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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 08:16 pm:   

http://www.mania.com/top-20-greatest-horror-writers-alltime_article_113153.html
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 08:39 pm:   

I've not read anything by Richard Laymon, F Paul Wilson, John Saul, Jack Ketchum and Robert McCammon.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 08:48 pm:   

We've ahd this here before. Hilarious, isn't it? John Saul above Blackwood. Yeah, right.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 08:50 pm:   

>>>I can see Campbell one day cracking the top five…he is THAT good!

Oh come on . . .
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 09:21 pm:   

Ridiculous, and worthless - there are at least half a dozen listed there who don't belong in the top two hundred, let alone top twenty.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 10:08 pm:   

Hasn't this been posted before?

Listing favourite authors is very subjective - and pointless to anyone but yourself.

Des - Jack Ketchum is one of my favourite writers. Give him a try. His very affordable short story collection "Peaceable Kingdom" is a great place to start.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:25 am:   

Could have been worse. But no Bradbury? No Leiber? No Grant?

And Skipp and Spector the first runner-up? Do me a favour.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:30 am:   

These listicles must end.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:43 am:   

1-10 is not really controversial.

It's the 11-20 of "bests" in almost any list, really, when it all becomes personal taste. As evidenced here.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:58 am:   

He says that "Bloch truly shined as a writer of shorter fiction"

how can you trust a person's opinion who has such a tenuous grip on grammar?
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:03 am:   

He also credits Matheson with writing the Kolchak novels... he didn't.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:24 am:   

Lists are good unpretentious fun. Even the infuriating ones. As evidence, here's how the 20 authors on that list should be ranked, in terms of literary merit, imho:

1. H.P. Lovecraft
2. Ramsey Campbell
3. M.R. James
4. Edgar Allan Poe
5. Algernon Blackwood
6. Richard Matheson
7. Robert Bloch
8. Clive Barker
9. Peter Straub
10. Ambrose Bierce
11. Stephen King
12. Robert R. McCammon
13. Jack Ketchum
14. Brian Lumley
15. Joe R. Lansdale
16. F. Paul Wilson
17. Graham Masterton
18. Richard Laymon
19. John Saul
20. Dean R. Koontz
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:48 am:   

King below Barker? Below Bloch? Below Matheson?

Give over, man.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:57 am:   

And here's my own personal Top 20 horror/weird fiction authors i.e. the one's I get most excited about discovering a new story or novel by:

1. H.P. Lovecraft
2. Ramsey Campbell
3. M.R. James
4. Robert Aickman
5. Walter de la Mare
6. Arthur Machen
7. Algernon Blackwood
8. Edgar Allan Poe
9. Ray Bradbury
10. Clive Barker
11. Fritz Leiber
12. William Hope Hodgson
13. Bram Stoker
14. Clark Ashton Smith
15. Shirley Jackson
16. Richard Matheson
17. Theodore Sturgeon
18. Robert Bloch
19. Christopher Fowler
20. H.R. Wakefield

I'm slowly expanding my knowledge of modern horror authors (over the last 20-30 years) and will be interested to see how many of them make inroads into that list over the next few years...
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   

My own, somewhat predictable, list of favourite 'weird' fiction writers, in no particular order:

Arthur Machen
Fritz Leiber
Ramsey Campbell
Robert Aickman
E.T.A. Hoffmann
Shirley Jackson
H.P. Lovecraft
Algernon Blackwood
Theodore Sturgeon
J. Sheridan Le Fanu
Ray Bradbury
T.E.D. Klein
Walter de la Mare
William Hope Hodgson
Lisa Tuttle
Manly Wade Wellman
Richard Matheson
Lucius Shepard
Edgar Allan Poe
M.R. James
Angela Carter
Lafcadio Hearn
Jack Cady
Isak Dinesen
Thomas Ligotti


There are a lot more I was about to list, but if I don't leave it here I'll be up to fifty names before I know it!

I retrospect, I shouldn't really have called that list 'worthless' - it's obviously just one person's opinion. I still find it pretty ridiculous, though.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:55 pm:   

Stevie, that's a serious list! The kind of list only a veteran list-writer could accomplish. Leaving aside the positions (which really do have to be different for every reader), that's not a bad stab at a genre canon.

A few more who deserve consideration: Dennis Etchison, Thomas Ligotti, Charles L. Grant, M. John Harrison, John Metcalfe, Lisa Tuttle, Harlan Ellison, Joseph Payne Brennan. Graham Joyce if he counts as a horror writer. From previous lists on this thread Ambrose Bierce deserves reinstatement. Stephen King is a contender but wouldn't automatically make my top 20 – lots of good writers wouldn't.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:58 pm:   

Huw, some great stuff there as well. I wouldn't say Angela Carter is a horror writer but I agree she is brilliant.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:02 pm:   

Charles Beaumont, there's another.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:10 pm:   

Joel Lane is on my list.

I'm not telling you which list it is, though.

But, no, seriously. Joel Lane; in the top 10.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:14 pm:   

Here's another of those classic 'pub argument' questions: were the California Group (Bradbury, Matheson, Beaumont, Bloch and others) more important for the genre's development than the Lovecraft circle (HPL, Howard, Smith, Derleth, Long and others)? Were they more important even than the UK 'Golden Age' (Machen, Blackwood, Hodgson, James and others)?

Dennis Etchison once said that there were four writers you had to have read and appreciated if you were serious about writing horror: Bradbury, Bloch, Matheson and Sturgeon.

Obviously we're talking about divergent traditions here. You could say that Machen is the genre's Thomas Aquinas, whereas Bradbury is its Martin Luther.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:14 pm:   

Joel, I agree about Angela Carter - same thing with Isak Dinesen, and Jack Cady, I suppose. Lafcadio Hearn wasn't, strictly speaking, 'just' a horror writer either. I think with my list I was aiming more at writers who succeed in conveying a sense of the macabre and doing it with a writing style I find powerful and beautiful.

I almost listed some of the ones you mentioned - Metcalfe, Ellison, Grant, etc. - and would like to add yet more names, but it would go on forever! Beaumont, Jean Ray, L.P. Hartley, Wagner, Kirk ..... where to stop?
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:16 pm:   

Zed's list is the one whose title rhymes with 'cankers'.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:19 pm:   

I don't think there's an emoticon for that.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:29 pm:   

"Zed's list is the one whose title rhymes with 'cankers'."

I don't know you worked in finance Joel.
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:46 pm:   

I still love the same authors I did back when I was a kid. The only difference is that I keep adding to this list as I discover more writers. For example, Kelly Link is somebody I think is a brilliant, brilliant writer, and she makes my ever revolving, ever adaptable list.

Again, there's no right or wrong. If Stephen King comes below Barker, then that's simply one man's opinion. If he comes above Barker, same thing. That's the inherent silliness of lists, yet its attraction.

It'd be boring if we all had the same list with the same writers in the same positions.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:46 pm:   

No, that would be the list whose title rhymes with 'lab mice'.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:47 pm:   

Er, relying to Weber, that was.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 03:10 pm:   

Is still don't get this constant elevation of Bloch to the top of horror lists. It must be me.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 03:50 pm:   

Sadly missing in most of these lists are those whose horror output was relatively minimal, and yet, brilliant often beyond the many regulars.

Like Gene Wolfe, Stanley Ellin, David Morrell, Tanith Lee, Michael Bishop, Joyce Carol Oates....
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 04:42 pm:   

And let's not forget Alvin Schwartz....

http://youtu.be/oEtTh0vYMKI
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:07 pm:   

Forgot; Guy de Maupassant, Jonathan Carroll & T.E.D. Klein, who should have went in at No. 9, 14 & 20 - knocking Bloch, Fowler & Wakefield into the Top 30.

Other near misses: E.T.A. Hoffmann, James Hogg, Washington Irving, Nathaniel Hawthorne, J. Sheridan Le Fanu, Elizabeth Gaskell, Vernon Lee, Ambrose Bierce, H.G. Wells, Arthur Conan Doyle, Robert W. Chambers, Edith Wharton, W.W. Jacobs, E.F. Benson, Oliver Onions, Marjorie Bowen, Lord Dunsany, May Sinclair, A.E. Coppard, A.M. Burrage, John Metcalfe, Henry S. Whitehead, Frank Belknap Long, Hugh Walpole, L.P. Hartley, Elizabeth Bowen, Robert E. Howard, Henry Kuttner, August Derleth, John Collier, John Keir Cross, Stanley Ellin, Gerald Kersh, Charles Beaumont, Roald Dahl, Joseph Payne Brennan, Dino Buzzati, Elizabeth Walter, C.M. Eddy, Patricia Highsmith, Ira Levin, William Peter Blatty, Thomas Tryon, Robert Marasco, Peter Straub, Stephen King, Charles L. Grant, T.M. Wright, Joel Lane, etc, etc...

And authors I know by reputation but haven't read enough of to judge yet: Harlan Ellison, Dennis Etchison, Karl Edward Wagner (the horror stuff), Thomas Ligotti, Gene Wolfe, Joyce Carol Oates, Graham Joyce, Poppy Z. Brite, David J. Schow, Steve Rasnic Tem, etc, etc.. as well as quite a few people on here...
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:28 pm:   

Who's left?!?

How about a list of the top 10 most average, insignificant, most dullishly-middling-of-not-terrible-perse-but-just-plain-tepid horror writers?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:28 pm:   

I don't understand why King is being left out of lists. Amid the average stuff, he's hit enough high horror notes to be among the best, surely. Has anyone written a more terrifying scene than the hobbling sequence in Misery? Bloch's Psycho shower scene? Oh, I don't think so. Not in the same class.

Hence my confusion.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   

Room 217 can kick the ass of most haunted rooms in literature, too.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   

And a special honorary mention for my favourite bad horror author. A man whose prose and dialogue is so outrageously side-splittingly awful it is beyond reproach, yet whose way with a rattling fine yarn, memorably seasoned with an in-depth knowledge of the occult and diresomely impassioned warnings not to dabble therein, makes him the definitive spoof caricaturist of our fine genre. The Prince of Darkness in a smoking jacket himself... Mr Dennis Wheatley.

Shaun Hutson can't hold a black candle to him!
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:31 pm:   

King is on my list of near misses. But quality over quantity will out every time, imho.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:31 pm:   

Rachel's voice was grating, full of dirt. 'Darling', she said.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:33 pm:   

>>>But quality over quantity

I'm talking about quality. You seem to be taking a mean rather than a mode form of appraisal here.
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Zed (Gary_mc)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:34 pm:   

Pet Sematary - the best horror novel ever written. IMHO.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:35 pm:   

To be honest, I'd take King's ten greatest horror moments over almost anybody's. I don't care if there are another 100 average scenes. I'm interested in peak achievements. I mean, Blackwood wrote a lot of shit, didn't he? But that's forgotten, while The Willows etc live on. I view King in the same way.
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Mark West (Mark_west)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:44 pm:   

Coming to this late but Des, I'd definitely give McCammon a chance, well worth a read.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:58 pm:   

Actually the Willows closed for the last time on Sunday. Salford Reds will be at the new stadium next season.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:03 pm:   

I'd go for 'The Shining' as his horror masterpiece but agree 'Pet Sematary' is one of his undeniably great novels. My personal favourite is still 'The Stand' though.

I think King is capable of doing supernatural horror brilliantly but often dilutes his talent by branching into sci-fi, fantasy, crime and soap opera - which he is less convincing at. And he isn't half fond of letting his influences show - to a frequently distracting degree, imo.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:11 pm:   

Cujo was one of the first books to really make me cry.

I read it in one sitting on a long car journey with my parents when I was 16. There's still tearstains on the last couple of pages.

My dad actually stopped the car to see what was wrong with me.

There is no other book in existance (in my experience) where the author so completely pulls the rug out from under the reader in ONE line of dialogue, shattering the exultant mood of victory and plunging the reader into grief.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:26 pm:   

>>>There's still tearstains on the last couple of pages.

You should have had a Kindle. They'd have washed off.

[irony]
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Frank (Frank)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:35 pm:   

Weber - I remember reading CUJO when I was about fourteen and crying my eyes out also. The scene when the little kid imagines he's on a play swing as he slowly fades.

Originally there was no prologue/introduction of why CUJO became as he did, until King's editor asked him to write one. But I guess everybody knows that and I'm preaching to the converted.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:37 pm:   

I've long considered CUJO to be favourite King novel. I also had it signed by him in 1983 in my presence.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 07:34 pm:   

Is that really what Dean Koontz's hair looks like? Good lord.

King's omission from some of the lists above baffles me as well. He's only responsible for some of the most striking scenes in horror fiction of the last thirty-five years (admittedly some via movie adaptations of his work). Whether you're judging on quality or quantity, he can't be ignored.

>And a special honorary mention for my favourite bad horror author. A man whose prose and dialogue is so outrageously side-splittingly awful it is beyond reproach, yet whose way with a rattling fine yarn, memorably seasoned with an in-depth knowledge of the occult and diresomely impassioned warnings not to dabble therein, makes him the definitive spoof caricaturist of our fine genre. The Prince of Darkness in a smoking jacket himself... Mr Dennis Wheatley.

Shaun Hutson can't hold a black candle to him!<


I dunno, Stevie, I'd rather read a book glued together from researches into the occult than researches into the effects of gunshot wounds on the human body.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 07:58 pm:   

I've long considered CUJO to be favourite King novel. I also had it signed by him in 1983 in my presence.

Des, would that have been when he was in the UK to promote Christine? We queued up for two hours at Forbidden Planet in London for that!
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 08:07 pm:   

May 1983 when he turned up at a BFS meeting at a pub in Holborn. I peed on his pee in a cubicle that wasn't flushing.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:50 pm:   

Yep, that'd be when he was over for the Christine tour. Very rare for him to do so, by all accounts.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:12 pm:   

If I had King's money, I'd be travelling the world all the time. He must really like writing, to stay permanently at home.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:15 pm:   

Well, he does do an awful lot of it.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:23 pm:   

Do as much on the road, I guess . . .
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:48 pm:   

He's a bit like me, Gary - he doesn't like travelling. So I'm just the same as Stephen King ... only I don't write as well (and I don't earn as much) ...

Des - this must be the ultimate in "fanboy" behaviour!

"I peed on his pee in a cubicle that wasn't flushing."
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:59 pm:   

Wrong website again.
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:59 pm:   

Or maybe my mental image of the scene is different from the way it was.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:19 pm:   

"May 1983 when he turned up at a BFS meeting at a pub in Holborn. I peed on his pee in a cubicle that wasn't flushing."

I have a third-hand Su Pollard anecdote that I'm saving for just the right time.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:27 pm:   

I was walking randomly around a big Waterstones and every way I went was Nobel laureates Seamus Heaney. It reached the point where he looked uncomfortably over his shoulder as if I was stalking him.

I've a friend who met Neil Armstrong.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 02:38 am:   

There is no other book in existance (in my experience) where the author so completely pulls the rug out from under the reader in ONE line of dialogue, shattering the exultant mood of victory and plunging the reader into grief.

You've brought to mind, Weber, a story I read recently, by (mentioned above I believe) Charles Beaumont, called "The Hunger"(1955); collected in BEST AMERICAN NOIR OF THE CENTURY, yet another example of a story that could easily be put in any horror anthology.

Anyway, never was so bland, innocuous, empty of a sentence as "That would be nice," used to such disturbing effect, as it does capping off this one....

Greatest closing lines of horror stories. Someone should do a list of that.

Easy quiz for you, Weber: Name the author/work of this famous closing horror-story line: "Just call me -- Jack."
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 08:06 am:   

Robert Bloch. 'Yours Truly, Jack The Ripper'. A completely overrated, gimmicky tale.
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Huw (Huw)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 08:35 am:   

Bloch's tales often contained punchlines like that. I preferred 'The Night Before Christmas', personally.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 08:55 am:   

That was a good tale, as are many of his. But they're hardly in the class of Ramsey's or the great masters' stuff - are they?

I'm baffled by his eminent status. To repeat, I like him a lot, but I just don't think his commonly gimmicky tales are all that worthy.
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Pete_a (Pete_a)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 09:06 am:   

>>Greatest closing lines of horror stories<<


"And then some idiot turned on the lights."

"There was a glow within, as if great furnace doors were opened."

"As he had suddenly realised that the car hadn't halted nor even slowed before plunging down the incline back into the Ghost Train, Stone did not immediately notice that the figure had taken his hand."

"And darkness and decay and the red death held illimitable dominion over all."

"'Just room for one inside, sir,' he said."


(Okay, the last one's a cheat because it's not quite the last line of the story -- but it's certainly the one you remember)
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 09:06 am:   

Going by your quality over quantity theme from earlier, he invented Norman Bates...

That should earn him a few points at least.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 09:22 am:   

Last lines?

"I can see it now, that hand of hers; it had only one finger on it, and a thumb."
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:06 am:   

Then some idiot turned on the lights.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:47 am:   

Then some idiot repeated what had already been said on the thread. :-)
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:52 am:   

didn't see that one

One by one, the stars were going out.
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:58 am:   

Is that a description of your brain?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 12:04 pm:   

The last line (I don't know it verbatim) from Ramsey's 'The Same in any Language' is contexually terrifying. Same with 'Ra*e'. And lots of others, goddamn him.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 03:40 pm:   

I only one I don't recognize is Pete's second one down.

The best I've read of Bloch is his novel THE SCARF, Gary, the only novel I've read by him. And it's not really horror, but noir. His stuff is yes all gimmicky, but compellingly readable. Compulsively readable.

You should try more Stanley Ellin, Gary. Because he's the closest comparable to Bloch (except for Bradbury, when he wears his horror hat), but sans the gimmicks.

I'd argue the story Pete quoted from, of Ramsey's, is probably indeed his most famous. And perhaps his most surreal. It's essentially a nightmare, described. Lacking in traditional structure, character and plot development, etc., it's not something you'd ever find Bloch writing. But that's why we go to Bloch for Bloch, and to Ramsey for Ramsey....
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 03:51 pm:   

Hill of Dreams.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 04:57 pm:   

I googled it - the one by Arthur Machen?

Lemme give you a little rule of thumb, Gare: If I gotta google it, it ain't famous.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 06:08 pm:   

Who's gare?

Should I google him or is he famous?
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Gary Fry (Gary_fry)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 06:10 pm:   

Craig, have you ever heard of this little rock band called The Beatles? They're pretty good.
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Des (Des)
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Posted From: 86.159.146.177
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 06:10 pm:   

THE HILL OF DREAMS is famous. It's nettly.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 06:23 pm:   

Typical, now she doesn't want him either.

(It's something along those lines, I'm sure several people will know the story I'm referencing)
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 07:06 pm:   

It's not famous if I haven't ever heard of it, Des, sorry.

Let's see, the Beatles, a novel by Arthur Machen... gee, no hyperbole there, Gare.

Weber, Gare is a name, Weber, that is short for Gary, Weber, but not his real name, Weber. Got that, Weber?
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Joel (Joel)
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Posted From: 2.24.27.178
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 01:01 am:   

We get it, Cray.
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Craig (Craig)
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Posted From: 166.216.226.95
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 01:31 am:   

God, these threads devolve....
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 01:41 am:   

Too much drink taken, I fear.

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