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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2012 - 10:12 pm:   

September 2nd

UK – 7.20pm on BBC One
US – 9.00pm ET on BBC America
Canada – 9.00pm ET on Space

Start of the new Doctor Who.

Simultaneous (almost) broadcast with the states. Not may programmes from our side of the pond do that.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 07:45 pm:   

It seems everyone's so excited they're speechless, Weber!

Anyway, thought you might like this NY Times article about the recent preview screening in the States:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/a-warm-welcome-for-doctor-who-in-ne w-york/?ref=nyregion
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 08:00 pm:   

You mean they've moved it to Sunday night? Aww no!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 09:40 pm:   

1st September is a Saturday, Stevie.

Or IS it..?
*mysterious hands*
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 09:40 pm:   

Wiki says it airs on 1st, not 2nd.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 09:51 pm:   

My typo. Sorry
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 11:25 pm:   

Phew. That's a relief!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 01:15 pm:   

7 hours and counting
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 05:45 pm:   

Saw in the paper today Matt Smith has said he's quitting next year. He says it's due to the brutal filming schedule, it's impossible to be Doctor Who for more than a couple of years without risking physically and mentally burning out.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 06:50 pm:   

BBC and Matt Smith have both denied that story. The Mirror have twisted something Matt said about the exhausting schedule.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 09:15 pm:   

And that was the best dalek episode since the series restarted 7 years ago. Loved it!
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Paul_finch (Paul_finch)
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Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2012 - 09:37 pm:   

Not blown away by the concept, but I loved the ending.

So what do we think about the ex-Emmerdale cutie. Is she really the next companion, and if so will it need to be more of that timey-whimey stuff?
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 12:49 am:   

Great episode! I found the idea of insane Daleks quite frightening. The shock ending was well done too. The new female lead (in waiting) is HOT!
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 02:42 am:   

I had to record it and had the twist ending somewhat spoiled by a comment on Tumblr, unfortunately, though I think I would have guessed my way to the same point anyway. I didn't really buy Amy and Rory's marriage problems but apart from that I thought it was great.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 10:23 pm:   

I loved it! That's the first time I've been "scared" by a dalek story in years. Well, not really scared as I'm grown up now of course. But had I been the same kid I was back in the sixties, I'd have had those same terrified but excited feelings I had back then. Brilliant stuff! I think I'm turning into a Doctor Who fan again.

One nerdy moan - has there ever been mention before of the daleks being able to turn humans into puppets? But it's a great concept anyway.

Oh, another moan, why do they always have to have sexy female *human* companions? It's about time we had an alien companion again. Maybe they're going to put her in a rubber suit as an alien ... ?
(I'll let you menfolk ponder on that one)
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 11:09 pm:   

I'm just glad the actrss didn't speak 'Estuary English', unlike all but one female companions we've had so far since the rebirth of the show.

"DOKTA!!"
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 11:10 pm:   

"actress"...
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 01:17 pm:   

Caroline, the Daleks had human puppets called Robomen in the First Doctor story Dalek Invasion of Earth. They were enslaved by silly helmets rather than nanotechnology though :-)
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 02:32 pm:   

Thanks, David. My old brain's not as good as it used to be for remembering things like that! So it wasn't just a new idea they threw in for better effect? I must admit I liked the idea. I found the zombie "puppets" most scary!
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 03:07 pm:   

I only knew that because I was reading a thread about it last night which was full of far more knowledgeable Doctor Who fans than me :-)
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 03:41 pm:   

Plus we had the robot scientist chap in the last dalek episode
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 03:48 pm:   

A brown star from me.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 03:51 pm:   

If the Daleks don't become good or start fighting among themselves, become a bit more 3 dimensional, they'll have nowhere to go. The ultimate Who finale must be a 'good' one for the little pepperpots.

As an aside, one-offs don't suit Who at all for me.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 04:59 pm:   

I realised watching this one that I hate the cinematography. Every planet feels the same to me, even Skaro. Dark scenes are badly lit and since the camera they're using doesn't have enough dynamic range so we get poor shadow detail along with too glaringly bright blue (always blue) lights like the light from the dalek's eye. This has been a problem with new Who for a long time.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 09:34 pm:   

I'm not the biggest fan of Moffat's run on WHO, but I did quite enjoy that episode. The concept was fun, the twist decent, and it seemed to have a slightly more relaxed pace than some of last season's episodes.

Looking forward to seeing what they do with the new companion. The Pond saga has long since run its course. It would be nice to have a non-modern companion - someone from the future or distant past...
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 11:16 pm:   

Well orwin worked on a spaceship which suggests she's from the future... Not quite sure how he's going to write her in as the new companion seeing as she's already dead but i'm sure moffatt has something good up his sleeve.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 12:24 am:   

"Not quite sure how he's going to write her in as the new companion seeing as she's already dead"

Yes, I was wondering about that. Even if he meets her in her past and she becomes the companion then, then we know that in the next dalek episode they do she's likely to be a goner. I can't think how else they can do it though, other than they meet up in her past.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 12:24 am:   

Oh, or it could be an alternate universe, I guess?
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 12:26 am:   

Or how about the next companion is Orwin THE DALEK!? I keep saying it's about time they had an alien companion.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 02:01 pm:   

I've wanted the Doctor to have a Dalek sidekick for ages.
I love the Daleks. I kind of like them.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 02:02 pm:   

And aren't the Daleks meant to be 'dead'? The Doc keeps saying 'we killed them!' but they keep coming back! Why can't the Time Lords come back?
Come on, Moffatt - we're ahead of you!
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 02:43 pm:   

Nothing means anything anymore in the DW universe. Even dead doesn't mean dead. Even the End of the Universe... isn't. It's like watching a bunch of 6 year olds playing.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 03:20 pm:   

But you still watch it. I can't remember the last time you claimed to like an episode. If you hate it so much, why do you put yourself through it over and over again?
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 03:27 pm:   

As well as all of the locations looking the same, all the voices are starting to sound the same too. That woman/dalek sounded like the other three main characters. Quip-machines, rather than characters. It's not even an original form of boring writing - it's Joss Whedon disease become airbourne.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 04:11 pm:   

And aren't the Daleks meant to be 'dead'? The Doc keeps saying 'we killed them!' but they keep coming back! Why can't the Time Lords come back?
Come on, Moffatt - we're ahead of you!


Quite agree, Tony - if the doctor can travel to any point in time why can't he travel to the point before the time-lords were wiped out and save them all? Come to that, they were time-lords; why couldn't they do that themselves?
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 06:00 pm:   

All those points were quite definitively dealt with in the RTD days. the only time the Doctor has said "We killed them" in reference to the Daleks was in the Chris Ecclestone Dalek episodes.

As for bringing back the time lords, it was the doctor himself who trapped them outside of time to stop them from destroyng time itself (see Dave Tennants final episodes)
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 06:09 pm:   

And in the Victory of the Daleks episode (as poor as that was) the entire Dalek race was reformed.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 06:11 pm:   

"All the planets look the same"

Skaro was a burnt out wreck of a planet. The Asylum was a maountanous snowscape...

Yes I can certainly see the similarity.

Please if you're going to try to pick fault with the show, say something that makes sense.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 06:12 pm:   

*mountainous
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 07:06 pm:   

Well orwin worked on a spaceship which suggests she's from the future... Not quite sure how he's going to write her in as the new companion seeing as she's already dead but i'm sure moffatt has something good up his sleeve.

Perhaps he'll run into one of her ancestors somewhere up/down the timeline. I'd hope for something a bit smarter than that, though.

That said, it would be quite interesting to meet someone and be able to tell them to the year/generation when and how exactly their bloodline will come to an end.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 07:38 pm:   

Well orwin worked on a spaceship which suggests she's from the future... Not quite sure how he's going to write her in as the new companion seeing as she's already dead but i'm sure moffatt has something good up his sleeve.

Doesn't matter that she's dead, surely, as he's a time-traveller... Hang on, though, if he rescues her earlier in her life she'll not be there as a dalek to save him. Unless he puts her back later and lets the asylum do its nasty work on her, of course.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 07:40 pm:   

As for bringing back the time lords, it was the doctor himself who trapped them outside of time to stop them from destroyng time itself

He's not technically the 'last' of the time lords then, as I seem to recall he's claimed in the past...
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Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 09:34 pm:   

"I love the Daleks. I kind of like them."

Yeah. My template is that each doctor who producer is The Doctor taking the audience (his assistants) on a journey each week. (Or "on a journey, each weak.") The daleks are rabid fans intolerant of other viewpoints. Tne BBC is the TARDIS. Er, K-9 is... no, I'm out of fuel here.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 02:47 am:   

Proto, if you hate Who as much as you claim, why do you watch it? Why don't you go and do something more productive and less painful with your time - like rip off your fingernails and extinguish lit cigarettes on the exposed nail beds? You'd surely enjoy that more?
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 10:03 am:   

Maybe because he - like me - is hoping one day it will be good.
And theTime Lords are sealed off from time? Come on - this is SF. Anything can happen. And the people of the past can't be put anywhere.
And all the Time Lords were sat neatly in one place, waiting to die? There were NONE left?
No one feels in jeopardy in Who now. They all seem breezy and confident and chirpy.
And yes Angry Man, I would want to see the build up to the break up of the Pond's marriage. I want to experience lives before they go to pot, not just see the 'pot'. I want to sense that things are going to happen, not just see them happen. I like build-up for God's sake.
Weber - in many ways you seem a nice person, but must you always bark and have so much vitriol in you? It's like standing next to a permanent Hulk. And you seem to have so much hate in you for people, i.e. celebs, who only have the amount of impact on your life that *you* allow.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 12:40 pm:   

That was OTT. I'm sorry.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 12:43 pm:   

The daleks, like the fans, are stuck repetitious, too. If time and space travel in DW are a metaphor for imagination, there hasn't been much imagination in the use of that metaphor recently.

The TARDIS itself would be a good companion, taking them places, asking them to do things without explaining why, with its own agenda.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 - 04:32 pm:   

Only catching up with 'Doctor Who' on iPlayer.

'Asylum Of The Daleks' 7/10 - a solid enough opener with great production values but all a bit rushed and frenetic and the humour really jarred for me. Such a major Dalek storyline was deserving of a two-parter and a bit more gravitas in the delivery, imo. Not bad but not great.

Planning to watch 'Dinosaurs On A Spaceship' tonight.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 - 05:04 pm:   

Set your expectations low. Even I'm not prepared to lavish much praise on that episode except to say that the dinosaurs looked good and Mitchell and Webb were laugh out loud funny a couple of times.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 - 05:14 pm:   

And the Doctor's actions near the end seem so far out of character it's a huge negative score IMHO.

Ah well. Next week's is written by Toby Whithouse so I've got high hopes for it.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 - 09:58 pm:   

I actually really enjoyed Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Some great lines, a real sense of fun and an utterly reprehensible villain. I'd also refute that the ending was completely out of character for the Doctor, but I don't want to spoil anything.

I also thought that scene with Rory's dad having his cup of tea and sandwich towards the end was just wonderful.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 - 11:59 pm:   

Imagine a man racking a giant gun and announcing without irony to everyone in the room: "I'm worth two women."

What a dick, right?

Yet our heroine does just this and it's presumably supposed to be admirable. Are women really so feeble-minded and weak that they need this? I don't think so, but Mr. Moffat seems to.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 06:43 pm:   

Ah, but Proto, she was responding to the sexism of that hunting chap. So it was simply a "fight like with like" throw-away comment in my opinion.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 07:16 pm:   

Good point Caroline. And it was Chris Chibnall not Steve Moffatt that wrote the line for her

I would have been willing to write it off as dumb fun for the kids and been a lot more forgiving of the episode if it wasn't for the constant innuendo which came very close to crossing the line into unsuitableness a few times.

Nefertiti was wasted here. If you've got Nefertiti in an episode lets see ancient egypt not corridors on a spaceship. She contributed nothing at all to the episode except for the innappropriate flirting.

The most annoying thing was the Doctor's line about never having a gang before. In the early days he frequently had 3 or 4 travelling companions.

This episode doesn't fill me with hope for episode 4 - also written by Chibnall.

Hopefully Mr Whithouse is going to give us something good tonight though.
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Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 08:00 pm:   

But Caroline, he was just a demonstration that if a man is strong, masculine and unreconstructed he's an arse. Do you think we were supposed to think that Amy was an idiot too? I don't think that was the intention. I'd let it go if it wasn't a continuing bludgeoning theme in the series.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 12:58 am:   

I think tonight's episode put The Doctor's actions last week in a bit more context.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 01:51 am:   

Yeah.

It was pants, though, wasn't it? A collection of cliches from two genres. The most cliched cyborg I've ever seen with the most cliched Western town (the undertaker and the measuring tape? Ugh.)
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 01:54 am:   

I thought it was great fun. And it allowed Matt Smith to shine as the Doc. Loved the comedy moments. Most enjoyable.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 01:58 am:   

I really enjoyed tonights. As caroline said - great fun. A lot darker in tone than the trailers suggested as well.
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Rosswarren (Rosswarren)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 01:54 pm:   

Really enjoyed it too, but I think it once again highlighted that two companions is one too many with Rory having little of note to do.
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 02:03 pm:   

Best of the three so far, but still it feels a bit...inessential. :-(
Fave bits the bits with the horse.
But no mystery or real fear; a rush again.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 05:31 pm:   

Not pants at all :-) Those cliches aren't cliches to the target audience.

My only real nitpick is that the cyborg was wearing New Rock boots, like the Judeen did. It's like seeing an alien wearing Nike trainers to me.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 05:43 pm:   

A lot of the TV science fiction cliches were created by Dr Who - so they've got more right than anyone to use them.
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 12:04 pm:   

Another enjoyable episode. Cyborgs, lasers and crashed spaceships are sci-fi cliches full stop. Just as high noon deadlines and dying Sherrifs are Western cliches. Would the story have been more satisfactory if the deadline was 11:59? The point of all the western cliches was to make the episode fun and it was. 'It's gittin' dark Doctor, cough! cough!' is what he should have said IMHO.
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 01:01 pm:   

Best RED DWARF ever.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 03:42 pm:   

Ah yes of course. Because if you're incredibly short sighted and in the dark, it might just be possible that the cyborg looks a little bit like kryten (even though the size, shape, skin colour and general appearance is entirely different) the entire episode must therefore be a rip off from red dwarf - despite no similarity at all in plotline or characters. I keep forgetting that.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 03:56 pm:   

I loved Red Dwarf too!

In fact, does anyone remember Hyperdrive? It starred Nick Frost and Miranda Hart. It only lasted a couple of series as it wasn't very popular. But I loved it! Humorous SF is brill imho.
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Mick Curtis (Mick)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 06:56 pm:   

Caroline - Hyperdrive was enjoyably daft - I have both series on DVD...
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 08:41 pm:   

Ah yes of course. Because if you're incredibly short sighted and in the dark, it might just be possible that the cyborg looks a little bit like kryten (even though the size, shape, skin colour and general appearance is entirely different) the entire episode must therefore be a rip off from red dwarf - despite no similarity at all in plotline or characters. I keep forgetting that.

Weber - I suspect Proto was referring specifically to this episode of RED DWARF (I can't comment on the similarities as I haven't seen the latest WHO yet): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunmen_of_the_Apocalypse
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 08:46 pm:   

I know exactly which episode he was referring to. I'm a big fan of Red Dwarf. There's still no resemblance between the episodes at all.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 08:50 pm:   

In fact that page has a picture of Kryten in wild west guise and you would need to be completely moronic to think that he looks anything like the gunslinger in the Who episode.
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Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 11:34 pm:   

Hey, there's a new RD series starting, Caroline - did you know that? I'm going out on a limb and say it's going to be surprisingly good.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:19 am:   

Ooh, prickly.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:19 am:   

I had heard they were going to do another - is it a kind of sequel? I'm not so sure about that myself. Things are rarely as good when they try to reinvent them imo.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:21 am:   

Whoops! Me and John posting at the same time. I was responding to Proto's last post.

Anyway, boys, if you guys start fighting again on this thread I'm off to Facebook again ...
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:24 am:   

Sorry, I rather got between you both.

Is that RED DWARF follow-up still happening then? I thought it had died...
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:29 am:   

The last Red Dwarf thing Dave made was shockingly bad. The clips I've seen of the new shows they've made don't inspire me with any confidence. I'll watch the first couple out of interest. If it's any good I'll keep watching. If it's as bad as Back to Reality (or whatever they called it) I'll have to give up on it.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:44 am:   

Yeah, it's happening John. It's been filmed already and coming out in October. Even if it's crap, it'll be fun just the see the original cast back again in a traditional sitcom. I hope there's a studio audience and it's very traditional.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 01:40 pm:   

I hope so too as Red Dwarf was ace. I must get those box sets. I don't recall Hyperdrive at all though.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 12:09 pm:   

Well Chibnall has redeemed himself with that one, after the poor show he made on the dinosaur episode.

A nice quirky, bizarre, slow burning episode with at least one genuine laugh out loud moment (you'll have to excuse me but the birdy song really cracked me up). Some nice character pieces in there and some foreshadowing for a possibly tragic end to the Pond storyline.

The only real downside was the very rushed defeat of the cubes. But the rest of the episode did make up for that.
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Des (Des)
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 12:32 pm:   

Seanmcd said on 18 Sep: "I must get those box sets."
====================

He got his wish yesetrday.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 08:33 pm:   

Also, Stephen Berkoff was possibly the creepiest Who villain I've ever seen.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 09:04 pm:   

Decent episode. I particularly enjoyed the Wyndham-esque set-up.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 09:06 pm:   

And the one who played the Brig's daughter was excellent. Have you noticed, they can change actors playing the Doctor and it still works. But no matter how hard they tried, they never managed to top the Brig (as played by the late, great Nick Courtney, of course). I think they might have managed to almost equal him here.

Did I see somewhere that Kate Stewart, the Brig's daughter, was a character in the DW spin-off, "Downtime"?
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Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 10:28 pm:   

It would appear so, Caroline:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtime_(Doctor_Who)

I've not seen 'Downtime' nor, to be honest, even heard of it.

You'll need to highlight the complete URL and do a copy'n'paste for the link to work, by the way.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 12:24 am:   

Mick - Reeltime, the producers of "Downtime", were, I think, the first folk to create DW spin-offs - minus the Doctor because the Beeb wouldn't have approved of that. But they're mostly known for their "Myth-maker" video interviews.

I've never seen "Downtime" either. The videos are very difficult to get hold of nowadays, and cost quite a bit if you can find one on eBay. They've never been released to DVD.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 07:32 pm:   

Caught up with all four episodes so far and it's turning into an ominously weak series with far too much emphasis on silly peurile humour, inane mugging and ridiculously rushed storylines full of gaping plot holes and maddening illogicalities while there is now zero sense of threat or indeed any evidence of fear shown by any of the characters. Those elements were always there to a certain extent in the new incarnation but were balanced with at least some gravitas and emotional clout.

How I'd score them so far:

Asylum Of The Daleks - 7/10 - solid but unremarkable entertainment with a promising storyline hamstrung by lack of running time and jarring attempts at humour.

Dinosaurs On A Spaceship - 4/10 - bloody atrocious infantile tosh that made no sense whatsoever and is quite possibly the weakest episode of the new incarnation yet.

A Town Called Mercy - 8/10 - much, much better episode with a strong premise but marred by western cliché overkill and yet more forced and painfully unfunny humour.

The Power Of Three - 5/10 - a half decent Wyndhamesque plot is ruined again by crass humour, gaping plot holes and a ridiculously frenzied pace that resulted in an ending that made no logical sense at all. Very poor.

I fear the show is sliding into juvenile lowest common denominator nonsense and that I'm beginning to go off Matt Smith in the role. Shame.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 12:10 am:   

The Angels were soooo creepy. Loved it.

SPOILER

not sure if the big one in the episode is ever not watched enough that it could move... but a great image anyway.

Anyone notice the change of costume for the Doc in the teaser for christmas?
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 08:37 pm:   

SPOILERY SPOILERS

This is the first episode of this series I've been a bit disappointed in, actually. It felt like a calculated emotional send-off just for the sake of it rather than the end of an important character arc.

I also just can't believe the Doctor couldn't work out a way to rescue/see them again, especially when River could go visiting. The writing and story don't really hold up to examination, something I'm happy to ignore in the dumb fun space adventure episodes, but not so much in one as important as this.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2012 - 11:49 pm:   

Spoilery spolier spoilers.

There was the "creating a fixed point in time" line before Amy said farewell... I think that's all the explanation we get on that score. Plus he could no longer go back to 1938 because of the time distortions etc.

But what did you think of the main meat of the episode? The angel cherubs in the basement were brilliantly creepy. I do think the big one should never have been able to move - because surely people are always looking at it from somewhere - but that's my only gripe about the episode.
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More spoilers

He could have gone to 1939 though :-)

Mostly I enjoyed it, I just didn't like it as a final episode for the Ponds. Did it seem to you like the Angels in the apartment building were always herding people up to the roof so the big one could get them? That could have done with a bit more explanation, if that one was a more powerful Angel or something. Yeah, the idea that it could stomp across New York and back regularly without being seen was absurd. And they must have had human agents to set that all up and maintain it, which would have been interesting to see. It really could have done with being a two-parter I think, to flesh everything out a bit more thoroughly.
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 02:06 pm:   

"It really could have done with being a two-parter I think, to flesh everything out a bit more thoroughly."

That's the main problem with the new who right there imo. Most 2 part stories have been excellent as far as i recall whilst single eps leave me wanting more of everything.
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 02:10 pm:   

"It really could have done with being a two-parter I think, to flesh everything out a bit more thoroughly."

That's the main problem with the new who right there imo. Most 2 part stories have been excellent as far as i recall whilst most single eps leave me wanting more of everything.
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John Forth (John)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 07:23 pm:   

... including comments, evidently. :-P
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 10:40 pm:   

Oops!
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 01:17 pm:   

Perhaps now that the Pond era has ended and we've established the Doctor is no longer infamous throughout the universe we might see a bit of a change of pace in the next batch of episodes.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 07:42 pm:   

I thought the final episode of 'Doctor Who' was superb - almost making up for the rest of the series being so below par. Presented with real gravitas and the inane mugging held in check, brilliantly written and directed and, for once this time round, genuinely scary again.

Here's my final ranking of the first half of this run:

Asylum Of The Daleks - 7/10

Dinosaurs On A Spaceship - 4/10

A Town Called Mercy - 8/10

The Power Of Three - 5/10

The Angels Take Manhattan - 10/10

So that's 34 out of a possible 50 = 68% overall imo. Not great at all but buoyed by that cracking ending. Here's hoping they can build on this...
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 06:58 pm:   

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2012/oct/12/doctor-who-amy -rory-alternative-ending
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 12:32 pm:   

I'm glad they're gone.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 02:16 pm:   

My goodness! That does suprise me. The love you demonstrated for the characters seemed unsurpassed in the world of Who fandom.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 01:20 pm:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRQu3MvRySA&feature=youtu.be

Coming back March 30th!!!!
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Seanmcd (Seanmcd)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 09:03 pm:   

Ice Warriors! Old style Cybermen! I'm really looking forward to this series. With the 50th Anniversary this year I hope there are plenty of nods to golden age Who scattered throughout. I'm getting a definite feeling the Anniversary special in November will feature several Doctors. Who's still available ?
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 10:29 pm:   

The 3 most recent and possibly peter davison and the magann brother. The others look too old or are dead.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 - 11:16 am:   

Sylvester McCoy was very good in 'The Hobbit', Weber!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 07:46 pm:   

Just found out that neil gaiman has written another episode for the new series. Can't wait. And there's a new writer's name Neil Cross and I'm wondering if it's the crime writer neil cross who wrote Luther and a few really good highsmith-esque thrillers.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 08:25 pm:   

"I am The Doctor and I'm afraid."

About effing time!

This looking promising and could be good if they keep the same tone as the Christmas 2012 ep and dial back the smugness.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 10:10 pm:   

I agree, Proto. The first half of the series was poor apart from the great finale but the Christmas special really was excellent entertainment! Fingers crossed.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 10:25 pm:   

Weber, yup, it's that Neil Cross. Apparently he also scripted Mama and the most recent Oh Whistle and I'll Come to You adaptation too.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Friday, March 29, 2013 - 11:57 pm:   

And he was the creator of spooks. With writing credentials like that, i'm really looking forward to his episodes.
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 11:53 am:   

...and no comments on the new episode yet? Everyone scared to come out of the woodwork? I rather enjoyed it but the new companion needs to nail her accent down - a few glottal stops plus a couple of "oop north"s within the posh accent made her sound odd at times.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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It was even more preposterous than usual, unfortunately. The Wifi plot felt like a late Russell T. Davies story, and that's not a good thing. (When will they stop trying so hard to make people typing on keyboards exciting?)

They broke a rule that the old series held to in order to reassure children: they would never show an evil version of The Doctor. It always left young children with at least one safe person in the scary world. I'm not sure I approve of removing that from them.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 12:56 pm:   

I enjoyed it but again felt the implications of the story were too big to be dealt with satisfactorily in such a small space of time. At least the big baddie is still out there. Very much on the plus side, though, is the new companion, Clara, who is the most gorgeous since Peri (sigh) and very likeable with it. A solid rather than inspired opener that I'd give a fairly entertaining 7/10. There was a new sheen of greater professionalism about the production values, that I also noted in the Christmas special, that hopefully bodes well and they did largely manage to keep the inane mugging at bay, thank God!
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 01:31 pm:   

Well i thought it was great fun. Preposterous is not really a fair criticism of a show about a 1000 year old man who flies round the universe fighting monsters. Even the fake doctor turned good fairly quickly. I hope the rest of the series is up to this standard. Two episodes by Neil Cross and a cyberman episode by Neil Gaiman is a really promising sign.
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 04:54 pm:   

I think they well and truly broke that "evil Doctor" rule back when the Sixth Doctor tried to strangle Peri. That was considerably more disturbing than a reprogrammed robot.
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 06:55 pm:   

Oh, that sounds nasty. I think it was Hinchcliffe/Holmes/Tom Baker who invented that rule. I think it's a good one.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 08:33 pm:   

David beat me too it with the comment about Colin Baker's Doctor in The Twin Dilemma. And what about Tom Baker in .. er, was it Meglos, or was that the name of the planet? The one where he looks like a cactus anyway. Then there was Toby Jones' evil Doctor in the David Tennant story the name of which escapes me. No, there are plenty of "evil Doctor" stories around.

I quite enjoyed last night's story as far as "Nu Who" stories go, but it did go way to fast to make anything really interesting out of it. The premise was good, but it was spoiled in the execution. But good fun nevertheless. I do love Matt Smith's Doctor, and Clara is interesting and not as annoying as most recent companions have been.

And, like Weber, I can't wait for the Neil Gaiman story ...
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 - 08:34 pm:   

Argh!! Stupid typo alert in the above post. Wish we had an edit button.
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 01:44 am:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnodQTzi700

If I had to dress like that I'd want to strangle someone too.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:22 am:   

I'd forgotten the cactus version of Tom Baker. That was a great scary image. Ate joke about a prickly character.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 03:47 pm:   

I always found Tom Baker to be the most sinister incarnation of the Doctor. There was something truly alien and inscrutable about him. Matt Smith started his run with the same quality but it was frittered away by too many comedic episodes, IMO.
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Stevie Walsh (Stephenw)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 03:49 pm:   

They're now trying to give him back some gravitas and an air of tragedy I'm glad to see. Here's hoping...
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Protodroid (Protodroid)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:55 pm:   

No, the cactus Doc and Toby Jones Doc weren't doubles. They were immediately distinguishable as no being the real Doctor.

I'm not sure if it's apocryphal, but the story goes that a boy ran up to his mother and hugged her, only to receive no emotional response back. He'd gotten her mixed up with his mother's twin sister. The boy was Jack Finney, author of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

That's very emotionally destabilizing for a child.
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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Posted on Monday, April 01, 2013 - 11:58 pm:   

If that's true then his aunty was a right bitch. I know if my twin brother's kids hug me they get as much of a reaction as they get off their dad.
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 09:01 pm:   

Anyone else getting excited about the announcement that the zygons will be back for the 50th anniversary story?
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David_lees (David_lees)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 10:16 pm:   

Nah. I say let zygons be bygones.

*jazzhands*
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Carolinec (Carolinec)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 01:08 am:   

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Weber (Weber_gregston)
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Registered: 03-2008
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Posted on Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 02:37 am:   

And I get told my jokes are bad...
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Tony (Tony)
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 04:28 pm:   

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a470003/doctor-who-50th-specia l-to-feature-classic-monsters-the-zygons.html

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