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     Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.152.134 |
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| Hubert (Hubert) Username: Hubert Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.22.231.91 |
Are you free, Mr Curtis? | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.3.149 |
But that's graffiti... the rotten little f*cker broke the goddamned law!...  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
What are the alternatives to these things? I hate graffitti. Just because it's on a wall doesn't make it wise. Not that I entirely disagree with all of that, you understand. | ||
| Adriana (Adriana) Username: Adriana Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.230.239.233 |
I don't mind too much. Put I'd prefer one of the old surreal slogans: “Be realistic, demand the impossible.” | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Actually - I identified with that at just the right moment, not the follow the fashion bit. My nine year old was assaulted today by two girls in the school playground. They took her trousers and panties down infront of all the older boys and humiliated her. When she had stopped shaking and was a brave girl I came down to school and humiliated the perpetrator's mother infront of everyone when school came out. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
"Don't go to work, don't send your kids to school, act abnormal, follow fashion (but not very quickly), walk on the pavements (and make sure nobody else does), watch TV, save for your old age (by mugging pensioners), obey the law...like fuck. Repeat after me: I am a chav." Sorry, had to get here before Zed did.  | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.152.134 |
In fairness, this is a photo from our house - Debbie sprayed it on our living room wall... | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.152.134 |
I would in all seriousness echo Craig and Tony's view - in the main I HATE graffiti - sometimes there's skill and/or humour, but I don't like it; it can make surroundings feel very run down. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
It seems to just get out of hand. The whole, I want to express myself bit with graffiti is born out of frustration. Part of me wants to respond to it by giving someone a pen and pad. The whole dumbing down of society is pissing me off again tonight. I'm for giving everyone a second chance but sometimes people just turn again and again and I really get pissed off. In school, be popular - be a celebrity - be a little spoilt shit. I've just read Moomintroll to Heather and at least she has gone to bed feeling better because I fought back and I feel better too. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
Fantastic, Ally. Well done. God, but kids are shits these days. As an aside i've just realised my kids like me reading to them at night not because they like the stories but because they like me there reading. I heard about this thing called the rythm of the night - nothing to do with Lionel Ritchie - where once storytellers would um, tell stories to folk at dusk to usher in nightfall, a different frame of mind. It shows when we read to our kids or maybe even watch tv, see a story, to some extent. We have a friend whose kid can be so mean. He's homophobic, makes derogatory remarks about people with special needs, uses the word 'retard' and is really rude to people. He also plays around with the idea of cruelty to animals. He has nice aspects but these bad ones stay in my mind and make me avoid him; I hope every time we meet him that my kids general goodness will rub off on him. I mention him because when he heard I read the kids stories he laughed. | ||
| Ramsey Campbell (Ramsey) Username: Ramsey Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 195.93.21.74 |
Ally, what did the school do about this? | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
The chav mantra: Claim benefits, watch your feral kids become arrogant idiots, wear ill-fitting and inexpensive sports casuals, act anti-social, block the pavements, pinch TVs, spend the tax payers money on cheap booze, fags and solvents, laugh at the law, laugh at honest people, laugh at society, die even more stupid than you were when your promiscuous mother pushed you out of her semen-stinking snatch in a council estate alleyway. Ahem. | ||
| Mick Curtis (Mick) Username: Mick Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 86.159.152.134 |
...and he's back! You missed the bit about "have a baby at seventeen so you can get your very own council flat"! | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Hi Ramsey - it all happened late in the afternoon - Heather's teacher rang me to say that she and another teacher had never seen it happen in a junior school in the market town before. I said I'd see the head in the morning - I was going to see her this afternoon but she was busy reading the riot act to the child's mother. The child that did it is used to getting her own way, induged by parents who have more money than sense and seem timid/can't explain why/ afraid to upset their own daughter. The child looked mildly upset because she was going to get grounded not because she had upset a fellow human being. If something isn't sorted it will just lead on to other things. Heather was bullied by this girl last year but everything seemed to be swept under the carpet and I thought that to bring attention to it then would be worse for Heather. That decision was right last year but to bring it out into the open this year was right too. With the knowledge that I had done something and faced the parent, Heather felt empowered. Poor mite - she has lost her grandmothers recently, and her only auntie this year and yet she still holds her head up high and faces each morning with renewed delight in the day. She is going to be one of life's survivors. Tony - that struck a chord and a good one 'storytellers would um, tell stories to folk at dusk to usher in nightfall, a different frame of mind.' | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.110.188.2 |
"Go to Eton, beat up, humiliate and sodomise the younger kids, tell them it's teaching them discipline, go on to be an Army officer, supervise the beating, humilitation and sodomising of the young recruits, tell them it's making men of them, laugh at the politically correct losers who whinge when a few of said recruits top themselves, go to war and bomb thousands of civilians to shreds, collect a knighthood, run a few companies, take over a public utility, put thousands of people out of work, pocket a massive bonus, become a Lord, be driven down the streets of London in a limousine, look out the window and sneer at the vermin workers who have no idea what it means to serve Queen and country." Ally, sorry to hear about the bullying of your daughter. Sounds like Heather has a strong perspective – fighting back (in a civilised way) is the only way to unmask the paper tigers of power and domination... and to show rich brats of all ages that their priviliges do not make them innately superior. Lay off the chavs, lads, and start fighting the yuppies. Because you just know that they despise you like you were a slug on their Porsche. They can't wait to take away your job and your home. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
To them we are chavs. I've seen it. But Joel - they make it so easy!  | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
My wife would agree with you, btw. Me, I've only encountered the wall of chavs thus far but am just starting to look beyond them... | ||
| Adriana (Adriana) Username: Adriana Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 99.230.239.233 |
Seriously, Ally, that's awful. I'm relieved to hear your little one is feeling better though. In the meantime, D and I just took a 3 months pregnant (currently homeless) girl we met in the park out to get a meal. D then gave her bus fare to go back to her mom's who has asked her to come home... We're fully aware that there's a chance she'll use the money for drugs, but she was very sweet, and extremely grateful, didn't seem high, and we just want to hope for the best. It's sad though, to think that anything could be happening now that we left her. It would be great to think that she actually WILL get on that bus, though. Sigh. And if not. Whatever. It's a gamble I can live with... | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 67.116.103.241 |
My original post was intended as a joke, more than anything.... btw: Did you know "graffiti" is plural? "Graffito" is singular. Me, I didn't. Huh... go figure.  It's always the children, Ally. I'm glad you yelled at the brat's mum. Small victories in the world, just hearing about them, even in these rotten situations, make some kind of difference.... | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Thanks everyone! Heather is fine/strong this morning and I read your comments out to her (except for Zed's - would take a little time to explain and we were eating breakfast:>) She liked the bit about the paper tiger's Joel. Facing your fear does seem to render it down. I hope the other girl feels some sort of shame or she'll just do something else. Going to see the headmistress this morning. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.96.242.126 |
Yeah, well done Ally. I admire your restraint. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 78.152.219.215 |
Graffitti doesn't have to be ugly or anti-social. Banksy, for example, is surely an artist contributing to social cohesion and well-being. What we should be objecting to is a lack of imagination and/or talent in graffitti. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
Lord, I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties Ally. Kids can be almost uniquely wicked. I was bullied at school and don't think I've ever been as scared since as I was in those days. It's great you stood up to the girl's mother and I hope the school take an active anti-bully stance. I was fortunate in that my old secondary school put the absolute fear of God into bullies once they were caught. I remember my Tech teacher bawling out a couple of my bullies in front of the whole class telling them that what they had done was "wicked and low". Mind you, say that these days and all the kids will probably say: "Respect!" On the subject of graffiti (or 'o' if you prefer), where I used to live in Reading the local children decorated the underpass in a tasteful and multi-cultural mural. It was up half a day before the local youths were drawing cocks on it and spray painting 'cunt' in massive letters. I hate Reading, never has a place felt to me that it's degenerating more and more every time I go. There's a real sense of hopelessness to that town and I type as someone who grey up in a mining town in the 80s in Mansfield, very shortly after they closed the pit. Even there there wasn't the atmosphere of despair, heartlessness and selfishness that there is in Reading. Right, quick, think of something happy! And no Zed, beating chavs does not count. (; | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
I would be more than glad for the writer of that narcsissitic graffiti to walk in the roads rather than the pavement. Other things that he sees as imprisonment I would gladly see him eschew? Going to a doctor when he is sick. Receiving sickness benefits when he is unable to work. Asking for the protection of the police and the army. Buying food from shops. Watching television and breathing. As for following fashion. I guarantee the ex art student is wearing the lastest crusty ensemble down to embarrassing white man dreadlocks and the required amount of "i'm one of you" piercings. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Thanks everyone! Spent an hour with the head this morning. The girl just gets seclusion for an hour tomorrow which is detention, it goes down in the incident book...I asked that the child should be sent home for 2 days as a clear message but didn't get very far. The whole of Penistone knows about it now though. Heather held her head up high this morning and she felt empowered that it wasn't ignored. I wish I had made some time to speak with you at the con Jonathan - it all seemed to be over so quickly. | ||
| Jonathan (Jonathan) Username: Jonathan Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 91.143.178.131 |
While we're talking of such things. Here's Brooker on Banksy http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/sep/22/arts.visualarts | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
HAHAH. I've always hated Wanksy. He serves no purpose. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 147.252.230.154 |
Reducio ad absurdum. A feeble form of argument. In order to criticise an element of society we must leave it completely? Eh?! | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
That's right, PD. That's exactly what Banksy does. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
I'm with Albie regarding Banksy (and grafitti in general). Would the middle-class trendies who've proclaimed him as a genius like him to draw John Travolta's day-glo face on the side of their house? Thought not. It all boils down to the fact that grafitti art is basically crap - I'd rather see kids doing murals, like the one Jon mentions above. >>In order to criticise an element of society we must leave it completely? Eh?!<< That's a fair point. However, if one is to criticise elements of society one shouldn't then go home and partake of the things afforded by those elements. The above grafitti smacks to me of hypocricy. Unless it's a joke, like Citizen Smith. :-) | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
Banksy's art on the Israeli built wall around Jerusalem is a highlight of his biased media hunger. "Oh, oh, look at this nasty wall. Let's pull it down. Oh, oh." Never mind that it prevents terrorist bombings. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
It's gimmicky crusty-pleasing half opinions dressed as art and anarchy. Oh my god, anarchy? if they had it they would hate it. I'd make sure of it. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
And so on. | ||
| Stu (Stu) Username: Stu Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 86.29.99.99 |
Jonathan, glad you're feeling a bit more chipper. Ally, glad Heather is doing okay. One hour's detention seems a bit feeble though, especially if the bully has form. Still, if the whole town already knows about it maybe the girl's parents will actually get their fingers out and start being stricter with her. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
Put it about that the bully is a lesbian. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
"Never mind that it prevents terrorist bombings." The 'security' wall's main function is the theft of fertile land: it cuts off many Palestinian communities from their own farms and livelihood, achieving a de facto settlement of that land without any negotiation. It's a crime under international law. Even the UN has repeatedly called for the wall to be pulled down. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
So who is more biased? He who promotes theft or he who promotes death? | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
Cue another pointless political discussion a la the IMF. | ||
| Joel (Joel) Username: Joel Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 217.37.199.45 |
I've written and deleted three responses to that posting. There is just no point. | ||
| Gary Fry (Gary_fry) Username: Gary_fry Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 82.3.65.135 |
>>>However, if one is to criticise elements of society one shouldn't then go home and partake of the things afforded by those elements. What, so if, for example, you're a carer and receiving the present pitiful carers' allowance, you're not allowed to sign a petition to improve carers' allowance? | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
>>There is just no point. I know. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
HAHA! I've destroyed the notion of discussion! Next: leaving the house. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Thanks Stu! Naff punishment - agreed, and the head never used the word punishment until the end. Not politically correct it seems. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.104.53 |
Don't know about the being stricter bit though Stu - just found out that the girl told her friend she hasn't got grounded - no pocket money stopped,nothing. I go to Hong Kong tomorrow for 10 days to visit relatives. Heather's dad will just have to keep a close eye on the situation. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
I seriously would like to see the cane come back, something like that. Being bad should be something to think twice about. Ally; get kicking in with anti bullying at your school. I dunno how, but this sort of behaviour needs squashing. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
Someone told me that at their kids school they don't ring a bell when lunchtime is over because it's too repressive. If I had my way, I'd release a red-eyed scarecrow into the playground to chase them in. I'm not crazy about Banksy, but at least he's got some skill. What about: http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2008/09/15/pedestrian-street-art-by-peter-gibso n/ http://www.whokilledbambi.co.uk/?p=1316 Even the corporations have a go: http://scottrope.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/3mmoneygla ss1.jpg Could be good for students sharing accommodation, this. You could do the same with books by using A NEW STAR TREK NOVEL! instead of mold: http://www.skforlee.com/independent_work/lunch_bag.html | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
If we can't trust parents to bring their kids up -and we can't- then lets scare them into line. The only other option is implanting robot brains. And that's years away yet, according to the schedule in my monthly Bond Villain newsletter. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
I would rather see art work than some chavvie glue addled idea of writing. But if we can't have art then let's have the hanging twitching corpses of people who indulge in Free Love. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
I was thinking about banksie today, and how he's preaching, and I resist preaching, even if I agree with it. I would find images of beauty and skill graffittied here and here more, and get more of a message from the purity of that sort of image. Also I was thinking how dated his look is now, how it's all over the place and become bland. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
Preaching is exactly it. I didn't ask for his opinion. He and his ilk would say" well, you don't ask to have adverts shoved down your throat, do you." The I would say "I can ignore them. What I can't ignore is your badly thought out biased crusty-pleasing opinions." Then he would get in his big car and take cocaine and wonder why he hates the world. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
At least kit kat ads aren't clagged on my garage door of a morning. Maybe graffiters could rent billboards and paint on them? But then, some of their art is crap. Maybe a graffitti college would be some use. Sos, Proto! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
I want graffitti folk to make more of a statement by doing little patches of tidying up. Now that would be a statement. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
They have middle class chavs for that. The same guys who hang around in town with clipboards. They plant flowers in areas of soil. Free loving freaks! | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
That's it - we subtley utilize the media and Heat magazine to persuade the chavs that tidying up is COOL. Don't press it, or they'll click on. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
Like this? http://www.dirtycarart.com/gallery/ I'm not defending Banksy that much -- I dislike the preaching too. I'm just defending the idea that graffitti can be valid and good for society. A genuine voice of the village. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/10/dirty-trick-cau.html What about this? http://designyoutrust.com/2008/07/03/where-photography-meets-illustration/ I like Miss Peace the best. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
I see what you mean. I probably agree - it's just, I dunno - they need to rethink it, or let other folk from different spheres do it. | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
Valid? Good? but where are the years of endless discussions that back up these notions? Meanwhile Free Love goes on right now in seventies style houses and we do nothing! | ||
| Albie (Albie) Username: Albie Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 77.86.114.169 |
And why does it HAVE to be on a wall? Because nobody would give it a second glance if it were on canavs? | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
It's like criticising film when the only one to have a go so far was Michael Winner. Separate the medium from the artist. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
And why does it HAVE to be on a wall? Obviously context plays a part. | ||
| Tony (Tony) Username: Tony Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.129.151.199 |
For no other reason than it might make you guys laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T13J-A1ATQ | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
Great stuff! Somewhere in the BBC there's a Radiers-like warehouse storing all the reaction shots of those guys. | ||
| Protodroid (Protodroid) Username: Protodroid Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 160.6.1.47 |
Did you see the guy on American Inventor trying to sell the Walk Buddy(TM)? It was a stick. | ||
| Craig (Craig) Username: Craig Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 75.5.13.127 |
I've just spray-painted this on my wall: WHET PAIN | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.14.192 |
Ally, sorry to hear about what happened to Heather. it wouldn't have been overkill to phone the police about the incident, you know. Had it been a boy who'd attacked her, you can bet in some parts of the country the cops would've been called wihtout a second thought. And they would have turned up: they get points easier on their arrest tally. As for the graffito, the spirit if John Inman should always be raised whenever possible. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.10.144 |
As usual the school is playing it down and in assembly, in a few weeks, there will just be a little 'talk.' As usual no justice for the victim and just in the incident book. No punishment for the child by school/parents. Everyone knows though. The best way I can help Heather is to make everyone aware of the incident. | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
Or kill the offending kid. And its parents. And their pets. And anyone whose ever smiled at them. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.14.192 |
Zed's currently taking his initiation exams for the Samaritans course. The Samaritans kick back. Give them a call, maybe you can hire the S-Team. | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.14.192 |
Actually, Ally. In all seriousness, call the police. The school's punishment is riddiculous. At the very least it will mean the other kid and her parent(s) come to the cops' attention and also gives the ineffectual head a kick up the arse (the head, I predict, will shortly be on sick leave after you do such a thing). | ||
| Mark_lynch (Mark_lynch) Username: Mark_lynch Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 88.111.14.192 |
Zed's post-apocalypse novel is clearly autobiographical: it's set after he's gone out to kill anyone who commits a crime.  | ||
| Zed (Gary_mc) Username: Gary_mc Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 213.219.8.243 |
:-) Mark's right, though - call the police. It's assault. Probably even sexual assault. | ||
| Weber_gregston (Weber_gregston) Username: Weber_gregston Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 83.98.9.4 |
I third that motion. Call the police, get the little cow who attacked your daughter and humiliated her properly scared of consequences. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.10.144 |
I get on a plane to Hong Kong in a few hours but rest assured one of my friends lives with the local policeman (it is the tiniest of market towns and about 3/4 policemen take shifts around the farmland etc). Although not officially reported he knows. I agree - it is assault. | ||
| Allybird (Allybird) Username: Allybird Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 79.70.10.144 |
In this tiny market town (more like a village) reputation is everything. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
There's an interesting story about local supermarket owner who caught a kid scrawling on his wall with a can of paint, and said instead of calling the police he'd pay the kid and his friends to do some real artwork. Two months later there was fantastic wrap-around mural of a futuristic city (subject matter unimportant), which has over the years attracted several dozen photographers. Just goes to show not all one-sided, either side I mean. And Joel - the yuppies and the middle-class chavs...FIGHT THEM ALL. | ||
| Frank (Frank) Username: Frank Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 79.187.206.46 |
My little ancedote happened in Poland, not Britain alas. |