| Author | Message | ||
     Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Finally saw this last night: excellent film. Well paced, good effects, interesting subplot, some clever touches (such as the flashbacks) and a killer last scene. Top notch. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.137.224 |
Yeah, the way the earlier stuff keeps popping up is a great idea, and some of the stuff at the party is fun too. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.196.78 |
Glad you liked it, Gary! It's one of my favourite films so far this year. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
For a film that potentially strained credulity in every scene - how to work in the early subplot without looking contrived; why does the guy keep the camcorder on, since running for his life without that handicap would be more realistic - I thought it worked well. The only slight problem I had was that wherever the 'team' went, the monster seemed to track them. I mean, this creature got to the city, and then just seemed to have a tantrum in one spot, circling and circling, smashing and crashing. But a minor issue. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
Oh, and the party gang were all too beautiful. A bunch of mingers would have been more in line with the shaky-cam footage. The aim was to achieve verisimilitude, wasn't it? Shame it had to be scuppered by, what I imagine were, Hollywood 'rules'. While I think, the other woman kept her high heels on all round the city! And she didn't seem particularly devastated at the death of her boyfriend. Oh, and I'd have made the camera guy a do-or-die journalist-wannabe right from the start, the better to justify his constant recording. Actually, it was a rubbish film.  I'm only joking. Just playing Devil's advocate. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
And I'm glad nobody said, "Is it terrorists?" - not even in the early media shots. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.196.78 |
Yeah, I hated that line in War of the Worlds: "is it the terrorists, daddy, is it the terrorists?" or something like that. The kids in The Blair Witch Project were more believable, I thought, as 'everyday' characters. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
I thought it worked OK in WotW: the film was a big dumb post-9/11 vehicle with scenes of US refugees, etc. But Cloverfield was a monster mash whose message seemed to be: everything can change in a day (6:42am). Enjoy the simple moments. Look after your loved ones, even if it means not pursuing status and dosh. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
But if something like that happened in real life, the first thing you'd say is "is it terrorists?". The media has us so paranoid about the subject that it would be the first thought in your head... I thought Cloverfield was very good indeed up until the silly ending. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.196.78 |
It's not the first thing I'd say (or think), but then I don't live in the US or the UK. Whenever I hear a big explosion my first thought is either "has Mainland China attacked?" or "shit! Another killer earthquake!" I found the notion of them surviving a helicopter crash from that high up pretty ridiculous. I think it would've been better if they'd ended the film with the monster's head rearing up toward them in the chopper, and left it inconclusive. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
>>>But if something like that happened in real life, the first thing you'd say is "is it terrorists?". The media has us so paranoid about the subject that it would be the first thought in your head... In any film of this kind made in a post-9/11 world, the line is already there anyway. So to include it is to put it in twice, as it were - a direct attempt to tell the audience that this film really is about terrorism; it isn't just sub-subtext. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.4.238.235 |
Whenever I hear about some big disaster, the first thing that pops into my head is: "Ia ia? Cthulhu phtagn?... No?... Whatev." I've avoided this flick, I just felt it would annoy me... but okay, Gars, if you liked it, I'll give it a look see. Good thing you didn't like THE MIST too or.... | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.231.28 |
As far as I know no-one here has ever mentioned SLITHER. I haven't seen it and the pictures and trailer look kind of interesting. Apparently it bombed because it was presented as a horror comedy, but unless I'm badly mistaken it's rapidly gaining cult status. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 61.216.37.140 |
I enthused about it, back when it came out. It's not bad at all - in the same sort of vein as Tremors and other pulpy horror films with a comic edge. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.15.54 |
I loved SLITHER! It's wonderful camp/homage, and well done. As well, it's a rare movie that has distinct "parts" to it: it goes from one kind of horror story, then shifts to an altogether other kind, then another, then another... but it's all one story. I've rarely, if ever, seen a structure like this in film - the closest analogy might be (the equally good) HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS. Non-ironic to boot, a key to its success as a film, SLITHER deserves its rising cult status. | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
Is it related to the John Halkin novel of the same name? | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.231.28 |
The screenplay was written by the film's director, James Gunn. Halkin isn't mentioned anywhere. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.148.96.124 |
The structure of slither really threw me. I wanted to like it but one shift in tone after another and it slithered straight out of my fingers. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.232.114 |
I didn't buy the dvd because the cover looked so shlocky - the girl in the bathtub with the thingies slithering up towards her - but I recently saw some trailers and some of the images really grabbed me. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
Slither the modern film? Yeah, that just farted it's gas out in the first half hour, after that it was just making pretend farting noises. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.161.253.149 |
I hated the young girl who became preganant with them. Another case of a film that looked and acted like a horror but didn't feel like one. It felt like a more gory Arachnophobia. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.161.253.149 |
'Shame it had to be scuppered by, what I imagine were, Hollywood 'rules'.' Yes; that and the presence of too many jokes. A film can't do that, strive for real and then undrmine it with what felt naff in a Roger Moore Bond film. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.232.11 |
"I hated the young girl who became preganant with them." Really? That was one of the images that grabbed me. She reminds me of the monster in "The Dunwich Horror". Still, I haven't actually seen the film, so . . . | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.161.253.149 |
No - I meant it was horrible, not bad! | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
I thought Slither was ok - a good laugh in places. Like Albs says, though, it farted out its gas in the first half. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.69.94 |
Saw Cloverfield - didn't like it. Irritated the life out of me. Where did the monster come from? The ending was crap too. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
"Where did the monster come from?" Does it really matter? I agree about the ending, though. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.157.91.38 |
I loved that very last bit, showing the couple at Coney Island. | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.193.191 |
I've already made my feelings on the film clear, but I'll just second Gary's sentiment of "does it matter where the monster came from?". Surely the point of the movie is to show the panic and horror of being caught up in such a situation, should it occur. It wasn't a perfect film by any means, but the good far outweighed the bad, I thought. I wasn't convinced by the helicopter scene, though. How could one survive that? It would've seemed far more believable if they'd ended it with the creature rearing up towards them in the helicopter. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
They do speculate about where the monster comes from - in the tunnel scene. The thing is that stuff like this in real life have no fixed answers either, at least in the public consciousness: didn't folk start suspecting that the Tsaumani in Sri Lanka wasn't wholly a natural phenomenon? Shit happens, etc. The world is inexplicable. As Huw says, the fiction is about how the folk-like-us respond to that. I thought the end bottled it to some degree: gave us a sight of something we could at least assimilate. Would have been far more powerful if it had been just left in snatched glances and echoic roars. But that's Hollywood, huh? | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.114.237 |
Where did the monster come from? Does it really matter? Yes - in this instance it did. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.163.49.72 |
I disagree, simply because the whole thing is seen from the perspective of those on the ground, who'd probably not get to find this out - similar to SIGNS in a way; you only see what the protagonists see, and nothing more. Plus, as the whole thing is shot on home video, there's not really an opportunity to bring any explanations in without it seeming a bit clunky, imo. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.114.237 |
True - but I still didn't like it. Because it is hard to bring an explanation in doesn't mean to say it shouldn't be attempted (obviously not in every plot) but in this instance I wanted it. Just my opinion. Couldn't suspend the disbelief and all that - I dislike the whole shaky cam stuff anyway. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
I prefer monster movies that don't give a cheesy origin for the beast - for example, the daft bits with the US scientist kept THE HOST from being the prfect monster movie...it almost is, though. :-) I thought CLOVERFIELD was a qualified success - like, Huw, I'd say the good just about outweighed the bad. | ||
| John (John) Username: John Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 82.24.4.67 |
Where did the monster come from? Why, out of the ocean, of course. Anything beyond that is just padding, really, and irrelevant to the rest of the film. I actually think that this ambiguity was the only thing Cloverfield did well. I hated just about everything else about the movie. It was well enough put together, but my god it had some of the blankest, dullest characters since the first Friday the 13th film. The first 20 minutes of footage - the party sequence - was one of the most excruciating pieces of cinema I've ever sat through. The only thing that kept me watching was the hope that they'd all get munched before the end of the film. Really dreadful stuff - plotless and utterly unengaging. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.3.216 |
I will take your sage advice here, John - Argento and DEAD SILENCE notwithstanding - and continue avoiding this film. A film that I just have this nagging suspicion is something I'd hate anyway... had it since it first came out.... | ||
| Huw (Huw) Username: Huw Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 218.168.196.181 |
Don't be such a wuss, Craig! Come on, it can't be worse than TRANSFORMERS, right?  Seriously though, I think it's definitely worth a rent, at least, and if you end up not liking it, so what? Like John, I didn't care much for the characters. They were pretty dumb, and bland, but I almost take for granted that that's going to be the case in a Hollywood horror film these days. It's the creature and the mounting sense of panic that won me over. If you can endure the first twenty minutes (in which the characters are introduced), the following hour offers much to enjoy. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
Craig - finally we agree on sth. Slither is great. Shouldn't have worked, but somehow it pulled itself together. Now this doesn't mean we're gonna start holding hands or anything, so don't get any ideas above your station. You listening, you cynical downbeat blowhard? | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
I saw this last night (got it in a 3 for £20 with saw IV and the Prestige the other day). You'll hate it Craig. I loved it. The bit in the helicopter nearly made me jump right out of my seat. When Hud started talking about psycos in the subway tunnels I laughed out loud. I liked virtually everything about this. There seems to be a subgenre of the monster movie emerging - where the lead characters are basically the people who we traditionally see in the crowds, running for their lives - people who we know from the outset have no chance of defeating the monster and the best they can hope for is to get out safely. For me that changes this film and The Mist from standard run-of-the-mill monster fare into very effective horror films. Not a scientist or anyone useful in sight in either film. Maybe that's where they don't fit into craig's template of what a monster movie should be. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.9.157 |
I've not seen CLOVERFIELD yet, Weber... and you realize you're setting me up to like it, stoking my Low Expectations Syndrome the way you are... L.E.S. worked for me and INDIANA JONES AND THE WHATEVER IT WAS HE WAS AFTER: I actually enjoyed it greatly, and I'm sure it was solely due to me expecting to be waving flies off the TV screen. btw, we have a new rule on this board: Weber, you are no longer allowed to use the word "template." Each time you use it, I will crush a kitten's skull between thumb and forefinger... think of the kittens, Weber.... | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
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| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
 think of the kittens Craig | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
My feeling, with hindsight, is that in The Mist the people would have got on well, not fought like that, and that that weird woman would have been ignored. And Cloverfield; too many jokes, too knowingly edited. | ||
| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.21.234.94 |
"My feeling, with hindsight, is that in The Mist the people would have got on well, not fought like that, and that that weird woman would have been ignored." Don't be too sure. Weird happenings trigger weird responses. Under severe pressure any herd will instinctively try and find itself a leader or, conversely, a scapegoat. Remember "The Monsters are due on maple Street"? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.9.81 |
Weber, you feel no guilt at all that 136 kittens had to have their skulls crushed?... my god, you're one heartless bastard, aren't you?... by the way, anyone have a napkin?... and a trash-bag?... | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
See the picture above - I've been responsible for more than that | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.9.81 |
Yeah, I know. Your response was so flagrantly dismissive, I was furiously compelled to... wait, what did you think I was talking about?... Still waiting on that trash bag. | ||
| Danzinger (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.195.236.131 |
"If only Frederica were alive to see me ride the pony so. She would have laughed as I slowly caressed its eyes. Father could caress its eyes the longest, before being thrown." | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
if we read these posts in the right order do they tell a story? | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
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| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 67.116.103.241 |
I ran out of kittens. I've moved on to snuggly bunny rabbits and doe-eyed puppy dogs and button-cute baby deer and fuzzy-wuzzy chipmunks and basically all the fucking animals in the goddamned forest. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.157.114.136 |
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