision Song Contest on Saturday was very well staged and should have won. PLANKING - I agree - it is difficult to get a hold on this matter. Bizarrely interesting as a case-study as well as tragic. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Jedward are setting the popular conception of the Irish male back hundreds of years imo, Des. But this planking thing... fuck me! | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.242.169 |
Planking = Natural Selection | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.148 |
"Jedward are setting the popular conception of the Irish male back hundreds of years imo, Des." Who thinks that anyone in the early 19th century resembled Jedward? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.148 |
"Planking = Natural Selection" That's pretty harsh. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
I prefer the more worrying / exciting trend of people balancing themselves on narrow objects while playing the piano badly at the same, otherwise known as Plinky-Planking. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I believe I just pissed myself. | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Or going round the world doing it. The highlight of course would of course be Nanking Planking | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
Oh, Gary... This isn't an old folks' home you know | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
>>This isn't an old folks' home you know<< Oh damn. Now he tells me.  But seriously, this planking thing ... human beings are very strange animals IMO. Why on earth would anyone want to do that? Is it one of those macho male things that us females can't understand? Slightly OT I came across a news report elsewhere yesterday where a passer-by had actually pushed a suicidal jumper off a bridge - think it was in Japan or somewhere like that. Couldn't believe my eyes! PS: I had no idea Jedward were Irish. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Eric Sykes, Tommy Cooper etc: THE PLANK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R75WrhG4T54&feature=related | ||
| John Llewellyn Probert (John_l_probert) Username: John_l_probert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.253.174.81 |
PS: I had no idea Jedward were Irish. Neither did we until Friday night when for Kate's birthday she was treated to half an hour of OKTV with the benefit of my slightly metrosexual running commentary on the latest celeb gossip | ||
| Kate (Kathleen) Username: Kathleen Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 86.142.242.169 |
The gift that keeps on giving...  | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
Happy birthday, Kate! Re planking - I actually have an idea or two. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.255.178 |
"But seriously, this planking thing ... human beings are very strange animals IMO. Why on earth would anyone want to do that? Is it one of those macho male things that us females can't understand?" Yes. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.255.178 |
I spotted a naval ship off the coast this weekend. My overwhelming impulse was to storm it. Take a small boat over and storm it. I don't even know what that means, really. It's genetic. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
metrosexual running commentary on the latest celeb gossip ============== It's important indeed to keep up to speed - as Huhne must know - with such streaming of Big Brother, Corrie... as I do, too. | ||
| Jamie Rosen (Jamie) Username: Jamie Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 99.241.220.139 |
It's the 21st century's pole-sitting. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.206.254 |
Des - I LOVED that Jedward song! It didn't seem fair that such a huge leap into relative quality for the boys should go so unnoticed. I thought it was a fantastic, eye-and-mind-boggling performance. I have to say the whole venue reminded me of the TARDIS. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.206.254 |
In fact I have a new-found fondness for Jedward. Such innocence, such determination. The essence of spring, green shoots. It doesn't hardly matter they haven't much natural talent or insight. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
That Eurovision Song Contest production overall was everything you say it was, Tony. A highlight of the year. seriously. Jedward especially. I liked particularly France and Greece. But most were stunning. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.206.254 |
It Was! Last year's was good, too. Lena's song Satellite is excellent, though her new one was too intimate for a stadium - it sounds great through speakers. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.155.206.254 |
Ha - the France chap was a touch Visconti, wasn't he?  I quite liked that first song, the huge earth rising up behind him. And those folk with the wigs. But yes, much of it was excellent. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.18.105 |
Jedward celebrating getting 12 points. Norton: "Thank you, Denmark. Where ever you are." | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
Proto, I think Norton implied Jedward didn't know where Denmark was, not that he didn't. He also said that Jedward's performance was very Gilbert & George. I thought it was more Talking Heads / Andy Warhol. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
[Talking about the Eurovision Song Contest is a bit like Planking, I suppose. Balconying rather than grandstanding.] | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.18.105 |
"Proto, I think Norton implied Jedward didn't know where Denmark was, not that he didn't." Oh sure, I got that. I actually don't think Jedward really knew quite where they were. ("Is this what abroad looks like?") I still think there's only one of them and a mirror. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.18.105 |
Justin Bieber got there first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFVkHLT4wlI | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 82.6.90.22 |
Sorry Des, Jedward were, I believe, gentically designed to irritate me in every way possible. Someone took the trouble to find out exactly what would grate, abrade and set my teeth on edge and in their secret lab, created those two little boys wth their strange hair styles for that specific purpose. As a final twist to their evil plot they entered them into that other Grimwood-annoying event of all Grimwood-annoying events and sat back to watch what would happen... Final cheerful thought, I suppose those who practice planking are plankers, or something very similar. Yours cumudgeonly Grimwood | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.4.19.77 |
Des, take that back!!!! The day I see any similarity between Jedward and Talking Heads (the greatest band the world has ever seen, including The Beatles [whom I love]) is the day I put a gun to my head and say "Goodbye, cruel world"!!!! Never, ever mention musical genius and fecking Jedward in the same time zone, nevermind the same sentence, again! Please God, just for me.. gibber... | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.4.19.77 |
I mean there's postmodernism and there's just plain taking the piss!!!!  | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
The excellent staging was very talking heads, I felt. And Jedward were very well rehearsed (and dare I xsay - as shown by this example - talented?) and the song itself had a strong hook. What more could one ask for? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
And you have no time for Liszt?! You've lost the plot, mate. >>>What more could one ask for? A live beheading would have been nice. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>In fact I have a new-found fondness for Jedward. Such innocence, such determination. The essence of spring, green shoots. AKA "I want money and attention and I know how to get it." | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.168.21.43 |
I'm eclectic as well as catholic in my tastss. Liszt is growing on me. Beethoven grows within me. Lost the plot? Well, I've lost the linear plot, but discovered a new buried canal I'm trying to un-lock. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Far canal. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
I can't believe some people here actually watched the Eurovision Contest. For sheer idiocy . . . I don't even know who the winner was, let alone who 'sang' for Belgium. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
On an entirely more positive note, I recently heard Ravel's piano piece "Forlane" from the Tombeau de Couperin suite for the first time and was strangely moved. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.178.81.136 |
Why 'strangely', Hubert? I find huge swathes of music moving. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Shouldn't this thread be locked for even mentioning Jedward. And don't tell me I'm an old fart out of touch with the youth of today...shite is shite...(this is my one obstinate based statement of the day which eschews the possibility of a debatable grey area concerning those examples of how low commercial music standards have dropped)... Then again, Mr Blobby was a good indicator of the nature of the commercial music industry in Britain. (: | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.43 |
Not only that, those who claim that Jedward have even one ounce of talent between them need to be forcibly restrained for their own safety as their sanity is seriously under question. As you say Frank, Shite is Shite. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
Mick, it just doesn't happen that often anymore that I relate to a piece of music directly, i.e. on a visceral level, without hearing intervals, rhythmic development etc. And even then I wonder whether the 'goosebumps' aren't based on some unexplored relationship between sound frequency and the human body. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
I'd never seen Jedward before Saturday night. If that performance ALONE is to be judged - either they are talented or the people around them are talented (or both these options). I've not checked to see who mentioned Jedward first on this thread, but I think it was a tempting balancing-act for discursive planking with! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
It seems it's big club, the Hating Jedward club; http://queerid.com/topic.aspx?topicid=27755 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23891987-baa-apologise-to-jedward -for-bullying-at-heathrow.do http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/11/15/bullies-hung-jedward-from-window- 115875-21822039/ They have all the best wishes I can muster, and all my sympathy. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Interview snippet; 'This brings us back to the subject of John and Edward’s grandfather, who always was, as Edward said at the start of this interview, a huge inspiration to them both. He obviously still is. “Yeah, absolutely,” Edwards muses. “And I miss him because he really was such an innocent person. Yet the thing is we never even got time to mourn for him because we were away when he died, came home for the funeral and have been on the go ever since.” “I feel he still lives on,” says John. “And I can’t accept he’s dead,” adds Edward. “I just think he is hiding and going to come back, at any minute, out of nowhere! But our granny is still alive and now I spend loads of time with her because, when she dies, I don’t want to be left thinking that I didn’t, when I could have.” As you can tell, these guys are not empty vessels, or anybody’s fools.' | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Oh, come on, Tony. Reserve your sympathies for the truly deserving. These guys are just mogul puppets who know the right buttons to press. I'm not saying they're worthy of serious dislike. To be honest, I'm completely indifferent to them. But I do regard them as a suspicious distraction, the society of the spectacle in full throttle. I would say your last comment here demonstrates that. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I've not checked to see who mentioned Jedward first on this thread It was me, Des, as an example of the imbecilic levels to which the human race has descended in this age of "celebrity culture". I don't hate them as people, or any celebrities, but loathe what they represent. I do despise the likes of Simon Cowell & Louis Walsh, however. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>as an example of the imbecilic levels to which the human race has descended in this age of "celebrity culture". Well, you are talking about them. Just ignore them. They might go away. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 92.5.47.97 |
Forgive me, Tony, but for my taste the interview snippet sounds too much like the tear-jerking back story every X Factor contestant seems to find essential (or, to be fair, the programme makers do). Imagine including (let's say) details of one's nightmare childhood with every short story submitted to a market, as a means of winning the editor's favour. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>Yet the thing is we never even got time to mourn for him because we were away when he died, came home for the funeral and have been on the go ever since On the go where, btw? In X-Factor boot camp, perhaps? On tour? | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>But our granny is still alive and now I spend loads of time with her because, when she dies, I don’t want to be left thinking that I didn’t, when I could have Er, this is their reason for spending time with her? What about knowing she's taking pleasure from their company? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. But that whole quotation reeks of narcissism. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Imagine including (let's say) details of one's nightmare childhood with every short story submitted to a market, as a means of winning the editor's favour. Oh, I do that all the time...sadly, it never works. I remember saying to my dead gran that one time, after we were forced to eat her flesh due to being trapped down in that collapsed mine: "One day, gran," I said. "We'll all laugh about this." But we never did. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Well, she appeared to, but then you realised you'd taken most of the meat from around her mouth. It's good tucker, that. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.33.90 |
"What about knowing she's taking pleasure from their company?" I think that's implied. It would be an uncharitable interpretation of that quote to assume otherwise. I don't think that they're particularly good or bad, but we seem compelled to have an opinion on everything these days. I've been indifferent to them ever since they first sprung from Louis Walsh's ovaries more than a year ago. I'm glad I saved all that thinking energy. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.33.90 |
"Well, she appeared to, but then you realised you'd taken most of the meat from around her mouth." That was the best short story I've read all year. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
I meant it tongue in cheek. Her tongue in Zed's cheek. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
I always did like a bit of tongue. The bit that got stuck between my front teeth. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Oh, I always go OTT when I sniff an underdog, sorry folks. I feel sorry for these guys, am not particulalry into their music. They're real outsider types trying to be insiders and that always touches me. I seriously don't think they're in it for the money. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.43 |
They do those travel adverts for the love of it? They deserve to be shot even more then. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Oh man, Weber. Let them make their bucks while they can, eh. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Imagine they're your kids or something. It's not like they're evil or anything. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.79.82.82 |
I think they're genetically designed for their age. They're the empty-headed, spindly-legged racehorses. Don't blame them, they're perfectly evolved for their environment - an environment that was created (and now managed) by members of an older generation - our generation. Stop criticising young people - by our actions or inactions, WE made them. (What's Jedward going to be like when they're 50?) | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
My youngest doesn't like them btw - I think kids consider them naff. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Weber, we all do things for money or for things that make us feel better. There is much hypocrisy on this thread. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Naff is one way of putting it lol. Your youngest shows profound common sense, Tony, imo. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.37 |
Two points - One - they're the product of a Simon Cowell money making factory. Therefore they are the product of evil. Two - I'm not criticising young people in general. I'm criticising Jedward - who deserve every bit of criticism they get. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.57 |
Three - why is is hypocritical to dislike a whiny pair of talentless idiots that sprang forth as the talentless ones on the worst pile of dumbed down crap on television? | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
I know very little about Jedward or Simon Cowell. Who says they range from 'whiny' to 'evil'? There are many considered great artists who were either whiny or evil. Or both. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.37 |
"I know very little about Jedward or Simon Cowell" You lucky bastard! You lucky lucky bastard! | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
I think they're genetically designed for their age. Nah, they were grown in a field. The hair is like the roots of a carrot, poking out of the earth, waiting for Farmer Cowell to come by and pluck them out. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Brilliant, John. (A fine contribution to the art of discursive planking) | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
You know that NAFF is an acronym for Not Available For Fucking (comes from that secret code language/gay slang that Kenneth Williams used to use on Round the Horn - I can never what it's called.) | ||
| Mbfg (Mbfg) Username: Mbfg Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 82.6.90.22 |
You lot do realise that we have spent more time discussing something completely worthless, repeating over and over again how worthless it is artistically, than any of us have discussed anything worthwhile on threads such as the classical music thread. Jedward have won in much the same way as the Nazi and Japanese occupied USA of Philip K Dick's "Man in the High Castle" actually won that war, because everyone just wanted to be American. Jedward just want fame, and on this thread, they've got it! Cheers Tegwood | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
It's Des and Tony's fault. They started making outlandish and downright silly claims about Jedward. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Yeah, hating them to be as controlled by the mogul puppet masters as loving them. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Nothing silly about this claim: just a personal 'aesthetic' assessment of a single fact: http://www.knibbworld.com/campbell-cgi/discus/show.cgi?tpc=1&post=75894#POST7589 4 There is much wasting of time on the internet; but i sense this thread is one of the least wasteful, considering the lessons to be drawn about prejudice as well as planking! | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
You mean it becomes prejudice because you like the image of/or sound of what they 'produce.' Dress it up however, but that seems to be the gist of the statement. Explain the prejudice and I might be able to understand. But I don't think it's prejudice. If I were to enthuse aggressively about David Cameron's policies, or the purpose of a new Big Brother series so vehemently, are they also examples of prejudice. I'm slightly bewildered by the statement, Des. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Frank, I'm talking about questioning one's prejudices. An example of one of my own prejudices is my belief that all people have their own prejudices to question and that they should be questioned by themselves and others and that they should be challenged to question them in this way. As you are rightly challenging me. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Then we could be here to eternity questioning that, for then prejudice would have taken on, for yourself, perhaps, many other variants in significance. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I am prejudiced against anything that makes me grind my teeth in annoyance, a purely instinctive reaction, and Jedward do it for me. Actually, all naff entertainment does... I don't watch any "reality" TV but can't help taking in its by-products by a process of mental osmosis - which affront to my sensibilities I find even more aggravating, which pours petrol on the flames of my prejudice. Sometimes one's prejudices are a well deserved cry of outrage from one's aesthetic psyche. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
I don't think it's prejudice. I think this is a completely erroneous use of the word. I'm not against people defending their right to like what they like, that's everybody's right, but I think it's quite disappointing that 'they' were even brought up in discussion. Terry's right. Good job Joel's not here, he'd really despair then. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>Actually, all naff entertainment does... I don't watch any "reality" TV but can't help taking in its by-products by a process of mental osmosis - which affront to my sensibilities I find even more aggravating, which pours petrol on the flames of my prejudice. I find it astonishing that people can get so worked up over so trivial an issue. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
That is part of my point, Gary, in a way. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
e.g. reacting strongly at the mention of a pop group called Jedward. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Ahhh, they've been flushed out of my system... all gone. Sorry, but shite "music", and the popularity of, is one of those things that really gets my goat. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Have you yet seen Jedward's production & performance on Saturday, Stevie? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The tiny clip I saw of them prancing about was cut short by me diving for the remote to change channels, Des. Dammit, they're back! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>Sorry, but shite "music", and the popularity of, is one of those things that really gets my goat. Well, the kids love it. We were all young once. Despite what I've said above, I also think that popular music becomes part of the fabric of our emotional lives. I still experience a warm glow of nostalgia when I hear "naff" 80s songs. And I'm aware that judging such music as a jaded adult who needs the complexities of Beethoven or Leonard Cohen or whatever does a disservice not only to our former selves but also to those who are like our former selves and who will one day become as jaded and in need of complexity as we are now. So there. Nurr, nurr, sticky bum, wash your face in cow muck. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
You can get *some* idea here: http://video.ireland.com/video/iLyROoafzlKE.html It is the semi-final performance. Not the one I saw on Saturday, but it is the same type of production as far as I recall. Very David Byrne. :0 | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.41 |
The few clips I ever saw of Jedward when they were on THAT show, they couldn't even sing in tune (or rap in tune when they tried that). The most telling comment on this thread is where tony said they "Made a huge leap into relative quality" ie he knows how shit they are and the fact that they may have just done a passable performance (do they allow miming at Eurovision?) is an huge leap. I have not seen their performance on Eurovision and I have no intention of ever doing so. They are shite. They are irritating and they seem to be in every f***ing advert break when I watch telly at the moment and they're winding me up something rotten. It's not prejudice to think that two idiots jumping about a stage barely able to hit a note is shite. It's common sense and musical taste. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Beethoven's symphonies (Pastorale is my fav), concertos (particulary the Triple) and string quartets, now you're talking. I also have a soft spot for his ballet, 'The Creatures Of Prometheus'. By heck, I needed that! | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>They are irritating and they seem to be in every f***ing advert break when I watch telly at the moment and they're winding me up something rotten. But that's like saying every time you eat toffee you lose a tooth. Don't eat fucking toffee then. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Well, the kids love it. ============== I must be in my second childhood. I'm now off to get a Beethoven Late Quartet... | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.194.205 |
"e.g. reacting strongly at the mention of a pop group called Jedward." Just as the passion of a generation has successfully been diverted away from socio-political and artistic progress, perhaps anger has also been re-directed from its constructive role towards the same trivialities, a beast prowling in a cage. Both sides are falling for it. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
Yep. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
The kids love the Doctor, too. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.51 |
Gary, are you saying I should stop watching telly just to avoid seeing that pair of idiots? I already tape most of what I watch (esp off commercial channels) so I can fast wind through the adverts. It seems like every time I'm watching "live" so to speak they appear. Like Terry, they are genetically designed to grate on every nerve ending I have. Even when I was a kid I much preferred the more sophisticated acts like Eurythmics or even the Pet Shop Boys to the Stock Aitken Waterman production factory of Kylie etc. I've never been a fan of cheesy pop. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.43 |
I'm going to see Eels in July at the Newcastle Academy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wREjT7DlI7M Now that's good music | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.30.64 |
>>>Gary, are you saying I should stop watching telly just to avoid seeing that pair of idiots? If it bothers you that much, yes. But what I'm really saying is that it shouldn't bother you that much. In the grand scheme of things. | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
Blimey! I'd never have expected Jedward to arouse such passions on the RCMB!  | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.41 |
I'm going to see Eels in July at the Newcastle Academy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wREjT7DlI7M Now that's good music | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
I enjoyed that EELS video. Thanks, Weber. A blend of ELO and Coldplay? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
The best Pop Music has innocence and exuberance inextricably linked to talent imo. For me the 1950s/early 60s was the golden era of pure Pop music. It was the Dennis Potter series 'Lipstick On Your Collar' that opened my eyes to the joy of that era's music. Of course such innocence couldn't last forever and the 60s/early 70s saw a schizophrenic battle between Pop & Rock that pushed both genres into some magical merging of styles. Bands like The Beatles, The Beach Boys, The Kinks, Creedence Clearwater Revival, David Bowie & Roxy Music remain the high-water mark of Pop/Rock for me. That's without even taking the brilliance of that era's Soul music into account - again some of the greatest Pop ever recorded, overflowing with a sense of joy and excitement that makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck every time. The punk/new wave explosion of the late 70s/early 80s was the last hurrah of truly great Pop Music and ever since (with a few laudable exceptions, particularly during the Britpop flash in the pan) it's been a downward slope of lowest common denominator plastic rubbish, based on looks and marketing over talent, that reached some sort of flat-lining nadir with the emergence and dominance of such cynical conveyor belts as 'The X Factor', 'Britain's Got Talent' (though you wouldn't know it from this bilge), etc... Morrissey was right, Pop Music is now effectively dead. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Yes, but one can't be eclectic without knowing (experiencing) from what to choose. Like 'Lipstick' on Saturday. PS: The first record I bouught with my own pocket money was 'Poetry in Motion' by Johnny Tillotson in 1961. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Weber - Eels are great. Blinking Lights was fantastic. But! I have to say I never really meant to suggest that Jedward were great musicians or writers, just that their joy was infectious to me, albeit - perhaps because - it was a kind of troubled joy. I can listen to Eels a lot (I have about 6 albums) but now and then it does me good to have that burst of optimism that is cheesy young music. I have one track by them (Lipstick) and it's probably the right ratio. And yes, I meant that 'relative quality' thing - because by golly I love to see people stretch themselves. I saw them once on x Factor (a show/concept I do dislike) and thought they were a shambles, and so to see them being so gobsmacking (yes, they were!) did me good. It's heartening. Joy is the true space travel you see. It's the most transcendent emotion. Kids feel it less rarely than we think but more than us for a while, and to witness it transfers it to us, reminds us how good life is. That whole euro stadium was the modern Cathedral, a kind of spiritual NASA (which is at the moment closing down, it seems). (Shit, did I just write all that?  ) And Proto - debate is great, whatever the subject. In fact I could happily discuss made-up things and be happy. A while ago I even found I loved to read reviews and essays on films I've never seen, and learned an odd thing; sometimes I preferred the description to the original work. It's been nice for me to dip into Jedward's life, for what it is, this week. I found some quite moving quotes by them; Edward; "It's hard to describe him without describing myself but the big difference between us is that... I don't know, there actually is no difference." "I think me and John as we are brothers have that bond that no one can separate us. We don’t like being in separate rooms as we have no one to talk to, and wake up if we have nightmares." And, eerily, for you Des; 'Your hair is like your plant/flower and your body is the roots'. And, as an aside; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-angel -of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Ramsey; 'Imagine including (let's say) details of one's nightmare childhood with every short story submitted to a market, as a means of winning the editor's favour' - I think I put my nightmare childhood details INTO all my short stories! Not that my life was particularly nightmarish. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.132.93.209 |
Lipstick on my Collar. I was thinking about how this Jedward song was an evolution. Yes - an evolution. My kids have got me listening to Galaxy and Capital radio. All Hi NRG stuff I used to think of as despicable rubbish. I'm addicted now; it IS transcendent, elating. BTW David Lynch likes the same stuff, dance music. He's just released a single in the form. Honest folks, it makes you grow to look at things that initially make you wince. The truth is there. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
Yes, eerie too = the two different Lipsticks in this thread. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
I adore the best experimental electronic or techno music but see it as a distinct genre appealing to a particular audience and lacking the attempt at universal appeal of pure Pop Music. I was a huge fan of The Chemical Brothers, Air, Daft Punk, Aphex Twin, etc. - for me they represent a right and proper evolution of popular music. For me bands like The Flaming Lips, Gorillaz & Radiohead represent the absolute cutting edge of modern Rock. Where we go from here is anyone's guess... | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.37 |
Des check the thread I started about best performance by a carrot in a music video for another Eeels song. And please dont mention those dull-meisters coldplay in the same breath as eels again... I was subjected to one of their albums on a long car journey once and it was pretty much the most boring thing I'd heard musically since I saw Keane in concert. | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
What do people think of Goldrfrapp? I saw them live a few years ago in the Albert Hall and I found them very impressive (they come into my Novella Weirdtongue). But they are essentially Pop Music. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.57 |
Goldfrapp I like. She has a remarkable voice and they put on a really entertaining show. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
Radiohead? Dropped them after "OK Computer", which I found lacking. Interestingly, around the time it appeared the whole world thought it was the best album in history. Rubbish. And that whining voice! | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.39 |
As far as Radiohead go - Creep was a good song. Other than that I find them tedious. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.166.117.210 |
Radiohead. Best band ever. | ||
| John Forth (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.1.217 |
I enjoyed that EELS video. Thanks, Weber. A blend of ELO and Coldplay? Heh heh heh... I'm with the last two posters regarding Radiohead. I do like some of their songs, but in large doses they bore and irritate me in equal measures. I think it's because they sound so passive. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.2.245 |
Radiohead are one of the few bands I do have time for. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.53 |
I have a compilation album with a radiohead son on, I think it's called pyramid song. After two minutes of listening to it I wasn't sure if I was bored to death. It was tedious whining depressive noise IMO. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.53 |
song not son | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Anyone here know Ween? My favourite band still on the go at the minute (since 1990) and the ultimate Anti-Pop band imo. They write effortlessly catchy classic pop songs and release intricately structured concept albums of the kind Zappa, Floyd & The Who excelled at. Some typical song titles: 'Flies On My Dick', 'Spinal Meningitis Got Me Down', 'The HIV Song', 'Don't Shit Where You Eat', 'Mister, Would You Please Help My Pony {he's down and I don't think he's getting up}, 'Help Me Scrape The Mucus Off My Brain', 'Piss Up A Rope', 'Waving My Dick In The Wind', 'Big Fat Fuck', etc... That's put me in the mood for a Ween party tonight, thanks folks! | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.43 |
Oh for an edit button. the words Or suicidal seem to have vanished from the end of the second sentence of my earlier post. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.178.81.136 |
I love Radiohead, me. Weber - 'tis Polari. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
I have kept "The Bends", Lord knows why, because I haven't listened to it in years. Air: one great album, "Moon Safari". The rest . . . | ||
| Carolinec (Carolinec) Username: Carolinec Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 92.232.199.129 |
I wonder if it's time for me to mention Jethro Tull again ...  | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 178.116.58.66 |
King Crimson, anyone? | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Another favourite band of recent years, from Leeds and just about as different from Ween as it's possible to imagine (apart from their shared musical virtuosity), are Hood. Imagine Radiohead at their most experimental collaborating with Aphex Twin to record the soundtrack to an adaptation of Ramsey Campbell's 'Incarnate'. Or something like that... | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.2.245 |
Yes, but can Batman beat Superman in a fistfight? | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.55 |
Yes. But only if he's wearing kryptonite gloves like he does in The Dark Knight Returns. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
and some music for Stevie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb6iX4FwQUY | ||
| Des (Des) Username: Des Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 86.158.237.148 |
I prefer Jedward to Chris de Burgh. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.27.2.245 |
Hardly a glowing testimonial. | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.4.19.77 |
Uuuurrgghh... Now this is more like it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5K_w9Tbhoc | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Weber - do you like MUSE? I don't, but I wondered if you'd mentioned it before, or if I imagined it. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
Muse must love Radiohead. They've based an entire career on being a Radiohead tribute band. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Don't beat me to the punch, yer basterd (; I would actually disagree with that, which is why I was prompted to ask Weber what he thought. MUSE fans tend to dislike Radiohead and vice-versa. Musically they are worlds apart. Composition wise, there are some structural similarities. But that's the case with thousands of artists. I think the accusation that MUSE's lead singer mimics Thom Yorke is pretty daft, which is where a lot of the criticism comes from. I think it's somewhat restrictive to claim one band's singer is ripping off another. You don't hear other opera singers claiming the same thing of their contemporaries. But I believe the bands are unlike each other in terms of everything they do as to make the whole thing seem contrived. I adore Radiohead, and don't really like MUSE at all. But I wouldn't dismiss them off the back of them being Radiohead impersonators. MUSE are much more oriented to the high-end of the American market, whereas, to quote somebody, Radiohead are the band all other bands wish they were, which was meant to mean other bands wished they had the freedom to turn out whatever the hell they wanted, but has been misconstrued as every other band wants to sound like Radiohead. My favourite bands at present are Yeah Yeah Yeahs and IAMX (guitarist from the defunct Sneaker Pimps). | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
Muse, like Radiohead for me - one or two songs I quite like but I can't listen to an album's worth without getting bored. They both sound like Morten Harket when they sing anyway (except Aha were good Mostly). | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
MUSE are more like a SUEDE tribute band, to be honest (I only said the above to get a rise out of someone). And the lead singer of MUSE takes hideous deep intakes of breath after every line...like Phil Mitchell. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
Now Suede I do like - a lot (the last album was a little ropey but everything before that was pure class (and yes i am counting Head Music in pure Class)). Just a shame they split before I got a chance to see them live. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.253.77 |
I used to like them, too, actually. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5LifacYe8&feature=BFa&list=AVGxdCwVVULXcJHPpWWL jTuqcbIkAycxxo&index=23 | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 109.158.60.210 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcprozpNBFk&feature=fvst A Bit of Echobelly | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 82.4.19.77 |
Suede were great, I agree. 'Sci-Fi Lullabies' is an awesome B-sides collection, always the sign of a band with talent to throw away. Another great forgotten alt-rock band of the 90s, with more than a hint of Pink Floyd about them, were The Catherine Wheel - check out 'Adam And Eve' (1997) - but, for me, Manic Street Preachers ruled that decade. Their passion was blistering, like all the best rock music should be, and they had a knack for writing damn fine tunes. | ||
| Weber (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 194.176.105.43 |
I met the bassist from MSP at the apollo. I was chatting to him for a couple of minutes but didn't realise who it was till I saw him on the stage later... | ||
| Stevie Walsh (Stephenw) Username: Stephenw Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 194.32.31.1 |
Yeah, they had that approachable everyman quality about them as well, which I really admired. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 85.222.86.21 |
Suede have reformed. Didn't think much of their last album, but will always consider Dogman Star one of the best albums of the 90's. |